Series Talk: WCSF Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers. (VAN leads 3-2)

[Leonardo87]

Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers
WCSF

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[Rowlet]

I’m not saying the Oilers are, I’m laughing at the fact Canucks fans think they have an advantage..they don’t
They didn’t have in the regular nor the 6 games in the playoffs

But... they do have the advantage, I even gave you the stats to show that the Canucks are advantaged at 5v5 in the playoffs.

Canucks are 4th in xG% (54.61%), Oilers are 10th (47.43%)
Canucks are 4th in Corsi (52.45%), Oilers are 15th (42.66%)
Canucks are 6th in Fenwick (51.23%), Oilers are 15th (43.32%)
Canucks are 3rd in xGD (+2), Oilers are 10th (-1.06)

Now, you may not think that's important, I'm not so sure it is either as the Oilers have the firepower to ignore stuff like Corsi and Fenwick, but the Canucks definitely do have the advantage.

 

[Banjo Cat]

When does this series actually start? I am kinda excited for it.

 

[Skolman]

When does this series actually start? I am kinda excited for it.

Tuesday, most likely

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

But... they do have the advantage, I even gave you the stats to show that the Canucks are advantaged at 5v5 in the playoffs.

Canucks are 4th in xG% (54.61%), Oilers are 10th (47.43%)
Canucks are 4th in Corsi (52.45%), Oilers are 15th (42.66%)
Canucks are 6th in Fenwick (51.23%), Oilers are 15th (43.32%)
Canucks are 3rd in xGD (+2), Oilers are 10th (-1.06)

Now, you may not think that's important, I'm not so sure it is either as the Oilers have the firepower to ignore stuff like Corsi and Fenwick, but the Canucks definitely do have the advantage.

lol using advanced stats on small sample size is hilarious
TIL the NY Rangers are a terrible ES team

 

[Moose112]

So you ignored all the 5v5 stats I posted in favour of all situations goal differential in a reply about which team is better at ES?

Oilers are +0 ESGD btw, despite scoring 22GF and only having 13GA

Yikes

The things you mentioned are completely useless in a 5 game sample where each team played a single and very different opponent. Which I'm sure you know.

I replied with 82 game samples of each which you said didn't matter because you're trying to make a silly point that even you don't agree with about regular season not mattering.

So I made a similar reducto ad absurdum reply. And here we are.

 

[snipes]

I give the Oilers the odds advantage based on recent playoff experience (last 3 yrs), an injured Demko, and an A+ Oilers powerplay.

That being said, the Caucks are a 50 win team and they won the division for a reason. They will scrape, claw and muck the game up as best they can and if Pettersson gets going I think the Canucks can win this in 7 games.

I'm going to avoid hf for the series. There's a lot of toxic fans that are ruining the perception of the usual fan of both teams. I just want to enjoy the hockey. If the Canucks win it will be euphoria. If the Oilers win I truly hope McDavid can cement a legacy as one of the greats and get a cup. Like I said, if I'm here listening to the toxic culture of fans I probably won't feel that way. If the Canucks lose and I avoid hf I will understand that there's a ton of diehard Oiler fans that just want the same thing I do.

Exciting times indeed I hope we get a good series.

This is probably the best post of this thread

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Nucks in six.

 

[Rowlet]

lol using advanced stats on small sample size is hilarious
TIL the NY Rangers are a terrible ES team

Are you serious? People have been knocking the Rangers because they've been a terrible ES team all year, they're around 20th in every advanced stat category.

You're clearly not worth responding to further, so have a nice day.

The things you mentioned are completely useless in a 5 game sample where each team played a single and very different opponent. Which I'm sure you know.

I replied with 82 game samples of each which you said didn't matter because you're trying to make a silly point that even you don't agree with about regular season not mattering.

So I made a similar reducto ad absurdum reply. And here we are.

I disagree, I think it's still relevant information. Since it's clear we won't see any agreement, best to just stop talking altogether.

Have a nice day.

 

[ijuka]

But... they do have the advantage, I even gave you the stats to show that the Canucks are advantaged at 5v5 in the playoffs.

Canucks are 4th in xG% (54.61%), Oilers are 10th (47.43%)
Canucks are 4th in Corsi (52.45%), Oilers are 15th (42.66%)
Canucks are 6th in Fenwick (51.23%), Oilers are 15th (43.32%)
Canucks are 3rd in xGD (+2), Oilers are 10th (-1.06)

Now, you may not think that's important, I'm not so sure it is either as the Oilers have the firepower to ignore stuff like Corsi and Fenwick, but the Canucks definitely do have the advantage.

Yeah. Very useful with these sample sizes. Especially when they were against completely different teams that play completely differently.

Needless to say, this isn't how you use advanced statistics.

 

[Pucklington]

Right but Oilers fans keep telling me that the regular season doesn't matter, so I'm ignoring it like they requested.

Also, we were talking about the playoffs.

Didn't realize you knew every Oiler fan. Congrats on your very large friends circle.

 

[Rowlet]

Didn't realize you knew every Oiler fan. Congrats on your very large friends circle.

Note that I never said all of them.

 

[Seachd]

We're talking playoff stats, most Oiler fans keep saying regular season doesn't mean anything

Do they? Or are they saying only looking at 4 games of an 82 game schedule seems incredibly disingenuous?

 

[nucks88]

The Canucks entered the NHL in 1970. That is where the reference comes from.

Good math skills…..

 

[Rowlet]

Do they? Or are they saying only looking at 4 games of an 82 game schedule seems incredibly disingenuous?

If they meant to say that a 4 game sample size is disingenuous, they're doing an extremely poor job of it. I keep seeing them accidentally say "the regular season doesn't matter".

 

[Seachd]

If they meant to say that a 4 game sample size is disingenuous, they're doing an extremely poor job of it. I keep seeing them accidentally say "the regular season doesn't matter".

And from that, you’re pretending that means everything that happened in the entire season.

The other poster was absolutely right - you don’t even believe that, hence the “disingenuous “.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I give the Oilers the odds advantage based on recent playoff experience (last 3 yrs), an injured Demko, and an A+ Oilers powerplay.

That being said, the Caucks are a 50 win team and they won the division for a reason. They will scrape, claw and muck the game up as best they can and if Pettersson gets going I think the Canucks can win this in 7 games.

I'm going to avoid hf for the series. There's a lot of toxic fans that are ruining the perception of the usual fan of both teams. I just want to enjoy the hockey. If the Canucks win it will be euphoria. If the Oilers win I truly hope McDavid can cement a legacy as one of the greats and get a cup. Like I said, if I'm here listening to the toxic culture of fans I probably won't feel that way. If the Canucks lose and I avoid hf I will understand that there's a ton of diehard Oiler fans that just want the same thing I do.

Exciting times indeed I hope we get a good series.

Well said my friend!

May the best team win!

 

[Rowlet]

And from that, you’re pretending that means everything that happened in the entire season.

The other poster was absolutely right - you don’t even believe that, hence the “disingenuous “.

I'm not pretending anything, how can I read their minds? I only know what they say.

I'm sure that some of them actually believe that the regular season is meaningless, why should I interpret that as anything more than regular season nihlism, seems unfair to the others.

 

[Pucklington]

Note that I never said all of them.

Then what you said wasn't relevant.

 

[Rowlet]

Then what you said wasn't relevant.

Yes it was, because Oiler fans keep saying that.

If your position is that you can't refer to members of a group doing something unless they all do it, that's incredibly silly.

 

[Pucklington]

Yes it was, because Oiler fans keep saying that.

Every Oiler fan or a select few?

Like every Canuck fan likes to riot after their team loses?

 

[Rowlet]

Every Oiler fan or a select few?

Like every Canuck fan likes to riot after their team loses?

I never said every Oiler fan, I said that I keep seeing Oiler fans say that.

If this is all because I didn't put the word "some" in front of "Oiler fans" then I can go back and change it for you.

Saying "Canucks fans riot when their team loses in the finals" is correct. Saying "All Canucks fans riot" is incorrect.

 

[Pucklington]

I never said every Oiler fan, I said that I keep seeing Oiler fans say that.

If this is all because I didn't put the word "some" in front of "Oiler fans" then I can go back and change it for you.

So it's not relevant, you admit.

Thank you.

 

[Rowlet]

So it's not relevant, you admit.

Thank you.

I don't think you understand at all.

Even in your hypothetical, it is factually correct to say that "Canucks fans riot", just as what I said is correct. It's also just as correct to say that Oiler fans riot, remember 2006?

I shouldn't need to put the word "some" in there for you, you're being weirdly #notallOilerfans about it, I wasn't saying that all Oiler fans say that, I was saying that Oiler fans say it, which is true, many of them do.

 

[nucks88]

So if Vegas win the first game is Tuesday and if Dallas wins the first game is on Wednesday….Go Stars…..

 

[Fourier]

If they meant to say that a 4 game sample size is disingenuous, they're doing an extremely poor job of it. I keep seeing them accidentally say "the regular season doesn't matter".

The issue is not so much with the regular season not meaning anything as it is about the 4 games these teams played. The key here is that three were in a 12 game stint that was as bad as almost any since the Oilers decade of darkness. During that period, McDavid was playing hurt, Ekholm was significantly impacted by a hip flexor issue and the fact that he had not had a preseason, and the goaltending was atrocious. They went 2-9-1 with 2.58GF/gm and 4.17GA/gm. The pp was at 23% and the pk was at 70%. It may sound like an excuse but there is no question that that 12 game set was a significant anomaly. From that point on they went 47-18-5 with 3.73 GF/gm 2.66GA/Gm with the pp at over 27% and the pk a little over 81%. During that period the Oilers also lost to the Sharks. The next two times they played the Sharks later in the season the scores were 5-0 and 9-2. Both teams have made significant roster changes since the first month.

The last of the four games was also played with McDavid out and the Oilers on a back to back. the Canucks won fair and square but again, you can't read a lot into this.