Proposal: Van - nyi

[Virtanen2Horvat]

Alright so I have been thinking about Dal Colle and Anders lee recently and I was wondering something around Virtanen + ??? for the two. I think the Canucks need a little shake up.

I think Virtanen still has time and needs a chance and can become a useful power forward, I just think the Canucks aren't handling him well. If developed properly with the Isles I think he can become a very good player.

Maybe

Virtanen + Subban

for

Dal Colle + Lee


VAN:

The Canucks get possibly a 1st line LW on the team to be with Horvat and Boeser the time being and he would be more legit then Baertschi. Also we get a 2nd/3rd liner that brings depth to the team.

NYI:

The Isles get a top 6 power forward that still has potential and I think can thrive well in the east and would be good for the Islanders. Also they get Subban which I think he can thrive well in the east, he has great skating and a great shot. I think if Stecher is going to be played over him there is no point in keeping him with Jimbo around.

Anyways this is for fun cause we know Virtanen ain't getting moved cause of the whole BC boy thing, anyways thoughts?

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[Tryamkin]

It's too early to give up on Virtanen and the Isles probably feel the same about MDC.

Also not the greatest value for the Isles.

 

[LordNeverLose]

MDC > Virtanen
Lee > Subban

Easy no

 

[wonton15]

Virtanen and Subban for MDC is closer value-wise. I don't think either team would do it though

 

[BrockBoeser6]

I'd rather keep Subban and wait to see if he can learn how to play defence

 

[puckpilot]

First why do the Canucks want/need another 3rd liner in Lee? What does he offer that someone like Burrows, Granlund, Gaunce, etc., can't give? Why would they want to take on a 3.75 mil cap hit for two more years beyond this one? He makes 4.5 and 5 million dollars in seasons after this. They are up against the cap already.

But I'm sure the Islanders would love to dump his salary.

Also, aside from it being too early to be giving up on Virtanen, who has the potential to be the type of player the Canucks need/want, there are other factors that make this a no fly zone for the Canucks.

I said this in another thread involving Lee and Virtanen. When there is a young power forward involved in Vancouver, there's always going to be a dark shadow of hanging overhead named Cam Neely. He was a local boy from the WHL, and wasn't being used well by the coach, but blossomed when traded.

Now look at Jake Virtanen, a local boy from the WHL, who's a power forward, and may or may not be being used well by the the coach.

Too many parallels. The city is still crying about the Neely trade 30 years later. Imagine the outcry if they did it again? There was an outcry when they traded Kassian because he was a power forward, even though he had issues.

After a long sellout streak, the Canucks are no longer a hot ticket in Vancouver. The fans aren't pleased with the management because they're trying to compete when it's obvious that window has closed, and it's time for a rebuild. A trade like this has the potential to drive away even more fans, and that's not something the owners want. It hits them right in the bank account.

The only way Virtanen gets traded is if the trade is stupid in Canucks favor or Virtanen has proven he's a complete bust.

 

[airbus220]

I think Virtanen still has time and needs a chance and can become a useful power forward, I just think the Canucks aren't handling him well. If developed properly with the Isles I think he can become a very good player.

According to Staple, Isles just recognized that their young guys don't develop as expected.

Isles are not able to develop players properly.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

What about:

Virtanen for Barzal

U can add to the deal other things as well to balance perceived value.

Reasoning: (Simplified)

- Isles have many good young centers/forwards, and Barzal isn't in the NHL. Virtanen is just as young, can play in the NHL now and help u win when he's on his game, he's just inconsistent but being in his hometown isn't helping him, going far away to a different organization could. I was never the biggest fan originally but I still definitely think he can still be a very good top 6 player, imagine him & Dal Colle in the future playing with Tavares or Strome or Nelson or whomever.

- For Canucks, primary reason is: a Horvat/Barzal centre duo that would better help us compete against other pacific division teams going into the future. And Barzal is from here and can help create offense that we need, he could probably help us now but going forward offensively he could be a great setup man for Boeser.

 

[Strait2thecup]

You're joking with virtanen for barzal I would hope

 

[Deadweight]

Puke

 

[LordNeverLose]

What about:

Virtanen for Barzal

U can add to the deal other things as well to balance perceived value.

Reasoning: (Simplified)

- Isles have many good young centers/forwards, and Barzal isn't in the NHL. Virtanen is just as young, can play in the NHL now and help u win when he's on his game, he's just inconsistent but being in his hometown isn't helping him, going far away to a different organization could. I was never the biggest fan originally but I still definitely think he can still be a very good top 6 player, imagine him & Dal Colle in the future playing with Tavares or Strome or Nelson or whomever.

- For Canucks, primary reason is: a Horvat/Barzal centre duo that would better help us compete against other pacific division teams going into the future. And Barzal is from here and can help create offense that we need, he could probably help us now but going forward offensively he could be a great setup man for Boeser.

Sure, if you add Juolevi

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

I think Virtanen can be a good player, but I don't want to give up MDC for him. I'd do Virtanen for Lee straight up.

 

[nuckfan insk]

I think Virtanen can be a good player, but I don't want to give up MDC for him. I'd do Virtanen for Lee straight up.

I'd do dal Colle for subban then...

 

[Tryamkin]

I think Virtanen can be a good player, but I don't want to give up MDC for him. I'd do Virtanen for Lee straight up.

Why would we do that... That literally goes in the exact opposite direction we're heading. Also heaps on millions of useless cap space. It's like trading Horvat + Boeser for Plekanec + Shaw.

I think Dal Colle can be a good player, but I don't want to give up Virtanen for him. I'd do Sbisa for Dal Colle straight up.

 

[Halla]

First why do the Canucks want/need another 3rd liner in Lee? What does he offer that someone like Burrows, Granlund, Gaunce, etc., can't give? Why would they want to take on a 3.75 mil cap hit for two more years beyond this one? He makes 4.5 and 5 million dollars in seasons after this. They are up against the cap already.

But I'm sure the Islanders would love to dump his salary.

Also, aside from it being too early to be giving up on Virtanen, who has the potential to be the type of player the Canucks need/want, there are other factors that make this a no fly zone for the Canucks.

I said this in another thread involving Lee and Virtanen. When there is a young power forward involved in Vancouver, there's always going to be a dark shadow of hanging overhead named Cam Neely. He was a local boy from the WHL, and wasn't being used well by the coach, but blossomed when traded.

Now look at Jake Virtanen, a local boy from the WHL, who's a power forward, and may or may not be being used well by the the coach.

Too many parallels. The city is still crying about the Neely trade 30 years later. Imagine the outcry if they did it again? There was an outcry when they traded Kassian because he was a power forward, even though he had issues.

After a long sellout streak, the Canucks are no longer a hot ticket in Vancouver. The fans aren't pleased with the management because they're trying to compete when it's obvious that window has closed, and it's time for a rebuild. A trade like this has the potential to drive away even more fans, and that's not something the owners want. It hits them right in the bank account.

The only way Virtanen gets traded is if the trade is stupid in Canucks favor or Virtanen has proven he's a complete bust.

41 goals over the past 2 seasons and a bit. the 3 guys you listed have combined for 39

 

[Halla]

What about:

Virtanen for Barzal

U can add to the deal other things as well to balance perceived value.

Reasoning: (Simplified)

- Isles have many good young centers/forwards, and Barzal isn't in the NHL. Virtanen is just as young, can play in the NHL now and help u win when he's on his game, he's just inconsistent but being in his hometown isn't helping him, going far away to a different organization could. I was never the biggest fan originally but I still definitely think he can still be a very good top 6 player, imagine him & Dal Colle in the future playing with Tavares or Strome or Nelson or whomever.

- For Canucks, primary reason is: a Horvat/Barzal centre duo that would better help us compete against other pacific division teams going into the future. And Barzal is from here and can help create offense that we need, he could probably help us now but going forward offensively he could be a great setup man for Boeser.

isles probably laugh this one off

 

[puckpilot]

41 goals over the past 2 seasons and a bit. the 3 guys you listed have combined for 39

And how many goals does he have this year? One. Less than Burrows and Granlund, the same as Dorsett. If you want to play that game, who has the 35 goal season and four 20 goal seasons on their resume?

Who has quadruple the amount of goals that Lee has this year, yet makes 1/5 his salary? That's pretty sad statement on Lee considering how many times the Canucks have been shut out this year.

This is not the what-have-you-done-in-the-past-league. It's the what-can-you-do-now league, and right now Lee can't do any better than what the Canucks have.

 

[entropism]

isles probably laugh this one off

If you're taking into account that they start to laugh and choke on their drink, maybe. It's the only way they're not actually laughing this off.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Why would we do that... That literally goes in the exact opposite direction we're heading. Also heaps on millions of useless cap space. It's like trading Horvat + Boeser for Plekanec + Shaw.

I think Dal Colle can be a good player, but I don't want to give up Virtanen for him. I'd do Sbisa for Dal Colle straight up.

Sbisa has negative value

Quite frankly the valuations by Canuck fans in this thread have been ludicrous

 

[The Alien]

First why do the Canucks want/need another 3rd liner in Lee? What does he offer that someone like Burrows, Granlund, Gaunce, etc., can't give? Why would they want to take on a 3.75 mil cap hit for two more years beyond this one? He makes 4.5 and 5 million dollars in seasons after this. They are up against the cap already.

But I'm sure the Islanders would love to dump his salary.

Also, aside from it being too early to be giving up on Virtanen, who has the potential to be the type of player the Canucks need/want, there are other factors that make this a no fly zone for the Canucks.

I said this in another thread involving Lee and Virtanen. When there is a young power forward involved in Vancouver, there's always going to be a dark shadow of hanging overhead named Cam Neely. He was a local boy from the WHL, and wasn't being used well by the coach, but blossomed when traded.

Now look at Jake Virtanen, a local boy from the WHL, who's a power forward, and may or may not be being used well by the the coach.

Too many parallels. The city is still crying about the Neely trade 30 years later. Imagine the outcry if they did it again? There was an outcry when they traded Kassian because he was a power forward, even though he had issues.

After a long sellout streak, the Canucks are no longer a hot ticket in Vancouver. The fans aren't pleased with the management because they're trying to compete when it's obvious that window has closed, and it's time for a rebuild. A trade like this has the potential to drive away even more fans, and that's not something the owners want. It hits them right in the bank account.

The only way Virtanen gets traded is if the trade is stupid in Canucks favor or Virtanen has proven he's a complete bust.

Hit the nail on the head. Barring a management change, Jake will be a personal project for this organization.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

isles probably laugh this one off

Sure, if you add Juolevi

I realize Valuewise straight up it isn't equal.

But both guys in the future can be players that help your team in important top 6 roles.

We would obviously add to Virtanen since Barzal's value is higher. I think u guys are undervaluing Virtanen though. He is capable of helping u win now & he can improve but he's inconsistent & immature & living in his hometown wasn't helping him focus. That's why he was sent down, not cause he cant be a good player right now cause he can be.

We would need to add. Not Juolevi though. Something more realistic.