Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

[canuckking1]

I would’ve done the Ottawa trade instead of this one lol.

 

[Green Blank Stare]

If this trade puts them over the cap for next season, they have to be buying out OEL. They would save $7 million against the cap next season if they do.

 

[bossram]

While the PK performance is nice, it's great to know that two of his biggest "war" contrubtions are powerplay and finishing.

He's not getting PP1 time here and defensemen "finishing" ability is pretty inconsistent year to year unless you're one of the elite point shooters in the league.

Yep. The ultimate buy-high candidate destined for regression in production. When you can buy high on a PP specialist who you have no plans to play on PP1, you have to do it!

Yzerman absolutely dummied Allvin.

 

[credulous]

If this trade puts them over the cap for next season, they have to be buying out OEL. They would save $7 million against the cap next season if they do.

i think they still (despite all evidence to the contrary) think they can move out boeser, garland or myers without giving up much

 

[bossram]

If this trade puts them over the cap for next season, they have to be buying out OEL. They would save $7 million against the cap next season if they do.

 

[Gstank]

I seem to remember people telling me that it would be crazy if the Canucks traded for Chychurn even when I explained how he fits with this core. Well its the exact same logic with Hronek. 2/4 Top d filled 2 more to go.

Hopefully we can develope one fo those D out of JOhansson, Petey, Truscott, Jurmo and then sign a UFA. I wonder if the Canucks will look at Scott Mayfield this offseason

 

[Quinntessential]

the more I think about this, as Quinn Hughes’ biggest fan, and thinking purely about Quinn it hasn’t been fair at all to him after losing Taney he’s been on his own lugging around that back end and I’m glad that he has some help. It’s not fair that Petey has/had Miller, Bo, Brock, now Kuz and Beau etc. to work with while we give Hughes the likes of Schenn and Myers to play with. That part of this trade alone I think is a huge positive and I hope Hronek and Hughes can find chemistry, success, and just plain old have fun playing together. They could be like our version of a Niedermayer - Rafalski pairing, wouldn’t that be fun?

 

[bossram]

people have completely the wrong idea about what they are getting in hronek

he's a top 4 defender but he's way, way closer to myers than fans here are prepared for

He's really more of a Tyson Barrie clone. Who hits.

 

[credulous]

He's really more of a Tyson Barrie clone.

he's not nearly as good offensively as barrie

 

[LemonSauceD]

He's really more of a Tyson Barrie clone. Who hits.

He’s definitely not a Barrie lol. Tyson Barrie is in a different type of category.

 

[sting101]

This thread is providing me more entertainment than any game this season lol

.....Except the Habs game

fixed it for ya

 

[bossram]

I don’t really care what the ‘charts’ say. This is how the front office identified him. Whether they’re right or wrong will be determined how he plays within Tocchet’s system.

If he was just a PP specialist who was bad defensively do you think the FO would have spent such a high price on him?

They obviously see him as a guy who moulds well with Hughes in transition.

I don't really care how they "see" him or how they value Hronek. I don't trust management's decisions. Because they have shown time and again, on the big decisions and general direction of the club, they make the wrong ones.

 

[MS]

I don’t really care what the ‘charts’ say. This is how the front office identified him. Whether they’re right or wrong will be determined how he plays within Tocchet’s system.

If he was just a PP specialist who was bad defensively do you think the FO would have spent such a high price on him?

They obviously see him as a guy who moulds well with Hughes in transition.

Yeah, he's clearly not a 'PP specialist'. He doesn't even play the most PP minutes amongst D on his own team, and is a top-25 ES scoring defender in the NHL over the past two seasons. He's also been a regular PK guy since he entered the NHL.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

On the price;

EDM paid a 1st, 4th & a top prospect (last year's 1st) for Ekholm who's 32 with 3 years left.

NYI paid the 13th pick last year for Alex Romanov. Which is about where this pick is slated to be, if not a little higher than our pick.

Hronek is 25 & under club control. We all loved having another 1st but the price compared to the market isn't really that horrible.

 

[cc]

Detroit is much closer to a contending window than the Canucks so it makes little sense to lose a good dman but it looks like this was an offer they could not refuse. I'm sure they knew they were never going to get an offer as good as this one for him so they took it and ran before Allvin could change his mind

 

[bossram]

he's not nearly as good offensively as barrie

So he's even worse. Great.

But I just mean in terms of player profile: Guy who produces on the PP, but people mistakenly think is an all-situations puck-mover.

Except Hronek and Barrie both struggle with actually exiting the zone with possession.

He’s definitely not a Barrie lol. Tyson Barrie is in a different type of category.

He's a PP specialist that can't move the puck at evens. Same as Barrie.

 

[Quinntessential]

and he takes the harder minutes, if anything that helped Hronek

I think if you take any minutes, even harder minutes, away from a productive player and it will hurt their production.

Yeah, he's clearly not a 'PP specialist'. He doesn't even play the most PP minutes amongst D on his own team, and is a top-25 ES scoring defender in the NHL over the past two seasons. He's also been a regular PK guy since he entered the NHL.

Doesn’t that make him technically a #1D in terms of production?

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Top 4D take years to draft and develop. Years. That's even if you hit one, we've had some big misses like Juolevi. The Pettersson window is the next 6-8 years. We can't exactly spend 4-5 years waiting to draft and develop top 4D.

So we did a hockey trade, in a roundabout sorta way. Which really isn't the end of the world now that my rage has subsided and rationale is slowly returning.

The time to commit to a rebuild was last season, with moving Miller and making a run at Bedard. We chose to not do that, so this is what it is. Petey is a player worth building around imo.

The more time passes the more it's growing on me. I don't think I hate this trade.

We've been trying the retool since 2013 and have failed miserably for most of the last decade. Ironically, the one time it looked to be working, good ol' Benning let half the core walk over to Calgary. Now we're trying the same thing again but hoping it goes better this time.

Look, I don't think Hronek is a bad player by any stretch but not only did we buy high, he isn't addressing a core need of shoring up our defensive stability ala a Tanev type. Nor is he a cost controlled asset on a team without any cap wiggle room. Does Hronek move the needle in any noticeable fashion? Not really. It just keeps us in this perpetual bubble of not being good enough to make the playoffs but constantly too high to draft marque players.

We aren't building around Petey. We're desperately trying to take a short cut with the best hope of making the playoffs as a wild card so we can get slaughtered by Vegas or Colorado.

I'd love to be proven wrong, by the way. Give me plates and plates of crow after Hronek turns into 50-60 point player that helps elevate our blueline. I just don't see it happening. We've been doing this "retool" nonsense for too long.

 

[credulous]

Yeah, he's clearly not a 'PP specialist'. He doesn't even play the most PP minutes amongst D on his own team, and is a top-25 ES scoring defender in the NHL over the past two seasons. He's also been a regular PK guy since he entered the NHL.

he had no competition on the wings and they had the worst pk in the league over his career

So he's even worse. Great.

But I just mean in terms of player profile: Guy who produces on the PP, but people mistakenly think is an all-situations puck-mover.

Except Hronek and Barrie both struggle with actually exiting the zone with possession.

oh sure, in that case i'd agree

he's good on the power play but he's not elite. mostly it's because he has a very good shot

 

[Quinntessential]

he had no competition on the wings and they had the worst pk in the league over his career

He won’t have competition here either on that right side lol

 

[credulous]

He won’t have competition here either on that right side lol

true. i just don't think he's much of an improvement over what we have

 

[Sleepinghorse]

That's quite the price..
If the Chychrun price comes out and it's not too far off from this, that'll be hilarious.

And presto….just like that and it’s not far off.

Only difference is that the Ottawa pick is top-5 protected and the Islanders pick was top-12.

I don’t much care though. I didn’t want Chychrun, he’s hurt too often and Hughes has our left side top spot already. Chychrun would have been an upgrade defensively on Hughes, but downgrade on offense… and Hughes is not oft-injured the way Chychrun is.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I don’t mind Hronek as a #3. He’s physical, hits, is young, and can produce points. I just don’t like the timing of this trade.

If the Islanders pick 16-20, id feel less bad about it. I guess the main takeaway is that at least we got a young RHD with that package, arguably the most coveted position.

With the way Reinbacher’s draft rank has risen, there’s a good chance we take him with our first pick anyways, especially if we finish 7-10.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I will say that people dunking on the Canucks and saying the Chychrun deal is a steal is little bit weird. Chychrun to me is not worth that much more. He is always hurt and has been very much Jekyll and Hyde. One good season followed by a terrible one. I do think last offseason the Coyotes decided that they needed to showcased him as much as possible to make him look a attractive an asset as possible.

 

[Nucker101]

I think if you take any minutes, even harder minutes, away from a productive player and it will hurt their production.

Doesn’t that make him technically a #1D in terms of production?

Hronek was 2nd on DET in AVG TOI and he was splitting PP1 time with Seider, he'll be on PP2 getting scrap PP time ehre.


I have zero concerns about his offense. I don't think he's reliable enough defensively to handle tough minutes.