Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

[sting101]

I liked romanov but the isles board gave the impression at least he has been a struggle.

He has i've watched about 6 of their games and know someone who is a season ticket holder. Still has a ways to go makes a lot of mistakes still

 

[Baby Pettersson]

If Raty and Beau are also worth 1st round picks according to Allvin why didn't we trade them as the piece instead?

 

[Svencouver]

Chychrun is younger than Hronek lol

Yeah, but if one stays at their current level and the other gets better, the one that's a little older (they're basically the same age lol) would still end up the better player. I don't see the contradiction. I don't think its really likely, but I have been encouraged by Hroneks development, and his analytics this year are already approaching Chychrun's.

While, again, still prefacing all this that this is a huge overpay and that I do not like the trade; I have at least been able to see the logic in every pro scouting target they've approached so far. Beauvillier was a pretty smart analytics target that bottomed out in the post-Trotz NYI void, and Bear has been good, too. I guess we'll see the value of a very analytics heavy pro scouting framework with this management group, as it's clearly what drives their decisions.

 

[Quinntessential]

Better contract value? Chychrun is a #1 defenceman getting paid 4.6 million this year and next while Hronek, a middle pairing defenceman is getting paid 4.4 million for the same term. I know we got some pretty good stuff around here, but this is one hell of a take.

Even with Chychrun becoming a UFA at the end of his contract, you have no issues paying players like him. They're game changers.

Chychrun could also just walk away at the end of his contract and lose him for nothing, regardless of your willingness to pay him.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I do think Hronek has potential to be better than Chychrun, but I dont know if I would bet on it. Depends on if this is an outlier year, or if this season is real development and he's actually becoming a better player. Big pro scouting bet, the biggest theyve made by far.

This is my angle on it. While price paid isn't ideal (particularly adding the 2nd), RHD like this come at a cost. My concern is more; is this actually the guy we need, or is it an outlier?

They clearly think he's a top pair or top 3D. If he is then this could turn out very well. If he can't move the needle defensively this could be bad.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Just absolutely blows my mind that they had a player like John Marino available last offseason, who’s a better fit for what they need and signed for 5 years @ $4.4M, and couldn’t make it work but completely overpay for Hronek who’s going to be looking for a hefty raise after next season. Complete mismanagement.

They signed Boeser, Mikaylev and Miller. Got into cap trouble. Had to send a 2nd to offload Dickinson for relief.

Now they sent a 1st and 2nd off to Detroit and we are in cap trouble again...

It is comical mismanagement. Teams will do us no favours when we try to trade Boeser and Garland. We have essentially screwed up again.

 

[DFAC]

Next up: Trading next years 1st round pick for Jamie Benn

Might as well just get it over with now

 

[Zaddy91]

Terrible for the tank/rebuild/patient blah blah blah.

But the pain of watching Myers is hopefully gone so not too upset.

 

[Nucker101]

Yeah, but if one stays at their current level and the other gets better, the one that's a little older (they're basically the same age lol) would still end up the better player. I don't see the contradiction. I don't think its really likely, but I have been encouraged by Hroneks development, and his analytics this year are already approaching Chychrun's.

While, again, still prefacing all this that this is a huge overpay and that I do not like the trade; I have at least been able to see the logic in every pro scouting target they've approached so far. Beauvillier was a pretty smart analytics target that bottomed out in the post-Trotz NYI void, and Bear has been good, too. I guess we'll see the value of a very analytics heavy pro scouting framework with this management group, as it's clearly what drives their decisions.

I'd argue that Hronek has played in a much more stable environment this year than Chychrun has in years.


And Chychrun to my eye is much more reliable defensively and someone I'd be okay with lining up against top lines, freeing up Hughes on his own pair. Hronek is not a guy I'd want defending against top lines.

 

[Svencouver]

I'd argue that Hronek has played in a much more stable environment this year than Chychrun has in years.

I agree, and it's why I'll be intrigued to see how both players fit into their new teams. You can look into all the microstats you want, but those are only subjective to the team they're currently playing on.

 

[Peter Griffin]

They signed Boeser, Mikaylev and Miller. Got into cap trouble. Had to send a 2nd to offload Dickinson for relief.

Now they sent a 1st and 2nd off to Detroit and we are in cap trouble again...

It is comical mismanagement. Teams will do us no favours when we try to trade Boeser and Garland.

It honestly rivals Benning’s “we ran out of time”. “We ran out of cap space. Not sure what happened?!?”

 

[Tak7]

The difference between Hronek & Chychrun was an extra 2nd rounder.

If you're going to completely abandon the idea of a rebuild & show 0 value for future assets / capital, why not just go all-in on the big fish?

 

[MS]

On what planet is Chychrun worth about the same as Hronek? Are management drunk today?

It's actually really interesting. Perception - and I include myself in this - is that Chychrun is worth WAY more than Hronek.

But they're the same age from the same draft, basically identical production, same cap hit, same TOI, both have some defensive questions (we've heard reports in the last day or so that concerns about Chychrun's defense were limiting his value), Hronek is more physical, Hronek is a RHS. Chychrun is bigger and has more pedigree.

Now, I'd be happier as an Ottawa fan with their trade, obviously. But I don't think the difference between these players is quite as huge as being made out.

 

[Slapshot_11]

And the dude is injured too?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Just absolutely blows my mind that they had a player like John Marino available last offseason, who’s a better fit for what they need and signed for 5 years @ $4.4M, and couldn’t make it work but completely overpay for Hronek who’s going to be looking for a hefty raise after next season. Complete mismanagement.

Would it be better if they had traded their first for Marino in the summer? (Marino who's play had slipped a bit PIT)

 

[credulous]

It's actually really interesting. Perception - and I include myself in this - is that Chychrun is worth WAY more than Hronek.

But they're the same age from the same draft, basically identical production, same cap hit, same TOI, both have some defensive questions (we've heard reports in the last day or so that concerns about Chychrun's defense were limiting his value), Hronek is more physical, Hronek is a RHS. Chychrun is bigger and has more pedigree.

Now, I'd be happier as an Ottawa fan with their trade, obviously. But I don't think the difference between these players is quite as huge as being made out.

you could not be more wrong. hronek is one of the softest defenders in the league

 

[AzNightmare]

Need to sell and move the team.
And come back completely fresh as an expansion team.
Then we may only need to wait 2 years like Seattle... not 10+ and still ongoing...

 

[Slapshot_11]

(we've heard reports in the last day or so that concerns about Chychrun's defense were limiting his value)

Show me the reports

 

[Svencouver]

And the dude is injured too?

You know if you think about it its like we got an IR slot for nothing

 

[MS]

It's all about the ES points.

Hughes can succeed with a guy like Schenn, he doesn't need much help. If anything Hronek with Hughes might actually mean less possession time for Hughes and not provide an net scoring boost to the team. That's why I think he's not Hughes long term partner. They will try to get two pairings rolling offensively at ES, one around Hughes and one around Hronek. Hronek on the PP is irrelevant as Hughes will dominate time.

Two separate pairings is one option and trying to tilt the ice with an ultra-skilled Makar-Toews pairing is the other option. I imagine both will be tried.

Playing with Toews instead of some big defensive guy certainly hasn't held back Makar, and quite the exact opposite.

 

[Nucker101]

you could not be more wrong. hronek is one of the softest defenders in the league

Chychrun is for sure the more reliable defender. I have zero doubts about that.

 

[sting101]

Chychrun could also just walk away at the end of his contract and lose him for nothing, regardless of your willingness to pay him.

yes that the big gamble for OTT. They are gonna have to lay out a Sergachev contract and hope he signs it now

 

[Peter Griffin]

Would it be better if they had traded their first for Marino in the summer? (Marino who's play had slipped a bit PIT)

They could’ve traded last year’s 2nd and this year’s 2nd and it would’ve trumped the Devils offer. I doubt they even made the Pens an offer last season as they didn’t even have the capspace.

 

[Svencouver]

Two separate pairings is one option and trying to tilt the ice with an ultra-skilled Makar-Toews pairing is the other option. I imagine both will be tried.

Playing with Toews instead of some big defensive guy certainly hasn't held back Makar, and quite the exact opposite.

I expect they'll deploy both depending on the situation. I can see them loading the top pair if they're behind in the 3rd, given how much they already play Hughes in those sorts of situations.

 

[dez]

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, But they didn't even weaponize there extra cap space for more picks instead they used it on Hronek which pushes them over (or close to) the cap for next season which puts them in an even further position of weakness when trying to dump contracts.