WCSF Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers. (Series tied 3-3)

[Leonardo87]

Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers
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[Fishy McScales]

Canucks’ adversity is the loss of their starting goaltender. Good coaching kept them from falling too far. Oilers won the division last year with the coach that failed them early this season. It was more than coaching that had the Oilers out.

Now you're just scrambling to explain away getting caught on your fact-checking, or lack thereof.

Btw the Oilers did not win the division last year, Vegas did. The Oil had a big slump last year under Woody too, though it happened mid season so it was less noticeable.

 

[Phrasing]

Now you're just scrambling to explain away getting caught on your fact-checking, or lack thereof.

Btw the Oilers did not win the division last year, Vegas did. The Oil had a big slump last year under Woody too, though it happened mid season so it was less noticeable.

Not scrambling. I mentioned adversity in the very beginning. That’s why I said to read. You’re right on Vegas though.

Nothing you’ve said has changed my mind that Canucks aren’t the better coached team punching above their weight.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

And their food is shit, too.

It’s strange branding, have never heard anyone remark one way or another about pizza from Boston

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I never said the Oilers didn’t almost catch up, the Canucks held them off. It makes sense if you read it again. I’m not going to ignore Oilers season before the coaching change.

I agree. If the Canuck players played like crap to start the year I wouldn’t be giving them a free pass either. In fact, the Canucks did have horrific starts the last few years and it cost them getting into the playoffs.
The Canucks finished 5 points above the Oilers in the standings even missing their Vezina finalist goalie for a good chunk of it. They are full value for finishing first in the Pacific.
Does it mean much at this point? Not really. Other than home ice advantage it’s a brand new season.

 

[Seachd]

I never said the Oilers didn’t almost catch up, the Canucks held them off. It makes sense if you read it again. I’m not going to ignore Oilers season before the coaching change.

You said the Canucks are “better coached”, but you include past coaches in that?

 

[Fishy McScales]

Not scrambling. You’re right on Vegas though.

Nothing you’ve said has changed my mind that Canucks aren’t the better coached team punching above their weight.

The Oilers literally have the best record in the NHL under Knoblauch.

The fact you can't see this as at best a wash for the Canucks makes you look like a massive homer man.

Look, Tocchet has had a great year, he's a good coach. Not disputing that in the slightest and it's an interesting matchup, but the fact you single it out as some sort of advantage is what gets me.

 

[Phrasing]

The Oilers literally have the best record in the NHL under Knoblauch.

The fact you can't see this as at best a wash for the Canucks makes you look like a massive homer man.

Look, Tocchet has had a great year, he's a good coach. Not disputing that in the slightest and it's an interesting matchup, but the fact you single it out as some sort of advantage is what gets me.

I didn’t say Oilers weren’t well coached, but his roster isn’t exactly doing what wasn’t already expected. Canucks’ roster is doing something that isn’t expected of their talent level. It’s not about win record alone. It’s about talent level on roster and performance. That’s why it’s coach like Brunette and Tocchet are up for the Adams, not Knoblach. Taking a roster to play above their talents.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

The Oilers literally have the best record in the NHL under Knoblauch.

The fact you can't see this as at best a wash for the Canucks makes you look like a massive homer man.

Look, Tocchet has had a great year, he's a good coach. Not disputing that in the slightest and it's an interesting matchup, but the fact you single it out as some sort of advantage is what gets me.

The thing Tocchet deserves alot of credit for is the 180 turnaround in the Canucks defensive play. When the Canucks started out 0-7 last season & blew multigoal leads in like 5 of them, there's no way anyone would've believed the Canucks could possibly be one of the best defensive teams in the league a year later - yet somehow Tocchet did it. But that's pretty much just a Jack Adams case for Tocchet.

As far as this series goes both coaches are very good & we will see who 'outcoaches' who. Its a clean slate, to say coaching is a big advantage... idk, you never really hear that brought up as an advantage going into a series, its the NHL these guys are all here for a reason.

 

[Coffey]

100!! We did it!!

WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!

I'm cheering like Pronger in my avatar!

Let it forever be known that nobody is more mentally ill about hockey than Oiler and Canuck fans.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I didn’t say Oilers weren’t well coached, but his roster isn’t exactly doing what wasn’t anlready expected. Canucks’ roster is doing something that isn’t expected of their talent level. It’s not about win record alone. It’s about talent level on roster and performance. That’s why it’s coach like Brunette and Tocchet up for the Adams, not Knoblach. Taking a roster to play above their talents.

A big reason Knoblauch is not up for the Adams is that he didn't coach the full season.

I'd be curious what your expectations are of an Oilers coach, though? You must think they are the clear-cut cup favourites if coaching them to the by far best record is par for the course at best?

 

[0494]

100!! We did it!!

WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!

I'm cheering like Pronger in my avatar!

Let it forever be known that nobody is more mentally ill about hockey than Oiler and Canuck fans.

One of us guaranteed to get to the WCF at least. I'm hoping Dallas wins the other series regardless of who wins this one.

 

[Phrasing]

A big reason Knoblauch is not up for the Adams is that he didn't coach the full season.

I'd be curious what your expectations are of an Oilers coach, though? You must think they are the clear-cut cup favourites if coaching them to the by far best record is par for the course at best?

I did prior to the season in fact I had the Oilers in the finals with the Panthers.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

100!! We did it!!

WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!

I'm cheering like Pronger in my avatar!

Let it forever be known that nobody is more mentally ill about hockey than Oiler and Canuck fans.

Those Leafs & Habs fans have nothing on us !!

 

[Fishy McScales]

The thing Tocchet deserves alot of credit for is the 180 turnaround in the Canucks defensive play. When the Canucks started out 0-7 last season & blew multigoal leads in like 5 of them, there's no way anyone would've believed the Canucks could possibly be one of the best defensive teams in the league a year later - yet somehow Tocchet did it. But that's pretty much just a Jack Adams case for Tocchet.

As far as this series goes both coaches are very good & we will see who 'outcoaches' who. Its a clean slate, to say coaching is a big advantage... idk, you never really hear that brought up as an advantage going into a series, its the NHL these guys are all here for a reason.

Again, never said he doesn't deserve credit, just saying that the Canucks being better coached than the Oilers has damning evidence to the contrary and saying otherwise looks like an unintended compliment to the Oilers as a team instead.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The thing Tocchet deserves alot of credit for is the 180 turnaround in the Canucks defensive play. When the Canucks started out 0-7 last season & blew multigoal leads in like 5 of them, there's no way anyone would've believed the Canucks could possibly be one of the best defensive teams in the league a year later - yet somehow Tocchet did it. But that's pretty much just a Jack Adams case for Tocchet.

As far as this series goes both coaches are very good & we will see who 'outcoaches' who. Its a clean slate, to say coaching is a big advantage... idk, you never really hear that brought up as an advantage going into a series, its the NHL these guys are all here for a reason.

Experience edge goes to Tocchet but I think these are 2 of the better coaches so any advantage is pretty small.

 

[Three On Zero]

It's always hilarious to me when Oilers fans and especially Avs fans (Colorado sports riots in 4 consecutive years when their teams WON the finals) chirp Canucks fans over riots.

but but but! Your riot was bigger!

At the end of the day, a riot is a riot

 

[Coffey]

Those Leafs & Habs fans have nothing on us !!

We've been waiting 32 damn years for this!

 

[Three On Zero]

100!! We did it!!

WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!
WESTERN CANADA!

I'm cheering like Pronger in my avatar!

Let it forever be known that nobody is more mentally ill about hockey than Oiler and Canuck fans.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I saw Jason Gregor make the point the that the Canucks/Oilers have never really had a true rivalry as both teams have never really been good/great at the same time.

Obviously the Canucks were straight trash in the 80's
early 90's both were solid
late 90's Canucks sucked
early 2000's Oilers were pretty mid, WCE era Nucks were good.
Sedin/Luongo era the Oilers were trash
then in the McDavid era the Canucks have sucked - until now

Maybe this is just the start, and if this thread is any indication I'm sure we'll all handle it very well!

 

[Phrasing]

Again, never said he doesn't deserve credit, just saying that the Canucks being better coached than the Oilers has damning evidence to the contrary and saying otherwise looks like an unintended compliment to the Oilers as a team instead.

Say Knoblach was nominated for the Adams, who do you think should win coach of the year?

 

[Fishy McScales]

Say Knoblach was nominated for the Adams, who do you think should win coach of the year?

Good question; I don't think there's a clear cut answer which goes back to the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Phrasing]

Good question; I don't think there's a clear cut answer which goes back to the point I'm trying to make.

My argument would be this: vast majority of media, pundits and fans had Oilers as a Stanley Cup favorite or very clearly in the highest of tiers of teams competing. Most everyone had Canucks either as missing the playoffs or a wild card team. Based on the outcomes of the respective teams so far, I think my answer is a bit more clear who would or should win. Not that there’s a massive crater between them, but I can make a bit better argument for Tocchet. That was the point I was making for why the Canucks might be better coached. It’s also why he’s going to win the Adams.

 

[GreeningOil]

Yes I called Draisaitl a diver. For some reason its always soft calls the Oilers never fail to capitalize on. The Oilers PP is a deadly weapon, this isn't news. Less opportunities the better for Vancouver.

Draisaitl is terrific player though, and hopefully I'm wrong about that.

If Vancouver (and Edmonton) plays a clean, non hook, slash, and hold, style game…

The penalties will be even. If either team gets behind on pace, the penalties will come.

LA also did what they usually do, and made highly chippy infractions post whistle.

The difference from the last few oilers playoffs? They’d retaliate and take more stupid penalties.

Watch out if either team starts playing too far to the chippy edge!

 

[geebster]

Again, never said he doesn't deserve credit, just saying that the Canucks being better coached than the Oilers has damning evidence to the contrary and saying otherwise looks like an unintended compliment to the Oilers as a team instead.

I mean it's pretty obvious that McDavid is basically a cheat code. The team around him is maybe the best group he's had to work with. It's criminal someone of his ability has went this many years without a Finals appearance.

The Oilers were elite last year under Woodcroft. Knoblauch didn't exactly make a bottom feeder that hadn't ever shown consistency or good play into a division winning team. He took a team that already showed its elite and made it elite again. He deserves credit for getting much better defense out of the group.

Tocchet took a team that was bottom 3 in the league for high danger chances and shots against for years and could never win consistently and turned that around. That's a much more impressive job. Knoblauch is in the top 5 ish coaches this year but he didn't do what Tocchet did.

 

[Phrasing]

If Vancouver (and Edmonton) plays a clean, non hook, slash, and hold, style game…

The penalties will be even. If either team gets behind on pace, the penalties will come.

LA also did what they usually do, and made highly chippy infractions post whistle.

The difference from the last few oilers playoffs? They’d retaliate and take more stupid penalties.

Watch out if either team starts playing too far to the chippy edge!

Canucks problem is when they stop moving their feet and take stick penalties. Oilers skate better and this is the risk. I don’t envision a lot of chippy or retaliation type of penalties.