will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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I assume it's his line of 13 goals and 5 assists. Looks like a W-L record.
will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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But you need under 5 losses to be legit Cy Young?
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Not on this play but I actually agree in general: he knows where he needs to be but he also needs to figure out that it’s not only where but also time it for the right when, as he continues to skate and find open space. Often he looks flat footed and it takes time to get the first step going.
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To be fair it was Sedlak’s hard forecheck that resulted in Traktor’s regaining possession and he made the last pass before assists were given.
Yeah but that was really circumstantial.
He epic failed on a double Dion and it just happened to play out that way (Not really, the latter half of that double dion actually resulted in the turn over, but f*** him.)
Basically: If something goes wrong, its always Sedlak's fault and if something goes right, he had nothing to do with it.
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Traktor v. Torpedo underway and Traktor is down within the first minute (they lost the last 4 games and they look a bit nervous at the start).
P.S. Expecting a good pass from Sedlak is expecting a bigger miracle than any religion would find allowable.
P.S. Expecting a good pass from Sedlak is expecting a bigger miracle than any religion would find allowable.
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Yup. Was good to see him back on the ice right away because it was very close to the first intermission and otherwise I'd be a bit nervous waiting till the 2nd period to see if he's ok.
BTW I didn't see it close enough but it might have been Kravtsov who missed his defensive assignment jumping into the play in front of the net to score that first goal against.
Edit: Nope, Sedlak's assignment (what was I thinking???)
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Is it me or are there very few chances in the KHL compared to the NHL? I'm thankful I've been able to watch Traktor during this NHL break but man even for a hardcore hockey fan it can be a bit boring.
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You're absolutely right - probably the main reason why KHL is a low scoring league since I wouldn't call it a good defensive system league. Not many good team plays where linemates coulde stringing 3-4 good passes in the row. One of the things to keep in mind when looking at the points totals from prospects (current and past) is to understand who's their partners. Like Buchnevich had Kagarlitskiy with him at Severstal who was and is a very good hockey player.
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Kravtsov just now with two good defensive plays - one on forecheck to extend his team possession in the offensive zone and then on a backcheck at the end of a long shift to prevent a high danger scoring chance.
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Buch had Kagarlitskiy. Panarin had Dadonov and Shipachev. Kravtsov's linemates Sedlak or Hyka are nowhere close.
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I would say no. This was an issue when he was 19 and still is now, but one difference is he should be able to somewhat overcome that now that he is older, which he is doing this season. It is the 2nd best league in the world, and every good player needs to be surrounded by good players to produce, but if we want him to be what we hope, which is a top 6 forward, he'll need to overcome these things.
He's not going to come over and immediately play with Panarin or Mika, or possibly even Kreider. The good news is this team's forward skill should lend well to him. If he's here for the end of this season, there is a good chance he is with someone like Chytil or Lafreniere and they have more skill than anyone he's ever had in Traktor.
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Kravtsov just missed another good chance for a redirection goal to tie the game late in the third but puck slid off his stick (or stick was just too open).
Another dangerous change for Kravtsov in front of the net on rebound.
Traktor will get a PP with 1 min left.
Kravtsov had a game on his stick but goalie made a very good save.
Traktor with 5 game losing streak.
Another dangerous change for Kravtsov in front of the net on rebound.
Traktor will get a PP with 1 min left.
Kravtsov had a game on his stick but goalie made a very good save.
Traktor with 5 game losing streak.
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I mean, let's be fair. Some of you talk about his linemates like they belong in the German second division or something.
Hyka had two AHL season--48 points in 50 games and 40 in 43. He played 27 games in the NHL registering 7 points. He was well over a point per game in the Q. Last year he had 34 points in 49 KHL games. That was 31st in the KHL on a points per game basis.
Sedlak was never a big scorer but he did manage to play 162 games over three season in Columbus before heading to the KHL. He was a 4C who played defensively-oriented hockey and took draws. With 40 points in 57 games last year, Sedlak was 28th in points per game in the KHL.
This has long been an annoyance of mine, that people chalk up his struggles or lack of better numbers to his linemates. Of course everyone would play better with elite talent, but he's supposed to be the blue chip talent that carries his line. He's not playing with garbage, he's playing with guys that have been good professional players. Guys that were great in low-scoring leagues like the AHL and who have also produced in the KHL. In his D+1 season we measured the percent of goals that he contributed to for his team because his teammates were dragging him down. When he was in the AHL quite a few people talked about how if he played with "good" players he'd do much better. So often here, people endlessly criticize his teammates.
I feel like there's a lot of deflecting with Kravtsov and I don't really understand why. His linemates are fine, they both produce offense at a higher rate than he does (as do a handful of other players on his team). He's 21 and in his fourth full year of high-level professional hockey, he doesn't need any excuses made for him.
He's having a solid season, I don't know why we can't just leave it there.
Hyka had two AHL season--48 points in 50 games and 40 in 43. He played 27 games in the NHL registering 7 points. He was well over a point per game in the Q. Last year he had 34 points in 49 KHL games. That was 31st in the KHL on a points per game basis.
Sedlak was never a big scorer but he did manage to play 162 games over three season in Columbus before heading to the KHL. He was a 4C who played defensively-oriented hockey and took draws. With 40 points in 57 games last year, Sedlak was 28th in points per game in the KHL.
This has long been an annoyance of mine, that people chalk up his struggles or lack of better numbers to his linemates. Of course everyone would play better with elite talent, but he's supposed to be the blue chip talent that carries his line. He's not playing with garbage, he's playing with guys that have been good professional players. Guys that were great in low-scoring leagues like the AHL and who have also produced in the KHL. In his D+1 season we measured the percent of goals that he contributed to for his team because his teammates were dragging him down. When he was in the AHL quite a few people talked about how if he played with "good" players he'd do much better. So often here, people endlessly criticize his teammates.
I feel like there's a lot of deflecting with Kravtsov and I don't really understand why. His linemates are fine, they both produce offense at a higher rate than he does (as do a handful of other players on his team). He's 21 and in his fourth full year of high-level professional hockey, he doesn't need any excuses made for him.
He's having a solid season, I don't know why we can't just leave it there.
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Hey, his linemates are solid by the KHL standards but can't argue that they are nowhere close to Dadonov, Shipachev or Kagarlitskiy level in terms of pure talent.
Kravtsov is having a solid season for his age and draft status. His production is pretty solid but far from spectacular. Some of it is on him and still figuring things out. Some of it is due to injuries this season. But watching his on ice shifts I often want to pull my hair out when his linemates routinely can't execute even simplest of tasks.
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Because people try to balance out the daily posts that analyze the color of stool samples and cast worry.
So we end up in a vicious cycle of posts trying to either throw too much wood on the fire, or too much water.
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Change is good.
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That’s an interesting collection of metaphors ya got there, fella...
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