Buffalo Bills Week 15: Buffalo (10-3) at Detroit (12-1), 12/15, 4:25 PM, CBS

[ValJamesDuex]

 

[K8fool]

Some thoughts waking up today.

I worry we have a generational Superman QB that will be wasted.

Milano, I hope he can continue to get better but zero D snaps for WIlliams two weeks in a row is a worry as well (I know he is not perfect either). Milano has not fixed the run D and Carter's return did not help either.

The Bill's should have a Game Management Quality Specialist/Assistant on staff. Andy Reed went through some of the same types of issues.

The Bills were not prepared for the WR jet sweep game and took until later in the game to finally adjust (and still did not work on final Rams touchdown). I seen Rousseau and AJ get pushed around a lot on engaged blocks.

No sacks, no turnovers, 3 qb hits, Rams 3rd downs (11-15)

The two Pats games will not be a pushover

Injuries:
Rasul Douglas being banged up (back and knee) is a worry. Ingram is the backup.
Toohill (Ribs)
Rapp (Shoulder) returned

I think it's milano rust and the clinching issue not getting injured I played amazing to make up for it w Kincaid and Coleman OUT



someone tell me it looks like 9 out on punts wtf a protest about rigged game , the D quit on last td after blatant false start and kupp? holding 46 to puke a

I thought Miller keeps getting better we'll need milano and him to take risks if they get up to speed in a month they tried everything against a good qb to see what we have as Rams played life or death playoff game

people should be thrilled they had not cheat and steal this game from us even mcvay knew he was overmatched 2nd half

 

[buffa dud]

1. People complaining about penalties yesterday are grating. The offsetting penalties after Damar was CLEARLY holding onto the receiver was a gift of a call, if I've ever seen one. The misses went both ways. Move on. This was not a Mahomesian upset.

2. Speaking of Damar... I'm not sure if confirmation bias is setting in, but to me it seemed like he was consistently a liability. Cam Lewis came in for a minute, and stood out in a positive way; when your starting safety makes Cam Lewis look good, that's a problem.

3. I'm not going to complain too much about playcalling, because I would get buried in a head to head with even the most inept NFL playcaller. But I will say that not running a play before the two minute mark was a miss, IMO. That's a free timeout that was left on the table. I understand wanting to get the right play in. In that situation, though, take the free yards. Even if it's a half-assed pass attempt to nowhere, there's always the possibility of a PI or holding.

4. Bass hasn't been perfect since the Dolphins game, but he seems to be more himself. I had to look it up just to see that he's only missed one XPA and one FG since the 61-yarder. Like I said: not perfect, but better; I can live with better.

5. Special teams have been underwhelming for a while, now. It only gets worse when you watch a team like Pittsburgh consistently kill it. Things need to change this offseason.

6. It's taken a while to get to this point, but the defense did not disappoint. Stafford, Nakua and Rush just played out of their minds. Some of those passes, and receptions were unguardable. So, I can't fault our guys. Especially when you have Douglas, Benford and Johnson in the secondary, who have a history of reliability. The bigger issue, to me, was the performance of special teams.

7. If there is one thing that I take issue with on the defensive side of things, it's the play of the line. There is not one player who can consistently make it hard on an opposing quarterback, given a four man rush. Pressure has to come from a linebacker, or a cornerback blitzing, and that just leaves the backend exposed. Here's hoping Carter and Solomon change that.

8. Said it before, and I'll say it again: Rapp is a heat-seeking missile out there. Just totally incapable of differentiating between teammates and opponents. I didn't want him back, because I was worried he was going to take out one of our guys and in typical fashion he does just that.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

@Der Jaeger isn't going to like this...DT Dontay Corleone staying in school for another season.

 

[Der Jaeger]

@Der Jaeger isn't going to like this...DT Dontay Corleone staying in school for another season.

No he’s not. Calling him tomorrow

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Seth Apperts Power Play, 1 shot in game

 

[misterchainsaw]

1. People complaining about penalties yesterday are grating. The offsetting penalties after Damar was CLEARLY holding onto the receiver was a gift of a call, if I've ever seen one. The misses went both ways. Move on. This was not a Mahomesian upset.

2. Speaking of Damar... I'm not sure if confirmation bias is setting in, but to me it seemed like he was consistently a liability. Cam Lewis came in for a minute, and stood out in a positive way; when your starting safety makes Cam Lewis look good, that's a problem.

3. I'm not going to complain too much about playcalling, because I would get buried in a head to head with even the most inept NFL playcaller. But I will say that not running a play before the two minute mark was a miss, IMO. That's a free timeout that was left on the table. I understand wanting to get the right play in. In that situation, though, take the free yards. Even if it's a half-assed pass attempt to nowhere, there's always the possibility of a PI or holding.

4. Bass hasn't been perfect since the Dolphins game, but he seems to be more himself. I had to look it up just to see that he's only missed one XPA and one FG since the 61-yarder. Like I said: not perfect, but better; I can live with better.

5. Special teams have been underwhelming for a while, now. It only gets worse when you watch a team like Pittsburgh consistently kill it. Things need to change this offseason.

6. It's taken a while to get to this point, but the defense did not disappoint. Stafford, Nakua and Rush just played out of their minds. Some of those passes, and receptions were unguardable. So, I can't fault our guys. Especially when you have Douglas, Benford and Johnson in the secondary, who have a history of reliability. The bigger issue, to me, was the performance of special teams.

7. If there is one thing that I take issue with on the defensive side of things, it's the play of the line. There is not one player who can consistently make it hard on an opposing quarterback, given a four man rush. Pressure has to come from a linebacker, or a cornerback blitzing, and that just leaves the backend exposed. Here's hoping Carter and Solomon change that.

8. Said it before, and I'll say it again: Rapp is a heat-seeking missile out there. Just totally incapable of differentiating between teammates and opponents. I didn't want him back, because I was worried he was going to take out one of our guys and in typical fashion he does just that.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with (3). The Rams had the ball at the 2 minute warning. Further, the only time the Bills had a running clock on their final possession was the ill- advised qb sneak.

If you're taking about the first half i wholeheartedly disagree - time pressure was not why the Bills didn't score. In fact, the fact that the Rams ran out the rest of the clock with a 1st down run shows the Bills did the right thing not running another play - more time would have just given the Rams more incentive to try to score again which they pretty much did at will in the 1st half.

 

[Tsujimoto]

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@Der Jaeger isn't going to like this...DT Dontay Corleone staying in school for another season.

He's going to wake up with a broken plastic folding table in his bed.

 

[Uberpecker]

Some thoughts waking up today.

I worry we have a generational Superman QB that will be wasted.

Milano, I hope he can continue to get better but zero D snaps for WIlliams two weeks in a row is a worry as well (I know he is not perfect either). Milano has not fixed the run D and Carter's return did not help either.

The Bill's should have a Game Management Quality Specialist/Assistant on staff. Andy Reed went through some of the same types of issues.

The Bills were not prepared for the WR jet sweep game and took until later in the game to finally adjust (and still did not work on final Rams touchdown). I seen Rousseau and AJ get pushed around a lot on engaged blocks.

No sacks, no turnovers, 3 qb hits, Rams 3rd downs (11-15)

The two Pats games will not be a pushover

Injuries:
Rasul Douglas being banged up (back and knee) is a worry. Ingram is the backup.
Toohill (Ribs)
Rapp (Shoulder) returned

You worry because it's what's happening. It's now at least the second time he's had a monumental game for the history books, yet the team still loses due to very preventable mistakes.

 

[misterchainsaw]

You worry because it's what's happening. It's now at least the second time he's had a monumental game for the history books, yet the team still loses due to very preventable mistakes.

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

The Bills chances of winning were still extremely low, even if timeouts were utilized perfectly, they didn't accept the holding penalty on the Rams, and if they didn't call a sneak on 1st and goal.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

H
He's going to wake up with a broken plastic folding table in his bed.

I mean it's the greatest Godfather related post I might of ever seen here

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Dirty Dog]

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

The Bills chances of winning were still extremely low, even if timeouts were utilized perfectly, they didn't accept the holding penalty on the Rams, and if they didn't call a sneak on 1st and goal.

Yup, the team lost because of the defense. Full stop. Yea, there was a complete bungling of the timeout situation, but the defense was horrible and why the team lost.

And the standard people are holding the bills to is getting ridiculous and honestly getting tough to even read. Like wow, we lost a regular season game our QB played great in and we are wasting his talent. We lost a close regular season game which means it’s another time this team came up short in the big moment. We haven’t won a Super Bowl in the four or five years this team has had the potential to so which means they will never get it done under these coaches.

Between the Sabres being awful and the bills fans being incredibly difficult to be around, I think it’s time to take a gooooood long break from this forum

 

[Dubi Doo]

Yup, the team lost because of the defense. Full stop. Yea, there was a complete bungling of the timeout situation, but the defense was horrible and why the team lost.

And the standard people are holding the bills to is getting ridiculous and honestly getting tough to even read. Like wow, we lost a regular season game our QB played great in and we are wasting his talent. We lost a close regular season game which means it’s another time this team came up short in the big moment. We haven’t won a Super Bowl in the four or five years this team has had the potential to so which means they will never get it done under these coaches.

Between the Sabres being awful and the bills fans being incredibly difficult to be around, I think it’s time to take a gooooood long break from this forum

As other have said, Nacua and Kupp are zone killers. It was a terrible matchup, especially with Nacua looking like Spiderman out there. My fantasy team was happy with his performance, but I...was not!

But for real, people need to chill. McD shouldn't be fired. Beane has done a masterful job building a tough team during a year with a ton of dead cap. The Sabres deserve all the shit we dump on them. As for the Bills, just enjoy the ride. We're going to have a ton of chances in Jan to make the SB while Allen is at the helm. Nobody should be writing this team off while he's in his prime.

 

[Jim Bob]

Parsons has a $24M cap hit for next season on his fifth year option.

It would cause Beane to make even more tough decisions with core guys needing new deals over the next two offseasons if he were to trade for Parsons.

 

[Dubi Doo]

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Ok. Nvm. Forget what I wrote above. This team is screwed. Adams put a hex on them by just paying attention to them. Yuck! :p

Parsons has a $24M cap hit for next season on his fifth year option.

It would cause Beane to make even more tough decisions with core guys needing new deals over the next two offseasons if he were to trade for Parsons.

Game breaked who would do wonders in this defense. I'd be interested.

 

[Jim Bob]

Game breaked who would do wonders in this defense. I'd be interested.

Beane has yet to build a difference making DL during his time as GM.

He took the big swing with Von and that hasn't worked out.

Parsons is a premium guy in his prime. It would be intriguing.

But, it could cost them guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Bernard, Groot, and others.

They can't keep all of them. And if they add a big money edge rusher from outside like Parsons, it means fewer of those guys stick around.

 

[zenthusiast]

You don’t fire McDermott in the way you do Adams, which is to right the ship and set off in a new direction. You pivot from him to maximize your opportunity in the QB’s prime because he’s not the guy that is best equipped to take you all the way.

 

[Jim Bob]

You don’t fire McDermott in the way you do Adams, which is to right the ship and set off in a new direction. You pivot from him to maximize your opportunity in the QB’s prime because he’s not the guy that is best equipped to take you all the way.

Given that McD was hired before Beane and they both report directly to Terry Pegula, I doubt you see McD getting fired anytime soon.

He is the kind of person that Pegula likes.

 

[zenthusiast]

Given that McD was hired before Beane and they both report directly to Terry Pegula, I doubt you see McD getting fired anytime soon.

He is the kind of person that Pegula likes.

I don’t think you’re wrong. It would probably take an Allen mutiny and that’s not going to happen anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Der Jaeger]

Beane has yet to build a difference making DL during his time as GM.

He took the big swing with Von and that hasn't worked out.

Parsons is a premium guy in his prime. It would be intriguing.

But, it could cost them guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Bernard, Groot, and others.

They can't keep all of them. And if they add a big money edge rusher from outside like Parsons, it means fewer of those guys stick around.

I don't think I'd cost all those players. Moving on from Von Miller frees up a lot of space right off the bat. Douglas is probably gone. But they'd make a tough choice on someone like Knox or Milano before moving on from Rousseau, Benford, Shakir, or Benard.

Looking at Spotrac, it'd be tight for 2025 but Miller's contract out helps a lot. Most of the other contracts they'd need to get out of are 2026 outs, which is when Parsons would need a new contract.

 

[TehDoak]

Beane has yet to build a difference making DL during his time as GM.

He took the big swing with Von and that hasn't worked out.

Parsons is a premium guy in his prime. It would be intriguing.

But, it could cost them guys like Cooper, Douglas, Benford, Shakir, Bernard, Groot, and others.

They can't keep all of them. And if they add a big money edge rusher from outside like Parsons, it means fewer of those guys stick around.

I think there are very few game wreckers on defense out there. I mean, how many truly elite d-lineman are there right now? 10? Watt, Garrett, Hutchinson, Crosby, Hines-Allen, and? Anderson? Oliver has dropped off this year after an excellent year last year. Rousseau has had big games and then silent for extended periods.

 

[Husko]

Parsons would be a great addition, but I can't see anyway Dallas lets him go. Top pass rushers in the prime of their careers don't grow on trees.

 

[Zman5778]

Just to kind of put a bit of a bow on the Rams game, thanks to ESPN.com:

Turning the page to NFL Week 15: Are the Eagles legit contenders? Can the Rams actually make some noise?

Is Philly's run-heavy approach sustainable? Is this defense for real? Let's dive into the Eagles' identity, the Rams' outlook and big Week 14 trends.

www.espn.com

From Ryan: "How much of the Bills' D getting demolished by the Rams is an indictment of the unit vs. 'sometimes you get got by a HOF QB-WR connection?'"

I didn't really touch on the Bills' side of things earlier when talking about this game, so I'll hit that point here. It's about 80% the latter. Buffalo pressured Stafford and threw weird rotations at him. It pressed Nacua, covered him with different bodies and flew to him in zone coverage. It just didn't really matter. Sometimes the other guys are cracked. C'est la vie.

The remaining 20% is focused on the Bills' run defense. It was far from a spectacular day for the Rams' running game -- Kyren Williams had 29 carries for 87 yards, and Blake Corum added another 34 yards on eight carries -- but some of the late-game clock grinding conceals the issue. The Bills continue to lose to bigger offensive lines and running games that get additional bodies into the blocking scheme. That's significant with a date against the Lions upcoming. And for the AFC playoff picture, it's worth wondering what happens when they meet the Chargers or Steelers -- let alone the Ravens -- again.