Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[TheNumber4]

No excuses for this horrendous trade.

Were you guys really that tight to the cap. What was the cap used for? Help me understand.

 

[raymond23]

Lmao 17 points in 21 games

f*** off

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Can the future considerations be for them to give him back?

 

[Filppula]

Honestly, the most stupid trade since the Jarnkrok one. Just horrible.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Honestly, the most stupid trade since the Jarnkrok one. Just horrible.

We gave up a 2nd to get ripped off...

 

[Oddbob]

Help me understand why GMs have to be totally disclose and divulge their plans and thoughts on players before trading them. Other than injuries, why do GMs have to discuss with other GMs why they’re trading players or their locker room fits or issues? Isn’t that what scouts are for? Couldn’t that open up GMs to being accused of “blackballing “ players?

If GMs are dishonest with another GM they end up getting a bad rep and less likely for future deals either now or in the future.

 

[Oddbob]

So the thing that got him benched for SJ was him missing a treatment day for his injury. Made it seem like he maybe slept in or just blatantly forgot he was supposed to be at treatment to help his injury issue. That sounds like he is maybe not so professional which would rub a lot of management types the wrong way very easily.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

This was an all time bad trade for the red wings from yzerman. Up there with the Quincy trade. If we were going to use a 2nd to move someone why in gods name didn’t we use it on chiarot.

 

[Euro Twins]

I just don't see why this policy doesn't extend to people that are bad at hockey. You can come here and be terrible, no consequences, no worries, and no problem. If you're too quiet at his weekend barbecue, you're off the team immediately.

Because no top centers have been available. We have top tier guys making the team soon, cossa, asp, mbn in a couple years, but we have no top line centers coming. It's the only clear position of weakness within the prospect pipeline. In 2 years were going to have one of the deepest young squads in the league. But with enough experience that they don't end up the Sabres. And please spare the "they are the Sabres already" mantra. Were not.

 

[Gniwder]

Because no top centers have been available. We have top tier guys making the team soon, cossa, asp, mbn in a couple years, but we have no top line centers coming. It's the only clear position of weakness within the prospect pipeline. In 2 years were going to have one of the deepest young squads in the league. But with enough experience that they don't end up the Sabres. And please spare the "they are the Sabres already" mantra. Were not.

Horvat. If Stevie traded for him, the team would have made the playoffs last season easily. The trade would have been Kasper + Hronek for Horvat, Kasper is better than Raty.

The implication of course is that the team would not have ASP and Kasper, but it would have been a trade that made fans happy for a couple of seasons.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Horvat. If Stevie traded for him, the team would have made the playoffs last season easily. The trade would have been Kasper + Hronek for Horvat, Kasper is better than Raty.

The implication of course is that the team would not have ASP and Kasper, but it would have been a trade that made fans happy for a couple of seasons.

Horvat is 2nd line center on a bad-ish contract (depends on the rate of his decline how bad it really is) so it's a classical pitfall. You partially give up on the future potential to make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round. You can just see how it's working out for the Islanders who did make that trade. At least with his FA signings, Yzerman didn't give up anything of value. But in the scenario you give Detroit is out 2 very highly touted first-round prospects and is stuck with 2 two aging low-end guys as their 1C and 2C.

I am pretty critical of the Yzerplan but buying high-end pieces on the trade market as a rebuilding team is almost the worst thing you can do and it almost never works.

 

[Gniwder]

Horvat is 2nd line center on a bad-ish contract (depends on the rate of his decline how bad it really is) so it's a classical pitfall. You partially give up on the future potential to make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round. You can just see how it's working out for the Islanders who did make that trade. At least with his FA signings, Yzerman didn't give up anything of value. But in the scenario you give Detroit is out 2 very highly touted first-round prospects and is stuck with 2 two aging low-end guys as their 1C and 2C.

I am pretty critical of the Yzerplan but buying high-end pieces on the trade market as a rebuilding team is almost the worst thing you can do and it almost never works.

I'd rather have Horvat's contract instead of Copp and Compher's. I think Larkin/Horvat combo could make it to the second round. I don't see them taking the team to the Cup, but then again I don't see Danielson/Kasper combo taking the team to the Cup either.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I'd rather have Horvat's contract instead of Copp and Compher's. I think Larkin/Horvat combo could make it to the second round. I don't see them taking the team to the Cup, but then again I don't see Danielson/Kasper combo taking the team to the Cup either.

When Compher's contract expires Horvat will only be halfway through his so Copp (whose contract is even shorter) and Compher vs Horvat comparison isn't very fair.

Regarding the Cup winning chances, the Blues won with the O'Reilly-Schenn duo so you never know. As long as the players fill their roles reasonably competently and you can facilitate enough of a supporting cast you have a chance. The problem with Horvat is that with that contract he is likely to be a massive liability as 2C 5 years from now.

Horvat was a complete win-now move. It just does not make sense from the perspective of a team that cannot expect to be truly competitive in the next 2-3 years. Because after those 2-3 years the value of that contract starts to turn negative. Which is exactly the reason why Copp's or Compher's contracts suck to carry but they don't have long-term nagging consequences.