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notbias said:
"Being a dick didn't work and neither did being nice"

it is almost like the team tried really hard both times and just came up short.

I've been happier with the player's effort in the last two series vs with Babcock, we were at least the better team last two series.
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You were happy with the effort vs. Columbus? And, the effort vs. MTL where they blew a 3-1 lead. The Habs were 18th in the NHL. Had no business in any kind of playoff, and we lost to them? How are you happier? What is the litmus test for you? I really want to know what made you feel better about the effort?

The Leafs were not favorites vs. Caps or Boston. They were vs. CBJ and MTL. If effort was the same, much less better, Leafs should've won both CBJ and MTL series.
 
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htpwn said:
I highly doubt we would have signed him to the extra year if the goal was simply to get him to 1,000 games.
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If he winds up playing for the Leafs next season, I wholeheartedly agree. If he doesn't, that extra year is meaningless and shouldn't be factored into this.
 
riffle said:
You were happy with the effort vs. Columbus? And, the effort vs. MTL where they blew a 3-1 lead. The Habs were 18th in the NHL. Had no business in any kind of playoff, and we lost to them? How are you happier? What is the litmus test for you? I really want to know what made you feel better about the effort?

The Leafs were not favorites vs. Caps or Boston. They were vs. CBJ and MTL. If effort was the same, much less better, Leafs should've won both CBJ and MTL series.
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The Leafs were not favourites against Columbus either. They ran into good goaltending in both series and their goalies didn't step up when it mattered, so yes I am happy.

Montreal was the second-best team according to the "results are all that matters" people, so Leafs lost to the second best team (they finished 2nd)
 
The Podium said:
You’re digging yourself into a deep hole. Accept that you parents didn’t raise you right and move on.
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How so? Because I don't think professional sports where guys are paid big money should revolve around personal goals? Prioritizing TEAM over SELF means I wasn't raised right? I know a lot of people who put self before others. Those are people I'm glad I wasn't raised like.

Sports are about TEAM. Today, we've individualized things so much that a lot of people put the focus on meaningless things like Matthews winning the Rocket. I couldn't care less if he wins it. I'll take a Cup over every single accolade a player can personally receive.

@notbias The Leafs were favored over CBJ. Not sure why you believe they weren't?

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riffle said:
How so? Because I don't think professional sports where guys are paid big money should revolve around personal goals? Prioritizing TEAM over SELF means I wasn't raised right? I know a lot of people who put self before others. Those are people I'm glad I wasn't raised like.

Sports are about TEAM. Today, we've individualized things so much that a lot of people put the focus on meaningless things like Matthews winning the Rocket. I couldn't care less if he wins it. I'll take a Cup over every single accolade a player can personally receive.

@notbias The Leafs were favored over CBJ. Not sure why you believe they weren't?

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riffle said:
How so? Because I don't think professional sports where guys are paid big money should revolve around personal goals? Prioritizing TEAM over SELF means I wasn't raised right? I know a lot of people who put self before others. Those are people I'm glad I wasn't raised like.

Sports are about TEAM. Today, we've individualized things so much that a lot of people put the focus on meaningless things like Matthews winning the Rocket. I couldn't care less if he wins it. I'll take a Cup over every single accolade a player can personally receive.
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Why can’t it be both? It’s not like it’s egregious to have Simmonds playing on an NHL roster, like maintaining Yandles Iron Man streak for example.

Players rally around personal accolades, good will often builds comradery.

Success isn’t a measure of how nice or how rude you are.
 
The Podium said:
Why can’t it be both? It’s not like it’s egregious to have Simmonds playing on an NHL roster, like maintaining Yandles Iron Man streak for example.

Players rally around personal accolades, good will often builds comradery.

Success isn’t a measure of how nice or how rude you are.
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I agree with your last point. It may not be egregious to have Simmonds playing on an NHL roster, but is that different when it comes to the Leafs roster?

Totally against things like streaks and couldn't care less about them.

Imagine the Leafs win the division and clinch home ice if they beat the Bruins in the final regular season game. The game goes into OT.

Marner has the puck in the slot and Rielly is uncovered coming back door on the right side of the ice. Matthews is up high. Instead of passing to Rielly who would be wide open, Mitch drops it back to Auston because Auston is stuck on 59 goals and he wants some arbitrary number like 60 for Auston. Matthews bobbles it and Marchand steals it and goes in and scores and the Leafs lose the 1-seed. What I'm railing against is pushing to do something personal that affects the team in a negative way. Many would care about 60 for Auston. I'm not one of them. If he scores only 4 more goals the rest of the way and we somehow get the 1-seed, I'd be thrilled. I certainly wouldn't be lamenting how he didn't get 50.

Reading this, it almost sounds to me some would be okay if the Leafs lose another 1st round if hypothetically Simmonds was setting some playoff record for most playoff games played or some irrelevant nonsense like that. Winning, as a team, trumps every personal goal I can think of.
 
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You gotta love Nicolas Deslauries
Tucker used to do this, so did Shayne Corson

Nothing wrong with the hit. Gudas did what Gudas does. He leads all NHL D in hits
But love what Nicolas did here

I never see this from Simmonds. Never see that hunt, that statement.
Just a fight here and there

 
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fahad203 said:
You gotta love Nicolas Deslauries
Tucker used to do this, so did Shayne Corson

Nothing wrong with the hit. Gudas did what Gudas does. He leads all NHL D in hits
But love what Nicolas did here

I never see this from Simmonds. Never see that hunt, that statement.
Just a fight here and there

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You never see this from Simmonds?

This happened not too long ago:

 
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riffle said:
I agree with your last point. It may not be egregious to have Simmonds playing on an NHL roster, but is that different when it comes to the Leafs roster?

Totally against things like streaks and couldn't care less about them.

Imagine the Leafs win the division and clinch home ice if they beat the Bruins in the final regular season game. The game goes into OT.

Marner has the puck in the slot and Rielly is uncovered coming back door on the right side of the ice. Matthews is up high. Instead of passing to Rielly who would be wide open, Mitch drops it back to Auston because Auston is stuck on 59 goals and he wants some arbitrary number like 60 for Auston. Matthews bobbles it and Marchand steals it and goes in and scores and the Leafs lose the 1-seed. What I'm railing against is pushing to do something personal that affects the team in a negative way. Many would care about 60 for Auston. I'm not one of them. If he scores only 4 more goals the rest of the way and we somehow get the 1-seed, I'd be thrilled. I certainly wouldn't be lamenting how he didn't get 50.

Reading this, it almost sounds to me some would be okay if the Leafs lose another 1st round if hypothetically Simmonds was setting some playoff record for most playoff games played or some irrelevant nonsense like that. Winning, as a team, trumps every personal goal I can think of.
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Classic burner. Give this account 2 weeks tops.
 
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He tries really hard, but he's clearly washed. I remember him coming in last year saying he's healthier than he has been in years and thinking "then why does it look like your back and hips are screwed up when you skate?" He's too beaten down now.
 
Play him every few games for the rest of the sason. He will be valuable in the playoffs facing guys like Maroon, Perry, Gudas, etc. He's better than Clifford
 
fahad203 said:
Then why didnt we win the seriesast year being up 3-1

He did jack last year
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not that Matthews is the only weapon, but once they knew he couldn't shoot they just doubled up on MM, the 3rd and 4th lines couldn't sustain a forecheck and so you have 3 out of the 4 lines completely neutralized

once the Canadiens knew there was no pushback they started caving in Leaf heads, it was open season on the Leafs goaltender, open season on the forecheck which resulted in possessions, they owned centre ice because they hit hard and often and because of that they owned their own blueline.

Hockey becomes a simple game once you get your opponent going backwards. It's Important to know that 1 guy can't do it all, it takes the whole team willing to be physical, the Canadiens were willing
 
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riffle said:
I don't know if Dubas helped him with glory, yet. That is to be determined.

Robidas Island is not for guys making 900k.

All I'm saying is, IF, and I mean IF, Kyle held off on getting rid of Simmonds to get him to 1K games that is pathetic. Some would find it classy. I don't. We all can see Wayne Simmonds is not helping this team win games. If the Leafs are more in the business of personal achievement than winning, that doesn't sit well with me. I don't know this to be true, but it has been speculated that Kyle kept him around to get him his milestone. I do not like that one bit, if that is true.

Will be glad if Wayne is gone. I thought he was a bald tire when he first signed here. Spezza is almost the same to me. Would like to leave the feel good stories and be more about being sold out for winning than nice story lines. Nothing personal against nice story lines, I just like winning better. I think most of us do.
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2+2=1000

You can put ‘if’ as many times as you want but you know that some people will ignore the ‘if’ and it will gain traction that this is the real reason.

There are loads of other ‘ifs’ so why not list them as well rather than concentrating on the most controversial one?
 
Yorkshire Leaf said:
2+2=1000

You can put ‘if’ as many times as you want but you know that some people will ignore the ‘if’ and it will gain traction that this is the real reason.

There are loads of other ‘ifs’ so why not list them as well rather than concentrating on the most controversial one?
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Give me a list of the other ones. Genuinely curious.

Controversial issues make for the best topics and are the ones I find the most compelling. If you were going to pick just one to focus on, you want to do it like Vegas sets lines for games. You set the line where you get the most action to entice both sides to lay money. No different with conversation. Controversy is a line of demarcation (point spread) and brings interesting perspective from both sides.
 
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