Waddell getting permission to talk to other teams(LeBrun) UPD: Stepped down, Tulsky Interim GM

[Kobe Armstrong]

Dundon's pockets still hurting from the Aho/Kotkaniemi offersheets

That 20mil in one calendar year really did a number

 

[Kranix]

I don't think this would be a good look for him

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Change your hair change your life

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Why do people hate ‘ole boys’ so much lmao

Yeah I don't get it especially with some of the veteran guy's like Wadell having success recently

I think it comes down to what's "progressive" and to some users on here hiring someone whose been around the League is going in the opposite direction of that..idk

 

[Crede777]

Yeah I don't get it especially with some of the veteran guy's like Wadell having success recently

I think it comes down to what's "progressive" and to some users on here hiring someone whose been around the League is going in the opposite direction of that..idk

I think it's as simple as: If established and available, then not good. Otherwise if they were good they wouldn't be available. So the only way to find good GM's is to take a risk on someone who isn't established.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Why do people hate ‘ole boys’ so much lmao

My problem with it is that it's usually guys who haven't accomplished all that much at the NHL level, and seem to be getting jobs because they have "experience" with little regard for what they've actually done in the past. Using Waddell as an example, he has a pretty mediocre history as a GM, with quite a few questionable trades, to go with a pretty mediocre draft history as GM, and even Carolina being a perennial playoff team during his tenure seems to be based pretty significantly on the drafting of his predecessor (Aho, Pesce, Slavin). To me, it seems like he's not really all that good at the primary job of a GM, which is to actually build a winning team, so I don't necessarily see the benefit of hiring him over giving someone "new" the chance. To me, it feels like the GM equivalent of signing a mediocre UFA instead of taking a chance on a youngster with upside.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Dundon's pockets still hurting from the Aho/Kotkaniemi offersheets

That 20mil in one calendar year really did a number

Previous posts from you:

At time of the offer sheet.
So what happens if the Canes match and Dundon doesn't have the money to pay Aho in 5 days?

Yet he had the money.

A few years later
Canes are going to have to say goodbye to Aho in 2 years. Don't know if he's going to Montreal or somehwere more fun, but homie is going to cashout as a 1st line player and he'll only be 26 years old. Carolina fans also troll Bergevin for signing Aho to a sweetheart deal, when it brought him to UFA 3 years earlier.

Yet, he had the money and the Canes re-signed Aho and he didn't go somewhere else. Not only that, by having only a 5 year deal from the offer sheet, Canes current deal with Aho only now goes to his early 30s, where if the first deal was 7-8 years and they signed him to another 8 year deal, it would have gone into his mid-late 30s. It worked out just fine for Carolina.

March of 2023 when talking about how much Cap Space the Canes are going to have.
Bergevin broke Dundon with that Aho offersheet years ago. No money left

Yet he had the money and the Canes went out and spent money on Orlov, Bunting, Staal, Andersen, Raanta, DeAngelo, Lemieux, etc.. and spent to the cap.

Now because he's letting Waddell explore the market.
Dundon's pockets still hurting from the Aho/Kotkaniemi offersheets.
That 20mil in one calendar year really did a number

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to admit that you're wrong about your unhealthy obsession with thinking Bergevin broke Dundon and that he doesn't have any money.

On top of that, because of how successful the team has been, they were at 100% attendance this year, have more STH than ever (even a wait list), have raised prices gaining more income and have been getting at least 2-3 rounds of playoff money each season. The real kicker though, is that because of Revenue sharing in the NHL, teams like MTL and Toronto are probably lining his pocketbook as well every seasons. Future expansion will continue to line his pockets as well. I think he's feeling pretty good about how things are going.

Plus, the Canes have an estimated value now of $825M. He bought the team for $420M.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Previous posts from you:

At time of the offer sheet.
So what happens if the Canes match and Dundon doesn't have the money to pay Aho in 5 days?

Yet he had the money.

A few years later
Canes are going to have to say goodbye to Aho in 2 years. Don't know if he's going to Montreal or somehwere more fun, but homie is going to cashout as a 1st line player and he'll only be 26 years old. Carolina fans also troll Bergevin for signing Aho to a sweetheart deal, when it brought him to UFA 3 years earlier.

Yet, he had the money and the Canes re-signed Aho and he didn't go somewhere else. Not only that, by having only a 5 year deal from the offer sheet, Canes current deal with Aho only now goes to his early 30s, where if the first deal was 7-8 years and they signed him to another 8 year deal, it would have gone into his mid-late 30s. It worked out just fine for Carolina.

March of 2023 when talking about how much Cap Space the Canes are going to have.
Bergevin broke Dundon with that Aho offersheet years ago. No money left

Yet he had the money and the Canes went out and spent money on Orlov, Bunting, Staal, Andersen, Raanta, DeAngelo, Lemieux, etc.. and spent to the cap.

Now because he's letting Waddell explore the market.
Dundon's pockets still hurting from the Aho/Kotkaniemi offersheets.
That 20mil in one calendar year really did a number

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to admit that you're wrong about your unhealthy obsession with thinking Bergevin broke Dundon and that he doesn't have any money.

On top of that, because of how successful the team has been, they were at 100% attendance this year, have more STH than ever (even a wait list), have raised prices gaining more income and have been getting at least 2-3 rounds of playoff money each season. The real kicker though, is that because of Revenue sharing in the NHL, teams like MTL and Toronto are probably lining his pocketbook as well every seasons. Future expansion will continue to line his pockets as well. I think he's feeling pretty good about how things are going.

Plus, the Canes have an estimated value now of $825M. He bought the team for $420M.

Damn, BBA brought out the receipts

 

[bleedgreen]

Much ado about nothing. Dundon lets his employees see what their value is elsewhere and generally reserves the right to match. That gives the employees satisfaction that they’re getting paid appropriately, and if they actually want the new job they’re happy there too. Either way the Canes don’t have an unhappy employee. If Dundon thinks the employee has out priced themselves then thank you for your service and everyone moves on. Waddell had this same thing go down a few years ago and came back.

In the meantime the Canes are run by committee and in terms of being a gm Waddell is a bit of a figure head more than a decision maker. As fans we call the management “the Borg” for a reason. Tulsky and Yorke have been doing a huge amount of the actual legwork behind the scenes for years and are both appropriate internal choices for the job - and neither would require the team shift gears in any way. They’re already existing inside the system, they’d just have a new title. Tulsky has been up for other GM jobs already and is an obvious good choice for a replacement. I’m listening to Sirius this morning and they’re tearing the team up blaming Dundon for being cheap and not wanting to keep good people around….tell us you know nothing about the Canes without saying you know nothing about the Canes.

We haven’t gotten over the hump so change isn’t out of order, but we’ve been a good team so tearing it all down doesn’t make sense either. Therefore…internal replacement. Then find someone else to do the team president side of things…or Waddell takes his new offer to Dundon so they know what he’s worth financially and Dundon pays it. The two of them have always had a good relationship despite the negotiations.

 

[hangman005]

I'll be the Canes GM

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dundon is seemingly a good owner because his team is doing well but he's kind of a clown for letting all this stuff constantly get brought to public.

People tend to appreciate being given the opportunity to test the market. Dundon’s letting Waddell do that in order to set the bar for negotiations. What’s wrong with that?

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

I wish I could fail upward like some of the f***in goobers that continuously get hired by NHL teams.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

The amount of money paid to a GM shouldn't be a setting a serious team into financial trouble.

Never said it would. But you have to have an internal cap for everything in business. There has to be a point where you will not pay more for a person/product/service.

If he wants more than he’s worth to them and they’re already doing the job by committee then you let him go do better for himself elsewhere.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Will Columbus have two GM's now with Waddell and Holland.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I wish I could fail upward like some of the f***in goobers that continuously get hired by NHL teams.

Yup, what a “goober” Waddell has been helping turn Carolina from a joke of a team that was forever stuck in no-man’s land into a top team in the league.

Gotta wonder how the guy even has a job, right?

 

[Koivu11]

 

[Chrispy]

My problem with it is that it's usually guys who haven't accomplished all that much at the NHL level, and seem to be getting jobs because they have "experience" with little regard for what they've actually done in the past. Using Waddell as an example, he has a pretty mediocre history as a GM, with quite a few questionable trades, to go with a pretty mediocre draft history as GM, and even Carolina being a perennial playoff team during his tenure seems to be based pretty significantly on the drafting of his predecessor (Aho, Pesce, Slavin). To me, it seems like he's not really all that good at the primary job of a GM, which is to actually build a winning team, so I don't necessarily see the benefit of hiring him over giving someone "new" the chance. To me, it feels like the GM equivalent of signing a mediocre UFA instead of taking a chance on a youngster with upside.

They've made good trades with Waddell as GM as well, though.

The run of playoffs probably doesn't start without the Hamilton trade. It was an expensive deal giving up Lindholm and Hanifin, but a young top pairing RD signed at a resonable AAV for 3 years isn't cheap.

Rask for Nino was a huge move in that first season's run to the playoffs and added a good piece for a few years.

Darling for Reimer turned a potential buyout into a legitimate backup goalie for 2 years.

He was able to bring in veterans like Burns and Pacioretty for next to nothing. Pacioretty ended up never being healthy in Carolina, but Burns has been a successful move.

He made deadline deals in 2020 for Trocheck and Skjei that stayed with the team for 2+ years and 4+ years, respectively. Good deadline deals that helped the team longer-term.

For the most part his moves have been good and he's been at least involved in some major moves where he was either outbid at the last moment (Necas+ for Tkachuk was outbid by Florida in a way Carolina couldn't match) or put a bid that was competitive out there that was rejected for another (Meier.)

Was I concerned when he was moved from hockey ops / business to GM? Yes, but Waddell's done well with the committee around him.

 

[MOGlLNY]

People tend to appreciate being given the opportunity to test the market. Dundon’s letting Waddell do that in order to set the bar for negotiations. What’s wrong with that?

Feels to me more of a hardline thing than setting the bar for negotiations. Similarly I don't think someone like RBA needs to put something out to the media that extension talks are going terribly in order to get something done.

For me it just feels disrespectful to guys who have done a good job turning around your franchise that they have to take to the public to negotiate with the owner who won't budge. But if Carolina fans don't care, I guess it's not a big deal.

I just feel like the way Dundon runs this team is really going to grate Hurricanes fans the second the team stops being at the top of the league. But winning cures all and what not.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The amount of money paid to a GM shouldn't be a setting a serious team into financial trouble.

On the other side of the coin, why should GMs be able to write their own salaries? That’s how you end up paying a coach $8M a year to NOT coach for your team after he gets fired.

These organizations make a lot of money, but it’s not literally unlimited. A million dollars wasted is a million dollars that didn’t improve the organization elsewhere. It seems perfectly sensible to play the market on salaries and not just write blank checks.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Feels to me more of a hardline thing than setting the bar for negotiations. Similarly I don't think someone like RBA needs to put something out to the media that extension talks are going terribly in order to get something done.

For me it just feels disrespectful to guys who have done a good job turning around your franchise that they have to take to the public to negotiate with the owner who won't budge. But if Carolina fans don't care, I guess it's not a big deal.

I just feel like the way Dundon runs this team is really going to grate Hurricanes fans the second the team stops being at the top of the league. But winning cures all and what not.

I kind of doubt Waddell was the one who leaked it. The leak happened simultaneously to him interviewing in Columbus. Most likely the leaks are coming from someone who was involved in that interview.

It would feel a little different if we hadn’t seen this the last time he was up for renewal. Dundon gave him permission to interview with Minnesota, and he did, and then he ended up taking the Carolina offer and there was never any sense of hard feelings about it.

 

[Crede777]

With Waddell just now stepping down and Tulsky taking over as interim GM - Do we think Carolina is looking for a short term replacement for Waddell while Tulsky gets more experience as AGM? If Tulsky were the heir apparent, I don't think Carolina would be searching externally for a full time GM...

 

[Chrispy]

With Waddell just now stepping down and Tulsky taking over as interim GM - Do we think Carolina is looking for a short term replacement for Waddell while Tulsky gets more experience?

I think Carolina would look for someone to take on the front-facing side who would talk more with the media and discuss trades with other GMs while Tulsky does more of the heavy lifting behind the scenes. The decisions will continue to be made by the committee in place today, just replacing Waddell with one new face.

Is there someone out there who would be interested in such a role and whatever title it gets (President/Director of Hockey Operations with Tulsky as GM?)? Remains to be seen.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I kind of doubt Waddell was the one who leaked it. The leak happened simultaneously to him interviewing in Columbus. Most likely the leaks are coming from someone who was involved in that interview.

It would feel a little different if we hadn’t seen this the last time he was up for renewal. Dundon gave him permission to interview with Minnesota, and he did, and then he ended up taking the Carolina offer and there was never any sense of hard feelings about it.

Maybe - but it feels like there's the same common denominator here through the years and this happening multiple times to RBA and Waddell.

 

[Laus723]

Why do people hate ‘ole boys’ so much lmao

They don’t know. It’s trendy is all, imo. 3 of the 4 coaches in the Conference Finals are “old boys.”

 

[hangman005]

I'll be the Canes GM

Must have heard I was available

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Dundon's pockets still hurting from the Aho/Kotkaniemi offersheets

That 20mil in one calendar year really did a number