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Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX

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bleedblue94 said:
I have been a huge Gorts fan and still am, Quinn has consistently made questionable moves and I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt pointing to this season as the one to start defining the real direction of development of these talents but there are so many aspects that are making me scratch my head. Is trying to get a 4th rounder for blackwood instead of a 6th really worth jerking KK around again? Whichever, it will playout however it does, but I just dont like dicking around with KK when he has looked terrific recently and finally like he is finding a home with his game.
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That's the question to answer and you're perfectly entitled to your take. IMO, for one week - sure. But the point is this is logical thought process that is understandable (instead of what we see on the board as a general hysteria).
 
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Kodiak said:
He had a solid game. He definitely looked more structured and defensively polished than Lafreniere and Kakko did early on, and being older, he should. One thing that struck me in watching the kid line shifts back-to-back like that was how easily Buffalo seemed to get through the neutral zone against them. That may be a reason for putting Kakko on that line, as Kakko is better at causing turnovers and tilting the ice toward the offensive zone.
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Thanks for posting this.

It’s so comically unacceptable that Quinn keeps trotting out this “kid” line. They can’t even complete a f***ing tape-to-tape pass.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
Thanks for posting this.

It’s so comically unacceptable that Quinn keeps trotting out this “kid” line. They can’t even complete a f***ing tape-to-tape pass.
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You'd prefer them to f***ing up tape-to-tape passes across all lines? What am I missing?
 
kovazub94 said:
That's the question to answer and you're perfectly entitled to your take. IMO, for one week - sure. But the point is this is logical thought process that is understandable (instead of what we see on the board as a general hysteria).
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So what are they coaching to win games at all cost or to prop up the 4th rd pick (maybe) value of Colin Blackwell? The constant contortions to defend defend defend management at all costs are ridiculous.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
So what are they coaching to win games at all cost or to prop up the 4th rd pick (maybe) value of Colin Blackwell? The constant contortions to defend defend defend management at all costs are ridiculous.
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Maybe you never worked in the environment with short-, medium- and long-term goals where all of these have to be simultaneously accommodated. To me one week for Kakko off the 2nd line (when the play-off chances still exist but minimal) to get trade value back for Blackwell is acceptable.

P.S. I'm surprised no one yet brought up an "argument" that "well since the FO mentioned playoff chances however minimal- why not go for broke and bring in Hall or Palmieri"? The literal take and extrapolated outlandish interpretations around here are unbelievable.
 
kovazub94 said:
You'd prefer them to f***ing up tape-to-tape passes across all lines? What am I missing?
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Pairing three rookies with zero confidence together is a recipe for disaster. It doesn’t help us win or help them develop. Literally an 8 year old could watch this team and determine that.

This is a massive chicken-or-the-egg discussion. Our rookie forwards don’t just suck more than the rest of the league. They’re playing like crap because they’ve got no confidence and haven’t been given a chance to lift themselves back up. Especially when none of our forward lines particularly “work”. The only two players you can argue have any chemistry are Strome and Panarin.

You don’t stuff a bunch of chickens in the same coop, let them fester in their own shit, and then call it organic.
 
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kovazub94 said:
That's the question to answer and you're perfectly entitled to your take. IMO, for one week - sure. But the point is this is logical thought process that is understandable (instead of what we see on the board as a general hysteria).
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The issue to me is this isn't one week. Everytime this kind of thing happens we justify it for one reason or another. THIS time it's that it's a week till the trade deadline. I'm not in hysteria, I'm just still waiting for the commitment to the kids in meaningful roles...
 
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bleedblue94 said:
The issue to me is this isn't one week. Everytime this kind of thing happens we justify it for one reason or another. THIS time it's that it's a week till the trade deadline. I'm not in hysteria, I'm just still waiting for the commitment to the kids in meaningful roles...
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Kakko has been on the 2nd line almost the whole season, so yeah - one week is fine.
 
SA16 said:
Almost the whole season, no. The majority of the season - yes. Strome is his most common linemate with 54% of TOI together.
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So my response is correct, and beyond that you changing the narrative doesn't work. The point is there has not been a consistent commitment to putting the elite skill high end kids we have into significant roles. Extremely limited pp time and bouncing around the lineup is not what I consider committed significant roles.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
So my response is correct, and beyond that changing the narrative doesn't work. The point is there has not been a consistent commitment to putting the elite skill high end kids we have into significant roles. Extremely limited pp time and bouncing around the lineup is not what I consider committed significant roles.
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So wait, Kakko spends time either with Strome or with Chytil and there’s no continuity? Is the coach allowed ANY decision making that’s different from yours before you and the others go bezerk ?
 
The biggest improvement I've seen from his is his situational awareness and constantly keeping his feet going. He's been better at reading plays and using his size and speed to put pressure on the opposing team; the skill is there too. Another kid like Key who's gonna show flashes of brilliance, but we just need to be patient with him. I'm ridiculously excited to see how this young core of Chytil, Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, and Miller look over the next 2-3 years. I mean, hell, Fox is already arguably the best dman in the NHL, and he's definitely been top-5 this year.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
The biggest improvement I've seen from his is his situational awareness and constantly keeping his feet going. He's been better at reading plays and using his size and speed to put pressure on the opposing team; the skill is there too. Another kid like Key who's gonna show flashes of brilliance, but we just need to be patient with him. I'm ridiculously excited to see how this young core of Chytil, Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, and Miller look over the next 2-3 years. I mean, hell, Fox is already arguably the best dman in the NHL, and he's definitely been top-5 this year.
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Lundkvist needs to be on this list imo.
 
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kovazub94 said:
So wait, Kakko spends time either with Strome or with Chytil and there’s no continuity? Is the coach allowed ANY decision making that’s different from yours before you and the others go bezerk ?
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You said "Kakko has been on the 2nd line almost the whole season," now it is with Strome or Chytil. Make up your mind.

Look, you've taken my original comment and the basic point of the post and you keep trying to twist it to make an argument. I've said repeatedly my issue is that he hasn't put the elite skill high end kids we have into consistent/significant roles. You keep trying to twist that into an argument against things other people have said and are trying to lump my comment in with the comment of others. If I shared those overarching, sometimes extreme viewpoints and general distain for Quinn I would just like their comments or piggyback off of them. I'm not doing that so please stop lumping me in with others. This isn't an all love for Quinn or all hate for Quinn, I can appreciate parts of him and still have issues with how he deploys these kids.

4 goal game last night, much of the 3rd period is a blowout and we still have:
kk 14 mins
laf 14 mins
chytil 14 mins
krav 11 mins

And it took until 3 mins left in a 4 goal game to get kravtsov out there with some skill players. It is not irrational to have some issues with this, and I can say I have issues with this and NOT be calling for Quinn to be canned. There is a rational middle ground...
 
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bleedblue94 said:
You said "Kakko has been on the 2nd line almost the whole season," now it is with Strome or Chytil. Make up your mind.

Look, you've taken my original comment and the basic point of the post and you keep trying to twist it to make an argument. I've said repeatedly my issue is that he hasn't put the elite skill high end kids we have into consistent/significant roles. You keep trying to twist that into an argument against things other people have said and are trying to lump my comment in with the comment of others. If I shared those overarching, sometimes extreme viewpoints and general distain for Quinn I would just like their comments or piggyback off of them. I'm not doing that so please stop lumping me in with others. This isn't an all love for Quinn or all hate for Quinn, I can appreciate parts of him and still have issues with how he deploys these kids.

4 goal game last night, much of the 3rd period is a blowout and we still have:
kk 14 mins
laf 14 mins
chytil 14 mins
krav 11 mins

And it took until 3 mins left in a 4 goal game to get kravtsov out there with some skill players. It is not irrational to have some issues with this, and I can say I have issues with this and NOT be calling for Quinn to be canned. There is a rational middle ground...
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Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil all had more ice time in the third period than Panarin and Zibanejad so the argument about them not getting more ice time in the 3rd period in a blowout doesn't hold water.
 
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Lafreniere, Kakko and Chytil all had more ice time in the third period than Panarin and Zibanejad so the argument about them not getting more ice time in the 3rd period in a blowout doesn't hold water.
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Did I say specifically the 3rd period ice time?
Was this game a tight game until the 3rd?
Wasn't it 4-1 after the 1st?

Why do you literally keep trying to find arguments against things that people did not actually say by trying to twist things?

There is no reason based on how that game played out that those four players couldn't see more ice time, the same issue as in the romps against the Flyers. These are the ice times in those two blowouts for each player. You cant get these guys heavier minutes in games where we score 8 or more goals? Laf and KK are getting close to the same time as Rooney for shit's sake in blowouts, come on..

laf 14/13
chytil 16/15
kk 14/13
 
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