Post-Game Talk: VGK 3 - WPG 2 in OT

[gojetsgo]

My god. The Jets got home Sunday, and had days off before the Boston and Vegas games. Are people being purposely obtuse as a form of denialism or is this just shit posting for lolz on the internet??

lol, I think being obtuse would be thinking that professional athletes that play against other professional athletes don't need rest to recover, vegas last played friday of course they were the faster team, that should have been expected...

like imagine getting upset that somebody said they finally get a 2 day break after they played 16 games in 30 days that had 14 in a row with travel...

 

[Gm0ney]

I thought Vegas was the better team for most of the game (not by a huge degree, but the Jets were just not generating enough), but when you have the lead in the last few minutes you have to find a way to lock it down and win and the Jets didn't do that.

A few shout outs:

JoMo / Helly - Obvious

Chibs - Another nice game. He's not going to keep scoring every game, but he plays pretty responsible and with a little edge. Keep it up.

Perfetti - Thought he played really well. Even without the assist I thought he was making things happen, and he was turning pucks over on the forecheck and the boards as well.

Fleury - I've liked his skating from the get go, but he made some really nice defensive plays to keep the puck out of the net. Tough break on the OT winner as he probably didn't see both guys changing. If I had to ice a 1 game lineup right now and everyone is healthy, he's starting over Stanley and Heinola.

Speaking of Heinola, did his icetime get cut in the 3rd? I didn't see any poor play that stood out?

Jets generated JACK SQUAT all game...aside from the nice Chibrikov goal and a couple of decent shifts here and there, they were on their back foot the whole time.

Vegas absolutely dominated the Jets. It was bad enough by the eye test, but statistically that's the about the worst game of the year in terms of creating any offense but also letting up a ton of chances - nearly doubled in shots, outchanced 3:1, out-high-danger-chanced 4:1.

The Jets couldn't stop Vegas through the neutral zone, put up no resistance on zone-entries, could generally only manage to dump and chase going the other way. It sure didn't look like two top teams battling each other. Total supremacy by Vegas in every aspect of the game except goaltending.

Somehow, the Jets are simultaneously a 100 point team, yet also massive frauds.

The refs did indeed f*** the Jets, but in the bigger picture, they were just delivering justice to the team that really earned the two points.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Leaving aside for a moment that the Jets are no longer on top by winning percentage (i.e. they have the most points in part because they've played more games than their closest competitors), where is he wrong?

For the last two years this team has consistently failed to step up and deliver statement victories against top opponents. They flat out wilt in the spotlight. I mean, what did you see last night that would lead you to believe that the Jets could win a playoff series against Colorado (their opponent if the season ended today), let alone Vegas?

I appreciate that the Jets are competitive in the regular season, it makes the games more entertaining and interesting. But this still doesn't look like a team built to go the distance, beyond hoping that 37 goes on the mother of all hot streaks. I can understand why that dulls the enthusiasm of some people.

And it’s all about the regular season right now. Worrying about the future is a future problem.

Jets generated JACK SQUAT all game...aside from the nice Chibrikov goal and a couple of decent shifts here and there, they were on their back foot the whole time.

Vegas absolutely dominated the Jets. It was bad enough by the eye test, but statistically that's the about the worst game of the year in terms of creating any offense but also letting up a ton of chances - nearly doubled in shots, outchanced 3:1, out-high-danger-chanced 4:1.

The Jets couldn't stop Vegas through the neutral zone, put up no resistance on zone-entries, could generally only manage to dump and chase going the other way. It sure didn't look like two top teams battling each other. Total supremacy by Vegas in every aspect of the game except goaltending.

Somehow, the Jets are simultaneously a 100 point team, yet also massive frauds.

The refs did indeed f*** the Jets, but in the bigger picture, they were just delivering justice to the team that really earned the two points.

There is no such thing as justice, Helly was winning the team the game. Ppl don’t get as upset when kap carries his team and their goalie lets in a softy and call it justice.


Also, if jets had a horrible game and it was that close wait till they are on their game.

 

[Howard Chuck]

My interest is at an all-time high since they came back and maybe that great season we had in 16/17(?)

I cannot for the life of me figure out why we don’t shoot more. Not only is there a chance for a greasy goal, but some of our best offensive zone time is a result of the chaos that erupts after a shot on goal, rebounds, etc.. It’s not that we don’t get the chance to shoot, even if it’s from a distance. A dump in only works if you add the chase afterwards, if you’re not going to do that, then shoot on goal you never know where it’s going after that.

As far as my interest in the game goes, as I said, my interest is at an all-time high because games have been mostly great and obviously because of our position in the standings. But what is disillusioning is very obvious referee interference in the game. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but the end of last night‘s game is very hard to understand from a realistic point of view. A lot of us think that Vegas has our number, and most of the time they do, but we had them last night even if it wasn’t a great game and that was all on the referees.

I am also not usually a ‘blame, the refs’ kind of guy, but it’s hard not to after last night.

On the positive side, my interest is still super high because we are still in first place and I’m enjoying watching our prospects step up. I’m hoping with some rest we can get back to the pack of wolves that went 15 and one at the beginning of the season.

 

[Jets 31]

Leaving aside for a moment that the Jets are no longer on top by winning percentage (i.e. they have the most points in part because they've played more games than their closest competitors), where is he wrong?

For the last two years this team has consistently failed to step up and deliver statement victories against top opponents. They flat out wilt in the spotlight. I mean, what did you see last night that would lead you to believe that the Jets could win a playoff series against Colorado (their opponent if the season ended today), let alone Vegas?

I appreciate that the Jets are competitive in the regular season, it makes the games more entertaining and interesting. But this still doesn't look like a team built to go the distance, beyond hoping that 37 goes on the mother of all hot streaks. I can understand why that dulls the enthusiasm of some people.

I didn't think the Jets would start 15-1 but they did, they just beat a team that was on a winning streak 8-1 two days ago and they are in first place in the entire league. Yes there are teams with games in hand but they have to win those games in hand. There is a very, very good chance the Jets don't win the Cup but only 1 team out of 32 teams does. I guess what i'm saying is i don't understand not looking at how this season is going so far and not being a happy fan .

 

[jetsmooseice]

I didn't think the Jets would start 15-1 but they did, they just beat a team that was on a winning streak 8-1 two days ago and they are in first place in the entire league. Yes there are teams with games in hand but they have to win those games in hand. There is a very, very good chance the Jets don't win the Cup but only 1 team out of 32 teams does. I guess what i'm saying is i don't understand not looking at how this season is going so far and not being a happy fan .

Speaking for myself here, I am happy to look at the standings and see the Jets at the top. But at the same time I am concerned that the Jets don't look ready to make a serious playoff run. And let's be real, as good as their regular season performance is, the Jets' season will be judged by how the playoffs unfold. At some point they need to break through.

 

[raideralex99]

Jets need to change it up when playing the top teams and adjust to a good tough defensive team. Shoot the puck at the net!
Its so obvious why the CVS line gets caved at times.
Yesterday.s game for example you knew where the puck was going before it got there ... to the open man.
Connor and Vilardi should be guarding the point men instead of pretending to try to win board battles seriously why are 2 or 3 Jet players so close along the boards trying to get the puck?
Let the center or defenseman try to get it and when the opposing player wins the battle who is he going to pass it too?
Not the point men because they are covered. Every single time when Vegas won the board battle the puck when to the point or open man. Try Nino or even Barron on the top line because at least they can win some board battles.

Also before the tying goal was scored ... at the faceoff circle Stanley lined up beside the winger if he would have lined up behind the center since the Jets won the face off he would have got the puck and shot it down the ice. Instead he was too slow to get to the puck and the winger beat him and the Jets never touch the puck again until in was in the net.

 

[Jets 31]

Jets generated JACK SQUAT all game...aside from the nice Chibrikov goal and a couple of decent shifts here and there, they were on their back foot the whole time.

Vegas absolutely dominated the Jets. It was bad enough by the eye test, but statistically that's the about the worst game of the year in terms of creating any offense but also letting up a ton of chances - nearly doubled in shots, outchanced 3:1, out-high-danger-chanced 4:1.

The Jets couldn't stop Vegas through the neutral zone, put up no resistance on zone-entries, could generally only manage to dump and chase going the other way. It sure didn't look like two top teams battling each other. Total supremacy by Vegas in every aspect of the game except goaltending.

Somehow, the Jets are simultaneously a 100 point team, yet also massive frauds.

The refs did indeed f*** the Jets, but in the bigger picture, they were just delivering justice to the team that really earned the two points.

 

[Romang67]

I've never liked the idea that if the Jets' best player is the reason for the win, the win would be undeserved.

 

[Adam da bomb]

At one time before kids I was way more into each game. The other factor is that I need stakes to get really invested now. In the playoffs each game is important. In the season, game 30 of 82 on a Thursday in December is hard to get worked up about, especially when the team is comfortably in a playoff spot.

I still come here each day. I still enjoy reading about the team and how people look at it.

Problem is playoffs is when jets are at their worst.

 

[Stumbledore]

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Now there was a fabulous movie. No violence or car chases, nudity or swearing, just pure entertainment. And despite all that talent, Stubby Kaye stole the movie.

 

[GNP]

You have both Kupari and Barron who have a total of 3 points each, in around 28 games, and there's debate on here, on whether to play Chibrikov as a regular ? ( 4 pts in 3 games) I don't get it -- just do it.

 

[LowLefty]

The passer can see the D man behind Connor but Connor doesn’t have eyes behind his head. I would say it’s Connor’s fault a bit he should be able to handle bad passes.
Stanley handles the puck like a hot potato if he is pressured he quickly passes it and if there’s no pressure it seems like he takes awhile to figure it out who to pass too.
Every time Stanley was on the ice in the third i was sweating …. I’m sorry but I just don’t trust him against good teams. Don’t get me wrong I want Stanley to be successful.
I will say one thing if the Jets were fighting for a WC spot right in March/April … Stanley will not be in the lineup.

KC needs to be aware of what is going on around him - no eyes in the back of his head but he needs to take a look around.
He has no problem reading the ice when on offense - he needs to do the same in the dzone.

I'm a huge Connor fan but it drives me crazy when he sets up on the wall waiting for the outlet - he's an open ice player but thinks he's a board battler when playing defense. Stan is going to feed our top players every time when he sees them waiting on the pass - he's not going to look at other options. Call that a weakness in his game but honestly, the guys a 3rd pair dman on the bubble - he's going to hand if over to the top dogs every time.

Hopefully Stan's extended try out pays off at some point and you can sweat a little less -

 

[Huffer]

Agree with alot of this but pretty tough for any team to lock down a 1 goal lead being shorthanded and then ahh that's not working now you are 2 men down phantom call.

True, but part of locking it down is not putting yourself in the position to give the ref a reason to call anything too. Vilardi definitely didn't do that. Demelo's was bad for sure and given the situation, but don't even give the ref the chance with your stick close to the skates too.

 

[Optimistic Cynic]

Somehow, the Jets are simultaneously a 100 point team, yet also massive frauds.

The refs did indeed f*** the Jets, but in the bigger picture, they were just delivering justice to the team that really earned the two points.

Justice? Whatever happened to just calling the game fairly instead of that f***ing game management!

Look at the highlights from the game. Watch that last penalty call closely. The ref who called it had the net between him and the play. All he saw was the Knight falling to the ice and he shoots up his arm. Not that justice, that's just f***ing bad officiating.

And while I'm ranting, Moneypuck rated us yesterday with a 91.2% chance of making the playoffs. Today it's been dropped to 79.9%. You gain a point, you lead the entire f***ing league in the standings, and they drop you more than 10% in ratings. Makes no sense at all. And Minny is rated even lower than us.

 

[gojetsgo]

Justice? Whatever happened to just calling the game fairly instead of that f***ing game management!

Look at the highlights from the game. Watch that last penalty call closely. The ref who called it had the net between him and the play. All he saw was the Knight falling to the ice and he shoots up his arm. Not that justice, that's just f***ing bad officiating.

And while I'm ranting, Moneypuck rated us yesterday with a 91.2% chance of making the playoffs. Today it's been dropped to 79.9%. You gain a point, you lead the entire f***ing league in the standings, and they drop you more than 10% in ratings. Makes no sense at all. And Minny is rated even lower than us.

moneypuck is awful

 

[Crocket]

Jets generated JACK SQUAT all game...aside from the nice Chibrikov goal and a couple of decent shifts here and there, they were on their back foot the whole time.

Vegas absolutely dominated the Jets. It was bad enough by the eye test, but statistically that's the about the worst game of the year in terms of creating any offense but also letting up a ton of chances - nearly doubled in shots, outchanced 3:1, out-high-danger-chanced 4:1.

The Jets couldn't stop Vegas through the neutral zone, put up no resistance on zone-entries, could generally only manage to dump and chase going the other way. It sure didn't look like two top teams battling each other. Total supremacy by Vegas in every aspect of the game except goaltending.

Somehow, the Jets are simultaneously a 100 point team, yet also massive frauds.

The refs did indeed f*** the Jets, but in the bigger picture, they were just delivering justice to the team that really earned the two points.

Wasn't the worst game of the year because the third was much closer and we dominated OT. Plus we got a point. Leafs, Kings, etc bad games and no points.

 

[Gm0ney]

I've never liked the idea that if the Jets' best player is the reason for the win, the win would be undeserved.

 

[Crocket]

Justice? Whatever happened to just calling the game fairly instead of that f***ing game management!

Look at the highlights from the game. Watch that last penalty call closely. The ref who called it had the net between him and the play. All he saw was the Knight falling to the ice and he shoots up his arm. Not that justice, that's just f***ing bad officiating.

And while I'm ranting, Moneypuck rated us yesterday with a 91.2% chance of making the playoffs. Today it's been dropped to 79.9%. You gain a point, you lead the entire f***ing league in the standings, and they drop you more than 10% in ratings. Makes no sense at all. And Minny is rated even lower than us.

Ya. That's a bad call. Not in anyway congruent to the rest of the game. Chib got smoked from behind minutes before that.

The tough thing is we found a way to hang around, score and we were playing better at the end but got screwed by a bad call.

In OT we dominated and made one bad play and it's over. We got a point.

Was chibrokov hurt at the end? He got smoked 2 different times and didn't see him after?

 

[WolfHouse]

Like this spring Sutherland was accused of fixing games... he's been a corrupt ref for years now and on top of that, he fkn hates Scheifele

I fully believe he refs Jets games with the mindset of teaching Scheif a lesson for chirping him

 

[Moloch]

So if Nikita stays up when Ehlers returns, what would our ideal forward lines look like?

 

[WolfHouse]

Justice? Whatever happened to just calling the game fairly instead of that f***ing game management!

Look at the highlights from the game. Watch that last penalty call closely. The ref who called it had the net between him and the play. All he saw was the Knight falling to the ice and he shoots up his arm. Not that justice, that's just f***ing bad officiating.

And while I'm ranting, Moneypuck rated us yesterday with a 91.2% chance of making the playoffs. Today it's been dropped to 79.9%. You gain a point, you lead the entire f***ing league in the standings, and they drop you more than 10% in ratings. Makes no sense at all. And Minny is rated even lower than us.

Moneypuck just factored in NHL/referee bias...

 

[DRW204]

Vegas has what we don't have. Size throughout their entire D. Our forwards just don't consistently give their D much trouble.


Yeah I think that ship has sailed

I think so but things can change. But if you look at the moves they have done, or have attempted to do for 2Cs since the conclusion of last season

Lambert
Vilardi
Namestnikov
Tried to sign Monahan

IMO that does not scream to me as a team that sees him as a 2C this year

 

[Gm0ney]

Justice? Whatever happened to just calling the game fairly instead of that f***ing game management!

Look at the highlights from the game. Watch that last penalty call closely. The ref who called it had the net between him and the play. All he saw was the Knight falling to the ice and he shoots up his arm. Not that justice, that's just f***ing bad officiating.

And while I'm ranting, Moneypuck rated us yesterday with a 91.2% chance of making the playoffs. Today it's been dropped to 79.9%. You gain a point, you lead the entire f***ing league in the standings, and they drop you more than 10% in ratings. Makes no sense at all. And Minny is rated even lower than us.

Bad calls are just as much a part of the NHL game as anything else. We all know and tacitly accept that the refs are doing their game management thing. Sometimes it doesn't work out in the Jets favor, but it's random. It all evens out in the long run.

 

[WolfHouse]

So if Nikita stays up when Ehlers returns, what would our ideal forward lines look like?

I cling onto this dream
CSV
Nino-Names-Ehlers
Barron-Lowry-Apples
Perfetti-Lambert/Kupari-Chib