Was Mike Liut bad in the 1981 Canada Cup final?

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Canadians usually blame Mike Liut for the 1-8 loss in the Canada Cup final of 1981. But was he really that bad in that game?

The way I see it the last two Soviet goals (scored by Golikov and Skvortsov) were soft goals. The rest of the goals were scored either from breakaways or from prime scoring areas.

1-0: Larionov scores from a great pass from Krutov in front of Liut's goal. Nothing Liut can do.

2-1: Fetisov passes the puck to the slot. Bourque tries to clear but is checked by Shepelev who scores with a backhand shot. Liut is completely screened. Liut had no time to react.

3-1: Kapustin feeds Shepelev on the slot and Shepelev has lots of time to shoot a perfect hard shot to the upper right corner. Only someone like Dominik Hasek in his prime would have been able to make a save on that shot.

4-1: Shepelev steals the puck from Bourque, passes it to Makarov who passes it back to Shepelev. Shepelev is allowed to walk all alone to the prime scoring area. Shepelev blasts a hard wrister to the right bottom corner of the goal. Only a fantastic save would have saved that goal.

5-1: Canada is on the PP and Gretzky makes a horrible rink wide pass that is intercepted by Krutov. Krutov faces Lafleur one on one and fakes a shot. Lafleur ducks and allows Krutov to skate past him to face Liut alone. Krutov wrists a hard shot past Liut.

6-1: Soviet Union is on PP. Kasatonov sends Larionov to a breakaway with a great, hard, long and accurate pass. Larionov beats Liut one on one with a hard wrister.

7-1: Golikov beats Robinson one on one and beats Liut with a backhand shot. Liut should have made a save since Golikov's shot was from a small angle and Liut was not screened.

8-1: Vasilyev sends Skvortsov and Khomutov to a two on one situation against Potvin. Skvortsov doesn't pass to Khomutov but instead shoots a wrister to beat Liut. Liut was not screened and probably should have had this one.

Liut was not the reason Canada lost this game. Even if Liut had stood on his head he would not have been able to win this game for Canada. Canada made too many individual errors and allowed Soviets to prime scoring areas too often.

Quite surprisingly the worst Canadian defensemen in this game were Denis Potvin and Ray Bourque, while lesser known defensemen like Barry Beck and Craig Hartsburg fared a lot better. Especially Bourque made a lot of individual errors and was solely responsible for the 2-1 goal scored by Shepelev.

For the Soviets Tretyak was great in the first period, but in reality he did not have to make too many game savers. Tretyak had to make a few game savers against Dionne and Bossy in the first period, but after that Canada did not generate many dangerous situation in the Soviet end.

An unknown centerman Sergei Shepelev was the hero for the Soviets in this game. The line from Spartak Moscow - Sergei Kapustin, Shepelev and Viktor Shalimov - could have been the best line in the world for those few years it played together (1980-1983). Shepelev scored natural hat trick, three straight goals (2-1, 3-1 and 4-1).
 
Liut wasn't good, but it was a "team effort" as they say.

If we were to rank the Canadian players from best to worst in that game, I certainly wouldn't have Liut last.
 
If we were to rank the Canadian players from best to worst in that game, I certainly wouldn't have Liut last.

Liut can only be blamed not making enough game savers to bail out Canada. Not much Liut can do when Canada lets the most skilled players and the best shooters in the world to prime scoring areas.

Individual mistakes cost Canada this game. 5-1 goal by Krutov typifies to game. The two players that Canada counted on most offensively - Gretzky and Lafleur - made two individual errors in a matter of few seconds while Canada was on PP. First Gretzky passes the puck right to Krutov's stick and then Lafleur ducks on Krutov's fake shot to allow Krutov freely to skate past him.

Not much Liut can do when players like Gretzky and Lafleur screw up things line that.
 
In my opinion, goalies rarely win or lose games. Of course their mistakes are magnified in a 1-game, winner-take-all situation, but still the team whose skaters work hardest and make the fewest mistakes usually wins, provided it has good-level goaltending.

One thing the 1981 Canada Cup did do was sort-of end the love-affair the North American hockey media had with Mike Liut.
 
Switch goalies and Canada wins, no doubt, though probably nothing like 8-1

Canada would have not won that game with Tretyak on net. Canada was not able to create enough scoring opportunities in that game, and Tretyak would not have been able to stop those Soviet shots from prime scoring areas.
 
Canada would have not won that game with Tretyak on net. Canada was not able to create enough scoring opportunities in that game, and Tretyak would not have been able to stop those Soviet shots from prime scoring areas.

I disagree. Even goaltending and the Soviets still win, but Tretiak played significantly better than Liut, who had a pretty bad game, excuses in the OP notwithstanding.
 
I disagree. Even goaltending and the Soviets still win, but Tretiak played significantly better than Liut, who had a pretty bad game, excuses in the OP notwithstanding.

Tretyak was of course better than Liut but not that much better to explain a 7 goal difference.

When you let players like Krutov, Shepelev, Larionov, Kapustin, Makarov, Golikov etc. so often to prime scoring areas you will lose the game no matter who is on the net.
 
I disagree. Even goaltending and the Soviets still win, but Tretiak played significantly better than Liut, who had a pretty bad game, excuses in the OP notwithstanding.

He didn't play 8-1 better. You're really overestimating the impact of one player.

Russia still wins if you switch goalies.
 
He didn't play 8-1 better. You're really overestimating the impact of one player.

Russia still wins if you switch goalies.

If he had (I said otherwise)...and they switched...what would the score have likely been?

Russia doesn't win with Liut in net, playing like he did, if Canada also has Tretiak in net, playing like Tretiak did. Tretiak would have stolen the game for Canada, against the poor play of Liut.

I understand you do not agree, but try not to overstate what I said.

...Even goaltending and the Soviets still win...

The Soviets outplayed Canada that game...especially in net
 
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If he had (I said otherwise)...and they switched...what would the score have likely been?

Russia doesn't win with Liut in net, playing like he did, if Canada also has Tretiak in net, playing like Tretiak did. Tretiak would have stolen the game for Canada, against the poor play of Liut.

I understand you do not agree, but try not to overstate what I said.

Why was Liut poor in that game? None of the goals that the Soviets scored were goalie's fault for the exception of the 7-1 goal, and possible the 8-1 goal. And the game had already been decided at that point.

It's true that Liut did not bail Canada out. Liut was not great or Hasek-like. But those goals were scored either from breakaways or from prime scoring areas with great shots. And Liut had to face the most accurate shooters in the world in those situations.
 
Why was Liut poor in that game? None of the goals that the Soviets scored were goalie's fault for the exception of the 7-1 goal, and possible the 8-1 goal. And the game had already been decided at that point.

It's true that Liut did not bail Canada out. Liut was not great or Hasek-like. But those goals were scored either from breakaways or from prime scoring areas with great shots. And Liut had to face the most accurate shooters in the world in those situations.

He wasn't tracking the puck well, his positioning was off, and his execution was poor on the shots. They certainly weren't all his fault, but to say he was faultless on the first 6 goals is pretty generous, to say the least.

Look at the first two goals against...he had a play on the puck both times prior to it getting in scoring position...you don't need to be Hasek level to get those away from the net, or block the pass.

 
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I was just a kid but I remember watching this game... from what I remember we were completely outplayed. Can't blame the goalie in an 8-1 loss. If he's really the problem then change the goalie.

Liut couldn't save us from a bad game, that's the worst that can really be said about him.

Then again, I haven't seen this game in about 30 years so...
 
He wasn't tracking the puck well, his positioning was off, and his execution was poor on the shots. They certainly weren't all his fault, but to say he was faultless on the first 6 goals is pretty generous, to say the least.

I agree. The defense was poor, but Liut played worse and a goalie at that level is supposed to make saves. He looked like he didn't know where the puck was half the time, and had poor reactions to stop the puck when he did.

Billy Smith would have been a helpful addition to the team had he not broken his hand. Liut may have won the Pearson, but finished 1981 in terrible shape, posting an abysmal.851 save percentage over his last 22 games (counting playoffs). If the 1981 Rangers beat him for 6 or more goals in three of his last five games (.822), I don't see why the Soviets couldn't torch him too. He also looked bad in training camp from what I've read, and people were surprised Mario Lessard didn't make the team instead of him or Edwards.

Combining Liut in freefall with Tretiak playing the best hockey he ever played, Canada may as well have spotted the Soviets a 4-0 lead and asked to play 6-on-6 with empty nets.
 
Liut certainly wasn't the only Canadian player who underachieved that night, but he didn't have a good game.

I wonder if things may have been different had Don Edwards got the start. Edwards had played well against the Soviets when they played Buffalo in a SuperSeries game. It may seem ridiculous to think that one player could change the outcome of a 8-1 game, but remember that the game was still close halfway through. A key save or two to keep it close, and Canada doesn't have to take as many chances, which doesn't give the Soviets the easy scoring chances they had in the third. Doubtful, but who knows?
 
Liut certainly wasn't the only Canadian player who underachieved that night, but he didn't have a good game.

I wonder if things may have been different had Don Edwards got the start. Edwards had played well against the Soviets when they played Buffalo in a SuperSeries game. It may seem ridiculous to think that one player could change the outcome of a 8-1 game, but remember that the game was still close halfway through. A key save or two to keep it close, and Canada doesn't have to take as many chances, which doesn't give the Soviets the easy scoring chances they had in the third. Doubtful, but who knows?

Edwards started the RR game and beat the Soviets with Myshkin in net, 7-3. I have heard/read that the final game was won psychologically by Tikhonov before the game started. By keeping Tretiak on the bench for the RR game, it gave Canada false hope. And Tretiak made many big saves early in the final game. Also, Tikhonov knew not to ruffle 99's feathers. He said, in an interview or his book, that he decided to go after Lafleur because he felt he had a better chance of getting him off his game. I don't think the defensive gaffe Lafleur made is indicative of what Tikhonov was trying to do, but more importantly, 99 was lackluster.
 
Edwards started the RR game and beat the Soviets with Myshkin in net, 7-3. I have heard/read that the final game was won psychologically by Tikhonov before the game started. By keeping Tretiak on the bench for the RR game, it gave Canada false hope. And Tretiak made many big saves early in the final game. Also, Tikhonov knew not to ruffle 99's feathers. He said, in an interview or his book, that he decided to go after Lafleur because he felt he had a better chance of getting him off his game. I don't think the defensive gaffe Lafleur made is indicative of what Tikhonov was trying to do, but more importantly, 99 was lackluster.

The Gretzky-Lafleur combo was also less effective with the loss of Perreault. According to Strachan's account, Dionne wasn't effective at all and the Soviets were happy to let him do as he pleased while they worried about Gretzky and Lafleur.
 
Liut didn't have a good game but he was completely abandoned defensively as Canada were shredded by the Russians.

He could have stood on his head and it would still have been 4-1 or 5-1 USSR.
 
Let's pause to remember that Canada scored 1 goal.

Therefore, a goalie who wasn't Liut would have had to stop 7 of the 8 goals Liut allowed in order for Canada to just tie after three periods.

If that other goalie had stopped merely 6 of the 8, it wouldn't have been enough.

(Yeah, I know all sorts of things could have happened otherwise, but you get my point.)


Difficult to win against world champions when your team scores 1 goal.
 
Switch goalies and Canada wins, no doubt, though probably nothing like 8-1

That's VERY unlikely, but I'll say this much; Canada was indeed somewhat unlucky not to have scored in the 1st period and early in the 2nd (I think Lafleur hit the goalpost once). I wouldn't say that they dominated the game per se, but they did have the better scoring chances at first.

On the other hand, even with TC having a 2-0 or 3-0 lead (at best), it is hard for me to see any different kind of outcome; the Soviets simply looked so utterly convincing and near-flawless from the 2nd period on. The young Green Unit, and the 'veterans' of the Spartak line were just flying in the game, and the 3rd & 4th lines complemented them very well, and Team Canada did not have any answer for that. I think basically every Soviet forward line was better than any Canadian line in the game.
 
That's VERY unlikely, but I'll say this much; Canada was indeed somewhat unlucky not to have scored in the 1st period and early in the 2nd (I think Lafleur hit the goalpost once). I wouldn't say that they dominated the game per se, but they did have the better scoring chances at first.

On the other hand, even with TC having a 2-0 or 3-0 lead (at best), it is hard for me to see any different kind of outcome; the Soviets simply looked so utterly convincing and near-flawless from the 2nd period on. The young Green Unit, and the 'veterans' of the Spartak line were just flying in the game, and the 3rd & 4th lines complemented them very well, and Team Canada did not have any answer for that. I think basically every Soviet forward line was better than any Canadian line in the game.

Why is it VERY unlikely that they Canada could not win with the tournament MVP, Tretiak, in net for them, while shooting against goalie who was off his game?

EVEN goaltending and Soviets still win, but Canada from the defence out, while not playing particularly well, were not playing 8-1 bad. They would have won with an MVP performance in net, if, I repeat if, there was a very lacklustre performance in the Soviet net.

Let's not pretend goaltending was not a factor. There were good reasons Tretiak was voted tournament MVP, and much of it was based on that game.
 
I think basically every Soviet forward line was better than any Canadian line in the game.
The same thing happened in the 1979 Challenge Cup. Every Soviet line outplayed the line it was playing against the NHL All Stars. I have never seen a Soviet team forecheck as well as they did in that Challenge Cup.

The Soviet team from that era is so underrated today, at least in North America. It is hard for Canadian hockey fans to admit that the best ever hockey team in the world is not Canadian.

You mentioned the young Green Unit and the Spartak line of Kapustin, Shepelev and Shalimov in that 1981 team. But the third line of Nikolai Drozdetsky, Vladimir Golikov and Alexander Maltsev was IMHO as good as those two lines. That Golikov's line was the best Soviet line in the 1981 World Championships (better than Krutov-Petrov-Makarov and Kapustin-Shepelev-Shalimov). Maltsev was injured earlier in the tournament and was replaced in that line by the utility man Irek Gimayev (utility man because he could play as a defenseman as well as a forward) that reduced the effectiveness of that line, as Maltsev was still one of the premier players in the world in 1981. Partly because of Maltsev's injury the Golikov's line did not play as well in the Canada Cup as it did in the World Championships that year.

Drozdetsky was considered a future superstar in 1981, but he never really made it that far. He had a fantastic WHC tournament in 1981, but after that he never managed to made a real breakthrough to international stardom. Apparently Tikhonov did not like him that much because Drozdetsky was always more of an individual than a team player. Players like Krutov and Makarov were superstars, but they always played with the team concept that Tikhonov wanted. Drozdetsky did not fit into Tikhonov's system and he was later left off from the 1983 WHC team, and after 1985 he was permanently left off the national team (even if he should have played there based on talent).

Maltsev of course is one of the all time greats. He is in the same category with Kharlamov, Petrov and Mikhailov.

The fourth Soviet line in the Canada Cup was Andrei Khomutov - Viktor Zhluktov - Alexander Skvortsov. Khomutov at 20 was the youngest player in the Soviet team. Khomutov had a fantastic career, and he was already a standout in 1981 as a young kid. His future linemate Slava Bykov was still playing in Chelyabinsk at that time.

Zhluktov and Skvortsov were veterans who both had experience from the 1976 Canada Cup.

Zhluktov is one of the most unique Soviet/Russian players of all time. Big, lanky, tall and deceptively fast centerman with great defensive skills. He used to be one of the leaders in the national team in 1975-1980 when he played with Kapustin and Balderis, but once Kapustin went to Spartak and Balderis returned to Riga the line was broken up and Zhluktov's role in the national team was reduced. But he was always one of the leaders of the national team and an important piece of the best hockey team of all time.

Skvortsov was a smallish and extremely sturdy winger. He was probably the best one of the famous Torpedo line of Varnakov - Kovin - Skvortsov, who played together in the 1979 Challenge Cup. The thing I remember best about Skvortsov is how the opposing players bounced off him when they tried to check him. He was also very speedy and shifty with great stickhandling moves.
 
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