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Speculation: Value Of: Thomas Vanek

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Let me begin this by saying that this is my first thread. I've been reading the board for a few years and have enjoyed reading all of your opinions about the team. I also know this might sound a little crazy given all that went on this offseason, but I just want to see if the board has any interest in bringing Vanek back, and what you think that would cost.

1. Could he be available?
While I haven't heard anything about him being shopped, Minnesota currently sits at the bottom of the Central Division. Vanek, who was brought in to score goals, has not really supplied them. He's 9-20-29 in 47 games, while posting a -12. I feel like it's safe to say that he hasn't fit into the Wild's system. We've already seen how well he fits into ours. He's not one of the players they offered a 13 year contract to; they didn't exactly bring him in for the long haul. At what point do they decide to switch things up? Maybe Fletcher is willing to listen to an offer at this point.

2. Does His Contract Work?
As you're probably aware, he took the 3 year/19.5 mil (6.5 per) deal with the Wild over the long term contract Snow offered him this summer. IMO, with two years left after this one, this is a perfect amount of time to have him on Tavares' line to give Dal Colle some time to develop (another year in BP, a year playing on the second line getting used NHL pace)

3. What would it take to get him?
Just spitballin here; While the Wild are stacked on the wings (Parise, Vanek, Pominville Neidereitter, Zucker) they're not exactly teeming with depth up the middle, and would probably welcome the addition of a top-6 center. We have a lot of those. What we also have a whole lot of depth with our defensive prospects, and with the acquisitions of Leddy and Boychuck(plz sign), not enough places to put them. This is why I could see an offer of something like Grabovski, Mayfield, and a 2016 3rd being something both teams could agree to

This move would (when Okposo comes back) give us one of the top 1st lines in the league (in addition to the best fourth line of all time :naughty:) . Grabovski is a solid player - but has not really played on the PP or PK, so this would give us a huge boost on the PP as well without hurting our PK. Does it sure up our backup goaltending? No. Does it give us defensive depth in case Vis goes down in the playoffs? No. Would it be weird to bring him back after he turned down our deal? Maybe - but it didn't seem like we burned any bridges with him. Does it immediately make us a better team in a year where we're hunting for the cup? ABSOLUTELY.

OK - Crazy proposition over. Looking forward to reading your responses, and LGI!!
 
Big fat nope from me. Don't need him, don't want him. Glad he didn't sign so we can get a more well rounded team.

And, for the most important part, he didn't want to play here. Everyone in our locker room right now does. He wouldn't sign with us in free agency... for more money. Why would we send valuable assets that want to be here for someone who clearly didn't want to in the off-season when we didn't need to give up assets?

Lastly, he is a lazy player. I want nothing to do with him on a team that bases its entire game on pedal to the metal hockey. He was absolutely abysmal in the playoffs last year, which was not an anomaly. He is a coaster, and playoff hockey exposes him.
 
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Unlike others I liked Vanek and think he adds an offensive element to every line he plays on. He also made a big mistake by not signing here. He could've played with Tavares for the remainder of his career and put up points.

As we see with everyone that plays with JT they put up points one way or another. He would not have had trouble putting points up. He would've had trouble keeping up with our defensive game compared to guys like Kulemin and Grabovski. Vanek is a first line superstar. Do I take him this season? Yes. Do I take him for the next 2 years with some big contracts coming up? No not exactly.

Bailey has been great on the top line. While I don't think Okposo should be playing with Tavares you can tell he was heating up finally.

We are fine without Vanek. I would take him back but only for this year with the way his play is declining. Isles dodged a Yashin sized bullet on that 7 year deal.
 
The Vanek ship has sailed. The Okposo injury definitely stings, but we have excellent versatility and depth up front so we can weather injuries. This is where having 13 NHL forwards for 12 spots comes up big for us.
 
No thanks. Vanek turning us down was probably the best thing that could have happened to Snow. Even though the 1st line isn't as high powered without him, they are far from the train wreck that they were defensively with him. Add in that contract - we have guys to re-sign in the coming years as well as an internal cap. Bailey has fit in quite well there. It just doesn't make sense.

I love the makeup of our team, and especially our forwards. No need for a drastic move like this, especially when - IMO - it makes us worse.
 
Thanks for the thought out responses guys - I was bracing to be torn to shreds haha.

Welcome to the board. You should continue to post more. We each take turns making Main Board threads. I think yours should be: "McDonagh so scared of incoming Islanders dynasty, puts puck in own net as Isles set for another 4 straight cups." :D
 
Welcome to the board. You should continue to post more. We each take turns making Main Board threads. I think yours should be: "McDonagh so scared of incoming Islanders dynasty, puts puck in own net as Isles set for another 4 straight cups." :D

hahahaha - posted an eerily similar Facebook status last night!
 
Honestly, I think he's unnecessary at this point. Our forward depth is totally filled in right now with guys who fit in their respective roles, I think it's perfect. Save the cap space for keeping this team together IMO.
 
does anyone really want to add vanek after his playoff performance last year?
we have a team of heart and soul guys, we do not want to add a floater that doesnt pull his weight in the playoffs, C'mon now.
 
Let me begin this by saying that this is my first thread. I've been reading the board for a few years and have enjoyed reading all of your opinions about the team. I also know this might sound a little crazy given all that went on this offseason, but I just want to see if the board has any interest in bringing Vanek back, and what you think that would cost.

1. Could he be available?
While I haven't heard anything about him being shopped, Minnesota currently sits at the bottom of the Central Division. Vanek, who was brought in to score goals, has not really supplied them. He's 9-20-29 in 47 games, while posting a -12. I feel like it's safe to say that he hasn't fit into the Wild's system. We've already seen how well he fits into ours. He's not one of the players they offered a 13 year contract to; they didn't exactly bring him in for the long haul. At what point do they decide to switch things up? Maybe Fletcher is willing to listen to an offer at this point.

2. Does His Contract Work?
As you're probably aware, he took the 3 year/19.5 mil (6.5 per) deal with the Wild over the long term contract Snow offered him this summer. IMO, with two years left after this one, this is a perfect amount of time to have him on Tavares' line to give Dal Colle some time to develop (another year in BP, a year playing on the second line getting used NHL pace)

3. What would it take to get him?
Just spitballin here; While the Wild are stacked on the wings (Parise, Vanek, Pominville Neidereitter, Zucker) they're not exactly teeming with depth up the middle, and would probably welcome the addition of a top-6 center. We have a lot of those. What we also have a whole lot of depth with our defensive prospects, and with the acquisitions of Leddy and Boychuck(plz sign), not enough places to put them. This is why I could see an offer of something like Grabovski, Mayfield, and a 2016 3rd being something both teams could agree to

This move would (when Okposo comes back) give us one of the top 1st lines in the league (in addition to the best fourth line of all time :naughty:) . Grabovski is a solid player - but has not really played on the PP or PK, so this would give us a huge boost on the PP as well without hurting our PK. Does it sure up our backup goaltending? No. Does it give us defensive depth in case Vis goes down in the playoffs? No. Would it be weird to bring him back after he turned down our deal? Maybe - but it didn't seem like we burned any bridges with him. Does it immediately make us a better team in a year where we're hunting for the cup? ABSOLUTELY.

OK - Crazy proposition over. Looking forward to reading your responses, and LGI!!

Well-couched proposal, but I agree with a few of the above posts - it'd be nice, but the ship's sailed.

When I look at the first line back then with Vanek and now with Bailey, Bailey looks a little like a more defensively reliable, less offensively dynamic Vanek. I think the Isles can get away with Bailey there without eating Vanek's contract and bracing for any lengths of uninspired play Vanek brings when he's not driving around below the faceoff circles.

I'd rather pick up a defenseman like Tim Gleason (been banging that particular gong for months) and a backup who can be a true 1A if need be. A little more true grit on pairing 3 and a backup who can handle duties reliably when Halak needs a breather would sew up just about any remaining needs we've got.

Unless Minnesota were sending back such a defenseman and a goalie, I don't see these two organizations helping each other out, despite being in different conferences.
 
Wow. Look how far we've come. It appears as though most Isles fans would prefer Bailey over Vanek at this point. Who the eff would have predicted that a year ago?
 
Plus, you can't give two stacks of assets for this guy. Especially when you were skewered so savagely for the net loss that was the first trade.

The already guy said no thanks to being an Islander, so...

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Yeah, I agree. Even after he rejected Snow's 7 yr/ $50m offer, was dealt away to Montreal and dogged it, Snow still came back and made him a 3 yr/ $21m offer.. I have read that Snow's 3 yr offer was slightly higher then Minn.'s offer..

Screw Vanek
 
With that contract of his?

Forget it. We'd be doing the Wild a favor if we took him off their hands.
 
it would be a gamble. I'd bet that he wouldn't be a fit here anymore. The odds of them trying to make the deal are slim to none.
 
1. Could he be available?

From the Wild's POV? He's not going to be cheap to get.. but if someone starts throwing around firsts and key prospects they'll obviously listen.. he's probably not untouchable though..

From Vanek's POV? No idea. He has a NTC, apparently.

2. Does His Contract Work?

For the 2014 off-season it worked just fine.. for the 2014-15 Islanders looking toward the future, maybe not so much..

3. What would it take to get him?

Sebastian Collberg and a conditional 2nd round draft pick, apparently.

Maybe it's just my impression, but Snow doesn't appear to waste much energy on guys who don't wanna be here..

Hockey asset wise and based on our current team, it wouldn't be worth it (to me) to give up any more key pieces for Vanek.
 
He's living out the dream, playing in Minnesota on a big-money contract, taking it nice and easy.

Why on earth would he want to leave that situation? To win? To play with a young franchise center he has chemistry with?

More than anything he wanted to play in Minnesota. Now he gets to play in Minnesota. Careful what you wish for, kids.
 
Wow. Look how far we've come. It appears as though most Isles fans would prefer Bailey over Vanek at this point. Who the eff would have predicted that a year ago?

:laugh: - well, to be fair, Bailey's stepped it up - maybe not as offensively gifted as Vanek at the NHL level, but his defensive prowess evens that line out. That, plus the price tag makes it an easy decision. :thumbu:
 
In this hypothetical is Mrs. Vanek giving Thomas his balls back, or forcing him to start playing with a full effort on a nightly basis? If not, then a resounding no.
 

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