Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

[DFAC]

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Allvin got fleeced here. That first round pick, (and the 2nd, for god's sake) should have only been in play at the draft.

If DET doesn't make the playoffs, they could probably get Hronek for half the cost as the picks would be worth more.

I can't believe we traded yet another 2nd round pick.

 

[andyJH]

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I’m not disputing that it did not turn out well in a vacuum.

I’m saying that the 99th percentile of best possible outcomes made literally zero difference to this franchise.

I was agreeing with you. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the trade could have been a massive home run if management had cashed in on Miller for some of the rumoured packages.

 

[Gurn]

capfriendly show 16 players on next seasons roster and about $100,000 over the cap.
good luck moving people, now that the entire league will realize the Canucks HAVE TO move people.

Unless it has already been decided to buy out OEL, which will hurt for years- or OEL will be a permanent LTRI guy.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

The plan was to build around the elite players we have now, and I agree with that plan. We need to build around Pettersson, Hughes, Demko, and now Kuzmenko. Getting high draft picks at this point makes no sense with those players around.

Logan, you need to reflect on your support of the Benning regime which got the Canucks to this point: consistently being a bad team that accidentally acquired a core of young talent by sucking.

Question: What lessons can you take from the last 8-10 years?

 

[krutovsdonut]

i am just astonished at this move. it's a huge gamble to move a pick like this.

i am also confused on the timing. one possibility is that yzerman needs a pick to get chycrun so he made the approach. supposing that is true, i don't like the 2nd at all but at least i can comprehend why it happened now. maybe we even picked hronek as the guy we wanted.

the other possibility is that allvin decided he was julien brisebois and picked up the phone and called yzerman in the middle of a playoff hunt with the tdl looming and asked him what it would take for him to give up his highest minute right side dman who plays all situations right now, not this summer.

if that is what happened, then allvin is a complete moron.

 

[Svencouver]

I think Hronek is a ~#3 D all things considered. Putting him on the 2nd pairing will be like, disgustingly big for the defense, even if he isn't worth the cost. (I think this is paying too much and Yzerman f***ed us lol)

My only real consolation in this trade is that the depth affect is very, very real. Adding one guy doesnt just add one guy. It moves down worse guys. Like, if we got Bedard in the lottery, all of a sudden our forward depth would look like this:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier
Podkolzin-Bedard-Mikheyev
Garland-Miller-Kravtsov
Joshua-Aman-Dries

Which is, uh, very very good. It's "main thread board about the Canucks forward depth isnt a meme" good. Likewise, our depth chart on D now looks like this:

Hughes - Bear
Wolanin - Hronek
OEL - Myers

I think it's a pretty effective strategy to pair guys like Hughes and Hronek who are mobile and good at moving the puck with guys who wouldn't necessarily be #2-4D on their own. And both Bear and Wolanin are good enough to be those guys. It means that we just do not have to play OEL and Myers nearly as much for as long as they're stuck here, and they can actually be the very expensive bottom pairing they're suited for instead of the still very expensive middle pairing that plays more minutes than they should be.

Look at Calgary last year, right. Losing Tanev, one single key RHD, lost them the series vs Edmonton. Im 100% sure of that. It's not just the loss of Tanev that ruined them, it's the fact that they had to play Zadorov and Gudbranson vs McDavid and Kane for almost every shift.

Again, still not happy with the trade, but I'm trying to look at a glass thats 8/10ths empty as if it were half full.

 

[Vector]

 

[timw33]

This is the kind of trade you make in the 48 hours leading up to the NHL draft and it costs you a 2nd/3rd rounder and maybe a B prospect: Sigenthaler, Marino, Graves, Toews, all guys traded with either term or team control. You don't just a team just dump 4.4MM in cap for nothing and not get a discounted price.

I don't mind the player. I don't mind his contract. I just *****ing hate the price, and more importantly the timing and what it means for their plans.

Hard to not feel a bit hopeless and just be baffled at what they are trying to do. I haven't seen this place so excited for a draft in years with multiple 1st round picks.

Hronek essentially needs to emerge as a breakout top pair player for us for this value to make sense, and for a reasonable ~5 year extension to lock up 27-32 year old seasons to make it a home run. I pray that our pro scouting read knows something we don't know about the potential of Hronek.

Multiple more moves at deadline, draft, and offseason are an absolute must to continue reshaping this D core.

Got this news while shin deep in a muddy work site so the vibes are not good.

 

[dez]

Not only do you give up the first, Hronek makes you a better team marginally and pushes you further away from a top 4 pick this year. This is hard to swallow and for me probably equal to when OEL was traded for.

 

[aight]

This team has zero hope for the future. Just a trash trade and as usual the aboulste worst target in terms of fit. It’s like Benning himself never left.

That’s because Benning never did leave. Sure, James Elmer Benning is gone, but it’s been the same grimy scumbag Benning steering the ship since before Mike Gillis departed.

 

[Tables of Stats]

In a vacuum, we gave up fair value for Hronek.

This is a move that makes sense IF you think that our forward core is good enough when everybody is healthy and that Demko can be Vezina quality behind an improved defense. The issue is that we still don't have the cap room to address our defense fully and we badly need a 3rd line center that moves the needle.

Management must like the idea of going into next season with something like:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Beauvillier
Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Garland - ????? - Kravtsov
Pearson - 4L C* - Podkolzin
Aman, Lazar

Hughes - ???
Brisbois - Hronek
OEL - Myers
Brisbois

Demko
Backup

*4L C is likely a player we've seen in the role this season.

That's still pretty ugly and has some holes that we don't have the cap room or asset value to easily fill. In theory, this lineup shouldn't be as awful defensively as we've been this season while still having a high level of scoring threat but that falls apart when you look and still don't see how we fix the PK. It's also a concern for those of us who were hoping recent moves meant we should expect a proper firesale and rebuild this offseason.

I dislike it but not as much as some around here will.

 

[Peen]

capfriendly show 16 players on next seasons roster and about $100,000 over the cap.
good luck moving people, now that the entire league will realize the Canucks HAVE TO move people.

Unless it has already been decided to buy out OEL, which will hurt for years- or OEL will be a permanent LTRI guy.

Media guys poured water on any OEL buyout discussion when it came to fitting Horvat the last 6 months.

Now I actually do not see any other option. There has to be some more out-of-left-field nonsense incoming.

 

[CherryToke]

JEBmania without JEB

 

[Quinntessential]

I’m just going to come out and say it.

We traded a 20th overall pick for a guy we thought was a second liner.

Miller ended up being an elite first line scorer. Consistently healthy. PPG+. Top ten in scoring the last four years.

It has done f*** all to our winning position.

This is a meaningless acquisition unless they can work miracles around it. That is the sad reality of it.

Now they have zero leverage. No cap space and everyone knows they want to win next year.

I think you're overvaluing the 1st round pick we gave up because keeping it would mostly likely also do f*** all to our winning position and become meaningless if the pick busts. It's unlikely that it would turn into a defender as good as Hronek, and if it does, it would take 5-7 years. Hronek is still pretty young so that helps, only 2 years older than Hughes.

 

[PavelBure10]

I like Hronek, but I like having two first round draft picks in a strong draft even more.
A first and second round is quite steep for Hronek. Hronek is a good player who fills the power play point void, but he doesn't really check a lot of boxes other than his youth and offensive game.
This trade boggles my mind. Just when Allvin starts accumulating draft picks in a strong draft and starts to finally give me hope and faith in our management and direction going forward. Then Allvin makes a head scratching trade such as this one that makes you say to yourself WTF!!! There really is no direction with this team, should of been rebuilding and adding more draft picks and prospects to restock the prospect cupboard which has been already bare for years. Two first rounders is a lot more important to the team who is lacking any future in their system.
Besides 1st round draft picks in a strong draft are f**king hard to get.

ALWAYS, one step forward 10 steps back with this team.

 

[Vector]

Media guys poured water on any OEL buyout discussion when it came to fitting Horvat the last 6 months.

Now I actually do not see any other option. There has to be some more out-of-left-field nonsense incoming.

The problem we keep saying this.

They had to fix the winger problem. There are more wingers signed to next season than when we began.

They had to fix the defence. Went in with the exact same group.

 

[VanJack]

First hand evidence of how Yzerman built the Lightning into a perennial Stanley Cup contender......and he'll do it again for Detroit.

As long there are fellow NHL sheep to be shorn like the Canucks, he's succeed long before they ever do.

 

[Michoulicious]

OMG sorry Vancouver.

 

[nowhereman]

The narrative that Hronek is a poor player and "no better than Ethan Bear" is just flat-out wrong. I'm not a fan of the value we gave up and this was most likely the wrong move at the wrong time (and will hurt the tank) but we're not getting table scraps back. Hronek is a good defender.

That said, I'm not seeing much of a change in strategy between the Benning era and the Allvin-era...

 

[geebaan]

Imagine trading for a guy that now puts you over the cap for next year. f*** sakes what the hell are we doing. Right back to the no plan plan. Kill me now.

 

[Red]

What the actual f***. We never ever learn.

 

[Canucker]

And Chychrun goes for slightly more...sad times.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

The narrative that Hronek is a poor player and "no better than Ethan Bear" is just flat-out wrong. I'm not a fan of the value we gave up and this was most likely the wrong move at the wrong time (and will hurt the tank) but we're not getting table scraps back. Hronek is a good defender.

Apparently hronek is injured