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quoipourquoi

quoipourquoi

Goaltender
Jan 26, 2009
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4,134
Hockeytown, MI
There’s 32 of these, so in order to avoid cluttering HOH, I’m thinking 3-per-thread. All participants should be getting the survey soon too. And I’ll be adding the linking to the main thread on Monday or Tuesday.


VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
quoipourquoi1Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Patrick Roy
quoipourquoi2Gordie Howe1192Gordie Howe2Maurice Richard
quoipourquoi3Bobby Orr1183Bobby Orr3Bobby Hull
quoipourquoi4Mario Lemieux1174Mario Lemieux4Jean Beliveau
quoipourquoi5Patrick Roy1165Patrick Roy5Howie Morenz
quoipourquoi6Maurice Richard1156Maurice Richard6Eddie Shore
quoipourquoi7Bobby Hull1147Bobby Hull7Sidney Crosby
quoipourquoi8Jean Beliveau1138Jean Beliveau8Doug Harvey
quoipourquoi9Howie Morenz1129Doug Harvey9Ray Bourque
quoipourquoi10Eddie Shore11110Ray Bourque10Dominik Hasek
quoipourquoi11Jacques Plante110 3 4
quoipourquoi12Sidney Crosby1091Howie Morenz1Jacques Plante
quoipourquoi13Doug Harvey1082Eddie Shore2Mark Messier
quoipourquoi14Mark Messier1073Sidney Crosby3Jaromir Jagr
quoipourquoi15Jaromir Jagr1064Jacques Plante4Frank Nighbor
quoipourquoi16Terry Sawchuk1055Mark Messier5Alex Ovechkin
quoipourquoi17Ray Bourque1046Jaromir Jagr6Red Kelly
quoipourquoi18Frank Nighbor1037Ray Bourque7Guy Lafleur
quoipourquoi19Alex Ovechkin1028Alex Ovechkin8Phil Esposito
quoipourquoi20Red Kelly1019Dominik Hasek9Nicklas Lidstrom
quoipourquoi21Guy Lafleur10010Nicklas Lidstrom10Denis Potvin
quoipourquoi22Dominik Hasek99 5 6
quoipourquoi23Denis Potvin981Mark Messier1Terry Sawchuk
quoipourquoi24Stan Mikita972Terry Sawchuk2Phil Esposito
quoipourquoi25Phil Esposito963Frank Nighbor3Glenn Hall
quoipourquoi26Glenn Hall954Alex Ovechkin4Joe Sakic
quoipourquoi27Newsy Lalonde945Guy Lafleur5Martin Brodeur
quoipourquoi28Joe Sakic936Phil Esposito6Bobby Clarke
quoipourquoi29Ken Dryden927Stan Mikita7Bryan Trottier
quoipourquoi30Syl Apps918Glenn Hall8Mike Bossy
quoipourquoi31Martin Brodeur909Martin Brodeur9Cyclone Taylor
quoipourquoi32Bobby Clarke8910Bobby Clarke10Viacheslav Fetisov
quoipourquoi33Steve Yzerman88 7 8
quoipourquoi34Evgeni Malkin871Terry Sawchuk1Paul Coffey
quoipourquoi35Nicklas Lidstrom862Joe Sakic2Terry Sawchuk
quoipourquoi36Bryan Trottier853Newsy Lalonde3Ken Dryden
quoipourquoi37Paul Coffey844Steve Yzerman4Newsy Lalonde
quoipourquoi38Bill Durnan835Martin Brodeur5Steve Yzerman
quoipourquoi39Peter Forsberg826Bryan Trottier6Mike Bossy
quoipourquoi40Mike Bossy817Cyclone Taylor7Larry Robinson
quoipourquoi41Cyclone Taylor808Mike Bossy8Chris Chelios
quoipourquoi42Larry Robinson799Bill Cook9Ted Lindsay
quoipourquoi43Chris Chelios7810Larry Robinson10Brad Park
quoipourquoi44Ted Kennedy77 9 10
quoipourquoi45Frank Brimsek761Paul Coffey1Paul Coffey
quoipourquoi46Chris Pronger752Ken Dryden2Ken Dryden
quoipourquoi47Bill Cook743Syl Apps3Syl Apps
quoipourquoi48Teemu Selanne734Vladislav Tretiak4Peter Forsberg
quoipourquoi49Bernie Geoffrion725Chris Chelios5Vladislav Tretiak
quoipourquoi50Marcel Dionne716King Clancy6Milt Schmidt
quoipourquoi51Clint Benedict707Frank Boucher7Charlie Conacher
quoipourquoi52Charlie Conacher698Charlie Conacher8Bernie Geoffrion
quoipourquoi53Sprague Cleghorn689Valeri Kharlamov9Henri Richard
quoipourquoi54Ted Lindsay6710Henri Richard10Pierre Pilote
quoipourquoi55Henri Richard66 11 12
quoipourquoi56Turk Broda651Peter Forsberg1Frank Brimsek
quoipourquoi57Frank Mahovlich642Vladislav Tretiak2Chris Pronger
quoipourquoi58King Clancy633Frank Brimsek3Ted Kennedy
quoipourquoi59Milt Schmidt624Milt Schmidt4Marcel Dionne
quoipourquoi60Ed Belfour615Evgeni Malkin5Charlie Conacher
quoipourquoi61Georges Vezina606Marcel Dionne6Sprague Cleghorn
quoipourquoi62Andy Bathgate597Charlie Conacher7Earl Seibert
quoipourquoi63Brad Park588Earl Seibert8Bernie Geoffrion
quoipourquoi64Frank Boucher579Bernie Geoffrion9Frank Mahovlich
quoipourquoi65Scott Stevens5610Pierre Pilote10Andy Bathgate
quoipourquoi66Earl Seibert55 13 14
quoipourquoi67Tony Esposito541Teemu Selanne1Bill Durnan
quoipourquoi68Viacheslav Fetisov532Marcel Dionne2Teemu Selanne
quoipourquoi69Brett Hull523Earl Seibert3Clint Benedict
quoipourquoi70Joe Malone514Bernie Geoffrion4Georges Vezina
quoipourquoi71Vladislav Tretiak505Georges Vezina5Al MacInnis
quoipourquoi72Charlie Gardiner496Frank Mahovlich6Joe Malone
quoipourquoi73Pierre Pilote487Scott Stevens7Cy Denneny
quoipourquoi74Bernie Parent478Andy Bathgate8Frank Mahovlich
quoipourquoi75Al MacInnis469Al MacInnis9Tim Horton
quoipourquoi76Sergei Makarov4510Tim Horton10Dickie Moore
quoipourquoi77Roberto Luongo44 15 16
quoipourquoi78Cy Denneny431Bill Durnan1Bill Durnan
quoipourquoi79Martin St. Louis422Clint Benedict2Turk Broda
quoipourquoi80Tim Horton413Turk Broda3Brett Hull
quoipourquoi81Joe Thornton404Brett Hull4Charlie Gardiner
quoipourquoi82Dickie Moore395Joe Malone5Cy Denneny
quoipourquoi83Sergei Fedorov386Cy Denneny6Sergei Fedorov
quoipourquoi84Erik Karlsson377Frank Mahovlich7Max Bentley
quoipourquoi85Johnny Bower368Jari Kurri8Aurele Joliat
quoipourquoi86Max Bentley359Dit Clapper9Boris Mikhailov
quoipourquoi87Brian Leetch3410Anatoli Firsov10Jari Kurri
quoipourquoi88Valeri Kharlamov33 17 18
quoipourquoi89Dit Clapper321Bill Durnan1Ed Belfour
quoipourquoi90Henrik Lundqvist312Turk Broda2Martin St. Louis
quoipourquoi91Eric Lindros303Brett Hull3Sergei Fedorov
quoipourquoi92Aurele Joliat294Sergei Fedorov4Eric Lindros
quoipourquoi93Billy Smith285Elmer Lach5Zdeno Chara
quoipourquoi94Borje Salming276Borje Salming6Bill Cowley
quoipourquoi95Ron Francis267Brian Leetch7Brian Leetch
quoipourquoi96Anatoli Firsov258Boris Mikhailov8Boris Mikhailov
quoipourquoi97Scott Niedermayer249Nels Stewart9Nels Stewart
quoipourquoi98Bill Gadsby2310Bill Gadsby10Bill Gadsby
quoipourquoi99Jarome Iginla22 19 20
quoipourquoi100Boris Mikhailov211Tony Esposito1Tony Esposito
quoipourquoi101Grant Fuhr202Martin St. Louis2Martin St. Louis
quoipourquoi102Zdeno Chara193Joe Thornton3Bernie Parent
quoipourquoi103Roy Worters184Patrick Kane4Erik Karlsson
quoipourquoi104Toe Blake175Eric Lindros5Eric Lindros
quoipourquoi105Curtis Joseph166Erik Karlsson6Johnny Bower
quoipourquoi106Patrick Kane157Nels Stewart7Pavel Bure
quoipourquoi107Jari Kurri148Brian Leetch8Brian Leetch
quoipourquoi108Elmer Lach139Bill Gadsby9Jiri Holecek
quoipourquoi109Paul Kariya1210Toe Blake10Russell Bowie
quoipourquoi110Alexander Maltsev11 21
quoipourquoi111George Hainsworth101Tony Esposito
quoipourquoi112Pavel Bure92Bernie Parent
quoipourquoi113Nels Stewart83Erik Karlsson
quoipourquoi114Vladimir Martinec74Johnny Bower
quoipourquoi115Tiny Thompson65Ron Francis
quoipourquoi116Duncan Keith56Scott Niedermayer
quoipourquoi117Frank McGee47Pavel Bure
quoipourquoi118Jiri Holecek38Jiri Holecek
quoipourquoi119Gump Worsley29Russell Bowie
quoipourquoi120Hayley Wickenheiser110Eddie Gerard
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VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
Canadiens19581Bobby Orr1201Bobby Orr1Jean Beliveau
Canadiens19582Gordie Howe1192Gordie Howe2Doug Harvey
Canadiens19583Jean Beliveau1183Jean Beliveau3Bobby Hull
Canadiens19584Doug Harvey1174Doug Harvey4Maurice Richard
Canadiens19585Mario Lemieux1165Mario Lemieux5Howie Morenz
Canadiens19586Wayne Gretzky1156Bobby Hull6Ray Bourque
Canadiens19587Maurice Richard1147Wayne Gretzky7Eddie Shore
Canadiens19588Bobby Hull1138Maurice Richard8Patrick Roy
Canadiens19589Howie Morenz1129Ray Bourque9Sidney Crosby
Canadiens195810Ray Bourque11110Patrick Roy10Dominik Hasek
Canadiens195811Jacques Plante110 3 4
Canadiens195812Red Kelly1091Howie Morenz1Jacques Plante
Canadiens195813Eddie Shore1082Ray Bourque2Red Kelly
Canadiens195814Terry Sawchuk1073Jacques Plante3Denis Potvin
Canadiens195815Martin Brodeur1064Eddie Shore4Frank Nighbor
Canadiens195816Denis Potvin1055Denis Potvin5Mark Messier
Canadiens195817Larry Robinson1046Mark Messier6Guy Lafleur
Canadiens195818Glenn Hall1037Stan Mikita7Stan Mikita
Canadiens195819Ken Dryden1028Nicklas Lidstrom8Nicklas Lidstrom
Canadiens195820Mark Messier1019Sidney Crosby9Phil Esposito
Canadiens195821Frank Nighbor10010Dominik Hasek10Jaromir Jagr
Canadiens195822Stan Mikita99 5 6
Canadiens195823Guy Lafleur981Frank Nighbor1Martin Brodeur
Canadiens195824Patrick Roy972Martin Brodeur2Viacheslav Fetisov
Canadiens195825Nicklas Lidstrom963Viacheslav Fetisov3Glenn Hall
Canadiens195826Bobby Clarke954Glenn Hall4Terry Sawchuk
Canadiens195827Viacheslav Fetisov945Terry Sawchuk5Bobby Clarke
Canadiens195828Joe Sakic936Mark Messier6Joe Sakic
Canadiens195829Bryan Trottier927Guy Lafleur7Bryan Trottier
Canadiens195830Phil Esposito918Stan Mikita8Phil Esposito
Canadiens195831Mike Bossy909Bobby Clarke9Mike Bossy
Canadiens195832Sidney Crosby8910Phil Esposito10Cyclone Taylor
Canadiens195833Newsy Lalonde88 7 8
Canadiens195834Dominik Hasek871Martin Brodeur1Larry Robinson
Canadiens195835Ted Kennedy862Larry Robinson2Ken Dryden
Canadiens195836Henri Richard853Terry Sawchuk3Terry Sawchuk
Canadiens195837Ted Lindsay844Joe Sakic4Mike Bossy
Canadiens195838Milt Schmidt835Bryan Trottier5Newsy Lalonde
Canadiens195839Steve Yzerman826Mike Bossy6Ted Lindsay
Canadiens195840Syl Apps817Bill Cook7Chris Chelios
Canadiens195841Cyclone Taylor808Newsy Lalonde8Brad Park
Canadiens195842Bill Cook799Ted Lindsay9Paul Coffey
Canadiens195843Chris Chelios7810Cyclone Taylor10Steve Yzerman
Canadiens195844Brad Park77 9 10
Canadiens195845Serge Savard761Ken Dryden1Ken Dryden
Canadiens195846Frank Boucher752Henri Richard2Henri Richard
Canadiens195847Dickie Moore743Chris Chelios3Milt Schmidt
Canadiens195848Vladislav Tretiak734Brad Park4Syl Apps
Canadiens195849Jaromir Jagr725Frank Boucher5Brad Park
Canadiens195850Bernie Geoffrion716Syl Apps6Charlie Conacher
Canadiens195851Charlie Conacher707Charlie Conacher7Bernie Geoffrion
Canadiens195852Valeri Kharlamov698Paul Coffey8Paul Coffey
Canadiens195853Sergei Makarov689King Clancy9Pierre Pilote
Canadiens195854Frank Mahovlich6710Pierre Pilote10Vladislav Tretiak
Canadiens195855Jacques Lemaire66 11 12
Canadiens195856Guy Lapointe651Milt Schmidt1Ted Kennedy
Canadiens195857Chris Pronger642Vladislav Tretiak2Sprague Cleghorn
Canadiens195858Paul Coffey633Bernie Geoffrion3Charlie Conacher
Canadiens195859Alex Ovechkin624Charlie Conacher4Frank Brimsek
Canadiens195860Joe Malone615Pierre Pilote5Earl Seibert
Canadiens195861King Clancy606Frank Brimsek6Tim Horton
Canadiens195862Pierre Pilote597Earl Seibert7Chris Pronger
Canadiens195863Eddie Gerard588Peter Forsberg8Bernie Geoffrion
Canadiens195864Georges Vezina579Evgeni Malkin9Frank Mahovlich
Canadiens195865Bill Durnan5610Marcel Dionne10Andy Bathgate
Canadiens195866Frank Brimsek55 13 14
Canadiens195867Clint Benedict541Earl Seibert1Dickie Moore
Canadiens195868Turk Broda532Georges Vezina2Georges Vezina
Canadiens195869Elmer Lach523Tim Horton3Tim Horton
Canadiens195870Dave Keon514Al MacInnis4Bill Durnan
Canadiens195871Max Bentley505Scott Stevens5Dit Clapper
Canadiens195872Nels Stewart496Bernie Geoffrion6Clint Benedict
Canadiens195873Dit Clapper487Teemu Selanne7Al MacInnis
Canadiens195874Earl Seibert478Frank Mahovlich8Joe Malone
Canadiens195875Sprague Cleghorn469Andy Bathgate9Frank Mahovlich
Canadiens195876Tim Horton4510Marcel Dionne10Cy Denneny
Canadiens195877Aurele Joliat44 15 16
Canadiens195878Toe Blake431Bill Durnan1Aurele Joliat
Canadiens195879Bill Cowley422Frank Mahovlich2Bill Durnan
Canadiens195880Cy Denneny413Dit Clapper3Charlie Gardiner
Canadiens195881Peter Forsberg404Joe Malone4Turk Broda
Canadiens195882Sergei Fedorov395Brett Hull5Max Bentley
Canadiens195883Peter Stastny386Jari Kurri6Jari Kurri
Canadiens195884Charlie Gardiner377Cy Denneny7Cy Denneny
Canadiens195885Johnny Bower368Clint Benedict8Sergei Fedorov
Canadiens195886George Hainsworth359Turk Broda9Boris Mikhailov
Canadiens195887Hap Holmes3410Anatoli Firsov10Brett Hull
Canadiens195888Tony Esposito33 17 18
Canadiens195889Bernie Parent321Bill Durnan1Bill Gadsby
Canadiens195890Bill Gadsby312Elmer Lach2Nels Stewart
Canadiens195891Valeri Vasiliev303Nels Stewart3Bill Cowley
Canadiens195892Borje Salming294Turk Broda4Martin St. Louis
Canadiens195893Jari Kurri285Bill Gadsby5Ed Belfour
Canadiens195894Evgeni Malkin276Borje Salming6Brian Leetch
Canadiens195895Sweeney Schriner267Brett Hull7Duncan Keith
Canadiens195896Boris Mikhailov258Sergei Fedorov8Eric Lindros
Canadiens195897Gilbert Perreault249Brian Leetch9Sergei Fedorov
Canadiens195898Martin St. Louis2310Boris Mikhailov10Zdeno Chara
Canadiens195899Brett Hull22 19 20
Canadiens1958100Jonathan Toews211Serge Savard1Serge Savard
Canadiens1958101Johnny Bucyk202Eddie Gerard2Eddie Gerard
Canadiens1958102Teemu Selanne193Dave Keon3Dave Keon
Canadiens1958103Syd Howe184Nels Stewart4Toe Blake
Canadiens1958104Scott Stevens175Toe Blake5Mark Howe
Canadiens1958105Brian Leetch166Bill Gadsby6Johnny Bower
Canadiens1958106Mark Howe157Tony Esposito7Bernie Parent
Canadiens1958107Georges Boucher148Peter Stastny8Peter Stastny
Canadiens1958108Duncan Keith139Mark Howe9Martin St. Louis
Canadiens1958109Erik Karlsson1210Martin St. Louis10Russell Bowie
Canadiens1958110Bob Gainey11 21
Canadiens1958111Patrice Bergeron101Serge Savard
Canadiens1958112Pavel Datsyuk92Eddie Gerard
Canadiens1958113Alex Delvecchio83Peter Stastny
Canadiens1958114Yvan Cournoyer74Johnny Bower
Canadiens1958115Marian Hossa65Tony Esposito
Canadiens1958116Vladimir Martinec56Bernie Parent
Canadiens1958117Jack Stewart47Toe Blake
Canadiens1958118Nikolai Sologubov38Sid Abel
Canadiens1958119Alexander Yakushev29Valeri Vasiliev
Canadiens1958120Anatoli Firsov110Russell Bowie
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VoterRankPlayerPoints 1 2
steve1411Wayne Gretzky1201Wayne Gretzky1Doug Harvey
steve1412Bobby Orr1192Bobby Orr2Jean Beliveau
steve1413Gordie Howe1183Gordie Howe3Dominik Hasek
steve1414Mario Lemieux1174Mario Lemieux4Ray Bourque
steve1415Doug Harvey1165Doug Harvey5Patrick Roy
steve1416Dominik Hasek1156Jean Beliveau6Maurice Richard
steve1417Patrick Roy1147Patrick Roy7Bobby Hull
steve1418Jean Beliveau1138Ray Bourque8Howie Morenz
steve1419Ray Bourque1129Maurice Richard9Sidney Crosby
steve14110Maurice Richard11110Bobby Hull10Eddie Shore
steve14111Jacques Plante110 3 4
steve14112Frank Nighbor1091Dominik Hasek1Frank Nighbor
steve14113Bobby Hull1082Ray Bourque2Nicklas Lidstrom
steve14114Nicklas Lidstrom1073Jacques Plante3Jacques Plante
steve14115Glenn Hall1064Nicklas Lidstrom4Jaromir Jagr
steve14116Howie Morenz1055Howie Morenz5Stan Mikita
steve14117Eddie Shore1046Sidney Crosby6Red Kelly
steve14118Sidney Crosby1037Eddie Shore7Denis Potvin
steve14119Jaromir Jagr1028Jaromir Jagr8Mark Messier
steve14120Stan Mikita1019Alex Ovechkin9Guy Lafleur
steve14121Red Kelly10010Denis Potvin10Phil Esposito
steve14122Sergei Makarov99 5 6
steve14123Bobby Clarke981Frank Nighbor1Glenn Hall
steve14124Denis Potvin972Bobby Clarke2Sergei Makarov
steve14125Terry Sawchuk963Glenn Hall3Bobby Clarke
steve14126Mark Messier954Stan Mikita4Martin Brodeur
steve14127Guy Lafleur945Guy Lafleur5Viacheslav Fetisov
steve14128Ken Dryden936Mark Messier6Bryan Trottier
steve14129Bill Cook927Alex Ovechkin7Terry Sawchuk
steve14130Martin Brodeur918Martin Brodeur8Phil Esposito
steve14131Alex Ovechkin909Viacheslav Fetisov9Joe Sakic
steve14132Viacheslav Fetisov8910Terry Sawchuk10Cyclone Taylor
steve14133Vladislav Tretiak88 7 8
steve14134Bryan Trottier871Bill Cook1Chris Chelios
steve14135Phil Esposito862Martin Brodeur2Terry Sawchuk
steve14136Joe Sakic853Bryan Trottier3Steve Yzerman
steve14137Chris Chelios844Joe Sakic4Brad Park
steve14138Frank Brimsek835Terry Sawchuk5Ken Dryden
steve14139Georges Vezina826Steve Yzerman6Ted Lindsay
steve14140Ted Lindsay817Ted Lindsay7Mike Bossy
steve14141Brad Park808Cyclone Taylor8Larry Robinson
steve14142Henri Richard799Mike Bossy9Newsy Lalonde
steve14143Charlie Gardiner7810Larry Robinson10Paul Coffey
steve14144Mike Bossy77 9
steve14145Earl Seibert761Chris Chelios
steve14146Cyclone Taylor752Vladislav Tretiak
steve14147King Clancy743Henri Richard
steve14148Clint Benedict734Brad Park
steve14149Steve Yzerman725King Clancy
steve14150Charlie Conacher716Charlie Conacher
steve14151Larry Robinson707Ken Dryden
steve14152Turk Broda698Pierre Pilote
steve14153Newsy Lalonde689Paul Coffey
steve14154Pierre Pilote6710Frank Boucher
steve14155Sprague Cleghorn66
steve14156Paul Coffey65
steve14157Bill Durnan64
steve14158Bernie Geoffrion63
steve14159Jiri Holecek62
steve14160Serge Savard61
steve14161Syl Apps60
steve14162Frank Boucher59
steve14163Ed Belfour58
steve14164Andy Bathgate57
steve14165Tony Esposito56
steve14166Milt Schmidt55
steve14167Dit Clapper54
steve14168Tim Horton53
steve14169Bernie Parent52
steve14170Anatoli Firsov51
steve14171Peter Forsberg50
steve14172Cy Denneny49
steve14173Roy Worters48
steve14174Frank Mahovlich47
steve14175Aurele Joliat46
steve14176Al MacInnis45
steve14177Dickie Moore44
steve14178Johnny Bower43
steve14179Scott Stevens42
steve14180Borje Salming41
steve14181Ted Kennedy40
steve14182Brett Hull39
steve14183Valeri Kharlamov38
steve14184Boris Mikhailov37
steve14185Bill Gadsby36
steve14186Tiny Thompson35
steve14187Jari Kurri34
steve14188Chris Pronger33
steve14189Teemu Selanne32
steve14190Marcel Dionne31
steve14191Eddie Gerard30
steve14192Billy Smith29
steve14193Toe Blake28
steve14194Max Bentley27
steve14195Hugh Lehman26
steve14196Mark Howe25
steve14197Adam Oates24
steve14198Evgeni Malkin23
steve14199Valeri Vasiliev22 20
steve141100George Hainsworth21 1Jiri Holecek
steve141101Grant Fuhr20 2Serge Savard
steve141102Sergei Fedorov19 3Valeri Vasiliev
steve141103Dave Keon18 4Mark Howe
steve141104Joe Malone17 5Dave Keon
steve141105Jack Stewart16 6Erik Karlsson
steve141106Martin St. Louis15 7Eddie Gerard
steve141107Norm Ullman14 8Johnny Bower
steve141108Elmer Lach13 9Tony Esposito
steve141109Bill Quackenbush12 10Bernie Parent
steve141110Gump Worsley11
steve141111Bill Cowley10
steve141112Brian Leetch9
steve141113Nels Stewart8
steve141114Doug Bentley7
steve141115Jean Ratelle6
steve141116Tom Barrasso5
steve141117Ching Johnson4
steve141118Sid Abel3
steve141119Pavel Bure2
steve141120Busher Jackson1
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We used to publish the full round 2 voting record of each participant, didn't we?
 
I wanted to see QPQ's and Steve141's voting record before claiming that I was the most goalie-friendly participant in R2.

.... And I just think I was.
EDIT : ... if you totally ignore that Terry Sawchuk and Vladislav Tretiak are goalies :)
 
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quoipourquoi said:
Slide your thumb for right to left on the table. Table should move (at least it does on my iPhone).
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I already did.

Still, desktop solves the issue for me. I needed to have the whole thing (1-10) in sight to get it. On the small mobile display, you only view a section and not the whole structure, which confused me.

Thanks guys.
 
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Theokritos said:
I already did.

Still, desktop solves the issue for me. I needed to have the whole thing (1-10) in sight to get it. On the small mobile display, you only view a section and not the whole structure, which confused me.

Thanks guys.
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I'd have given the details first, but I'm currently using IE7, and thus was soundly beaten by QPQ to the explanation.
 
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Despite only being the highest on two goaltenders (Durnan and Joseph), I went goalie as #1 in 13 rounds including all of 14-21.

I ran pretty dry on wingers between Lafleur and Bossy, but I generally seem to have more balance across C/W/D/G than what we saw in the final list, which probably explains why I really felt we were behind on goaltenders in general as we got towards the end of the list - even if I wasn’t necessarily an outlier for any individual one except Durnan, who I had 7 spots ahead of the next highest voter.
 
.... I was a Screener in this project.
The bad thing is, having hanged around for a while, I could often guess the author of the lists.

I had guessed, accurately, @quoipourquoi's list. I didn't agree a lot with it, except as to the amount of goaltenders deserving to make it, but it wasn't anything I'd call problematic. Malkin-as-2nd-best-Russian did feel odd ... but as someone who (now) agrees that the two best québecois players are born on the exact same day, it's possible.

I had guessed accurately @Canadiens1958's list (it was Super Mario Bros. 1-1 difficulty level). I didn'T expect Erik Karlsson ranked. Didn't agree with some aspects, but saw no issue.

I hadn't guessed @steve141's came up with that list. I personnally really liked it on substance, but there were two issues (who felt, to a certain extent, like one issue) : no one born between MSL (1975) and Ovie (1985), which would be …. well, be a tad unprecedented in the history of calendar years. It's not that Keith, Chara, Thornton, Lundqvist, Luongo, Bergeron, Datsyuk and Iginla (and Kane, and Doughty, and Karlsson, and Kopitar) are missing : it's that none of them are listed, unless I missed something or the list was edited accordingly later on. Also, only three active players listed (what's Jagr's status?)
 
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Lidstrom at 35 is probably what surprised me the most but I can see it. He had a very quiet and subtle style. How would he look on the Arizona Coyotes that Oliver Ekman-Larsson has played for during his career (not comparing them)? The second list was much more reasonable than I thought I'd find it even though I certainly do disagree with some rankings but there is mostly a clear line.
 
Art of Sedinery said:
Can I ask what made you have Bobby Hull jump Wayne from round 1 to round 2?
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That's the burning question, indeed. Does one think they've been a little egregious, ranking Gretzky too high at number six in the first round, only to lower him another slot to number seven during round two? Conceivably, one then concludes, "ah yes, now that feels right."

Periodically, a person's opinion in a given situation is merely without value, and I believe that's the case here. Some may direct this comment back at me, and that's fine. But when doing so please consider that, essentially, the entire hockey world disagrees with the notion that Wayne Gretzky is the seventh best hockey player of all-time.

Considering things in a historical context, I genuinely maintain a hard time valuing the opinion of anyone who doesn't rank Howe, Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux in some sort of consecutive order or adjacent tier. When someone ranks one of those players in a punitive manner, to me, it appears as if they have an axe to grind.
 
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Gretzky /Hull. Questions about eras and decline. Gretzky, especially in the early 1980s was dominating the weakest era ever in NHL Hockey. Declined rather quickly as the shortshift became common, facilitating defensive hockey.

Hull, his first 10 NHL seasons was dominating the strongest era in NHL Hockey.

Scotty Bowman ranked Gretzky 5th. Interview in French.

 
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Canadiens1958 said:
Gretzky /Hull. Questions about eras and decline. Gretzky, especially in the early 1980s was dominating the weakest era ever in NHL Hockey. Declined rather quickly as the shortshift became common, facilitating defensive hockey.

Hull, his first 10 NHL seasons was dominating the strongest era in NHL Hockey.

Scotty Bowman ranked Gretzky 5th. Interview in French.

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To the shock of everybody, I disagree with most of this.

I am curious as to what puts Lemieux over Gretzky from your perspective though. Also if you have the time or inclination, your assessment of Gil Perreault, who was also in my Top 100 (I think) but we never discussed as he wasn't up for a vote.
 
Canadiens1958 said:
Scotty Bowman ranked Gretzky 5th. Interview in French.
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Quoting myself:

TheEye said:
What I am stating, however, is there's a certain mystique about producing an exceptionally talented homegrown player on your chosen team that you actively follow in your formative years. All these things in combination tend to cause individuals to elevate players beyond their proper status.
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Scotty Bowman is from Quebec. Also, look at all those era-biased and homegrown players peppering the top-end of his rankings. Have you not paused to consider his favouritism? Have you not considered that it's also reinforcing your own bias?

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Hull, his first 10 NHL seasons was dominating the strongest era in NHL Hockey.
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Effectively, that's an extremely subjective opinion. And if you want to go down that road, you've ranked Orr at number one and he played in the weakest era in NHL history. There were 32 combined NHL/WHA teams during his prime, a number of professional teams only to be matched again in 2021. Scores of NHL depth players and a number of NHL stars played in the rival WHA league during this time. Without question, it negatively impacted the available NHL talent pool considerably during the 70s, most specifically from 1972-1977. Not to mention the fact that the NHL more than doubled in size from 1968 to 1972. The talent pool wasn't nearly big enough to keep up with this rapid expansion and I posit that it was a critical factor in the rise of goon hockey throughout this period.

Canadiens1958 said:
Gretzky /Hull. Questions about eras and decline. Gretzky, especially in the early 1980s was dominating the weakest era ever in NHL Hockey. Declined rather quickly as the shortshift became common, facilitating defensive hockey.
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Suggesting that Gretzky declined due to the short-shift game reflects a glaring lack of understanding with respect to this particular player or simply an inability to dissect his game. Gretzky was exhibiting an inevitable age-related decline until September 14th, 1991. To suggest anything else is simply disingenuous.

After Gretzky's back issues became ongoing, he definitely appeared to lose a portion of his quick first step and also a bit of his ability to generate quick-transition offence. I also firmly believe he began to appear weak with respect to his defensive responsibilities from that point onwards. He increasingly became a defensive liability during those passing years, especially as he approached retirement.

It is a well-positioned argument that the most successful defensive scheme occurs by merely possessing the puck and that's something Gretzky dominated nearly every shift, relative to his peers. Not to mention he was an incredible forechecker and one of the most outstanding takeaway players in NHL history. Unquestionably, once the puck entered his defensive zone, he primarily played the role of a winger. To wit, he maintained pressure on the defence because they feared a rapid transition to offence if the puck touched his stick. On a side note, the Oilers might equally enjoy eventual success by pushing McDavid to the half-wall in the defensive zone. He'd likely equally benefit from intimidating the right defence with regards to their commitment in the attack zone offensive scheme.

For whatever reason, you appear to sustain a fixation on a player's ability to back check, poke check and transition the puck back to the offensive possession players. I firmly believe that you're missing the bigger picture. I can find innumerable role players to perform that. They are a proverbial dime a dozen. It is nigh impossible to coach offensive creativity but you can impart defensive responsibility. Many players can definitely perform the latter better than Gretzky but they are not in his stratosphere with respect to puck possession and offensive dominance. At a certain point, a player's defensive acumen is more than washed out by an opposing player's ability to possess the puck and generate offence. Gretzky was that player, on steroids.

To reiterate, you seem to be fascinated by a player's performance without the puck. The most challenging thing in the game is to possess the puck and keep it away from others. It doesn't have to happen in the defensive zone, and they don't have to retrieve the puck themselves. As a coach, I can order a lesser talent to get it to my best possession players and most of the shift will take care of itself thereafter. Possession stars comprise the players I require on my team, first and foremost.

Gretzky's approach worked, and he has four Stanley Cups to prove it. Actually, he has more Stanley Cup rings than anyone you've ranked ahead of him, who wasn't conveyed the incredibly unfair advantage of playing during the sponsorship era. Do you sincerely believe all those Montreal players would have as many cups without the benefit of preferred player selection throughout that period? We are clearly aware of the answer to that in the present day because they haven't won a single Stanley Cup since the effects of that era finally dissipated.
 
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To the shock of everybody, I disagree with most of this.

I am curious as to what puts Lemieux over Gretzky from your perspective though. Also if you have the time or inclination, your assessment of Gil Perreault, who was also in my Top 100 (I think) but we never discussed as he wasn't up for a vote.
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Longevity and a healthy Lemieux, early twenties, outplayed Gretzky even though Gretzky had stronger teammates. Post Edmonton, Gretzky was an entourage player. Lemieux, injured and ill was better post 1993.

Gilbert Perreault, hampered by the smaller Buffalo rink.
 
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Canadiens1958 said:
Gretzky /Hull. Questions about eras and decline. Gretzky, especially in the early 1980s was dominating the weakest era ever in NHL Hockey. Declined rather quickly as the shortshift became common, facilitating defensive hockey.

Hull, his first 10 NHL seasons was dominating the strongest era in NHL Hockey.

Scotty Bowman ranked Gretzky 5th. Interview in French.

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Gretzky at #6 or #7 makes no sense. Honestly i expected you to at least have listed Henri Richard or someone else above him - and argue how you favor certain aspects of hockey a lot more than others, and in that way Gretzky being lower should be justifiable.

But you have two other offense first forwards - Hull and Lemieux - both ahead of Gretzky. It's simply a bad vote, that can't be justified.

Maybe Gretzky played in a weaker era than Hull in his first 10 seasons but he dominated by such a HUUUGE amount (vs Hull - is he even the best overall player in the NHL his first 10 seasons?) that it offsets any weaker or stronger era talk. Gretzky first 10 seasons >> Hull's first 10 seasons. If you include playoffs - it's even bigger advantage for Gretzky.

Also - Hull post age 33 is in the WHA. That's weaker than anything Gretzky had in the 80s in the NHL. And although there was definitely a lot of scoring and some weak teams in the 80s - there was also a ton of powerhouse teams against whom Gretzky always looked great, playoffs or regular season.

Bobby Orr is your #1 - his era in the NHL is arguably weaker than Gretzky's era.
Also - Orr simply didn't play past age 26 (outside of 30 games). Hull played in the WHA as of age 33. Yet Gretzky declining past age 31 (his decline includes a Ross, and his 93 playoff performance which is arguably better than any of Hull's, and scoring more points than anyone else in the NHL in the decade, and 2nd overall in PPG after Lemieux) is somehow enough to penalize him and bump him down to #7.
 
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