Raptors Discussion: v96| Playoff Round 1 vs Philadelphia
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LaPlante94
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The Nemesis
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Gotta chase that Drake clout, apparently.
I miss when the team had purple jerseys. Remember when the Raptors wore purple and it was different and not red like almost half the league? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
As much as I used to like the reds when they were occasional alts, I never wanted them as mains.
Scottie might just be our best player as early as next year...he's incredible.
I agree, he’d be a great fit. A bigger and younger version of Serge Ibaka in some ways… but at what cost? Pacers likely want a haul and I can’t think of anything that makes sense for both. Can try to include a 3rd team that values Dragic and/or Boucher but neither have much trade value at this point.
Are you trading a 1st round pick for Turner, a year removed from the lottery?
One fair criticism of Masai is that he hasn’t drafted centres very well. Kenneth Farried was the best in Denver and while Poeltl is a decent player and provided value in the Kawhi trade, he’s rather underwhelming as a top 10 pick. It seems the best approach for Masai is to trade for an already established big rather than draft and develop one.
Turner is worth the 1st +, but is this the time for the Raptors to make that move? Tough call.
Apotheosis
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The future is bright. Hope the slide continues a little more so they can get one of the top 3 bigs in the next draft and then make a splash in free agency in the next 2-3 years. Trent, OG and Barnes is nice to build around as it is.
djdev
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he low-key might be our best all around player already tbh. hes our best pure passer, our best rebounder(imo), as good as siakam as a shot-blocking wing, and our 3rd best defender behind fred and OG.and now hes hitting 3s in the 40% range. in reality the only thing that he needs reps on is his iso half court game. its incredible to watch game to game and week to week his improvement. you can actually see him learning in game.
Maplebeasts
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I'm honestly blown away. I was expecting minimal scoring for at least two years post draft but he's already putting up points with respectable efficiency while being great at playaking, rebounding, rim protection and providing tons of character and leadership. This guy could be a top 5 player in the NBA within 3 years if his development keeps up.
djdev
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ye, i feel silly for wanting suggs lol. i heard he was a 0 level scorer and 30 games in hes almost a 3 level scorer(his 3 point % has been great the past dozen games) if he can score like a star in the future, not sure the NBA has seen a player quite like him ever tbh. he could end up being a longer version of what simmons should have been lol.
Maplebeasts
I See Demons!!!!!
That's exactly it. We were told by scouting services that if you took Barnes you were doing so with the knowledge that his shooting form was bad and that he might never become a passable scoring option. We're not even half way in to his rookie season and he is dangerous in the paint, can score with efficiency from the mid-range and is average from 3. That's crazy development over such a short period of time. He looks leaps and bounds better now than he did at the start of the season, where he looked leaps and bounds better than he did in summer league.
djdev
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ye, and his defense is improving rapidly too, u can see his spacing the last 10 games or so is much better and his help defense too, which is allowing him to be in great position to use his crazy lenth for shotblock and contests along with steals and deflects, its happening!
I'm not sure why everyone in here is claiming his 'development' is crazy/exponential.
You wouldn't say Cade has shown crazy development as a shooter because he was ice cold to start the year and merely showed some positive regression.
This is only 1/3rd of the way through Barnes' rookie year. He's been able to do this stuff from essentially day 1. His college Covid season - running back-up PG at FSU - didn't do a good job displaying his skills. There was alot of buzz at the combine, and he moved up draft boards as soon as the draft process started.
I'd say the general 'zero level scorer' scouting report was just flat out wrong. He's just really good at everything.
There were some draftniks that had him as the sleeper BEST prospect in the draft. Some analysts said he's a top 3 pick (Thorpe, Ford, Hollinger). Those people were right. You knew they were right after summer league. Buckle up with this kid, his IQ and ability is tier 1. He just needs the reps and experience to know when and how to best take advantage of his upper echelon skill/size.
djdev
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the thing is it wasnt really wrong if you look at his shot in college, it was pretty broken, i watched a ton of video after the pick and it was very different than what we are seeing now. everyone in the basketball world outside of a select few (david thorpe mainly, who has actually even said he is surprised as well) said the same, hes progressed at a crazy rate since the end of the college year and that really cant be denied, that fact that he came into the preseason with way better mechanics should lend more validity to what im saying not less lol. also, cade cunningham was known as a good shooter coming into the draft so its kind of an apples and oranges thing.
at the end of the day, you can just watch his NBA games and see differences from the game 5 mark to the game 15 mark etc. its not all that it happened between college and the nba, but its happening in the best league in the world as the season progresses.
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djdev
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Watching Scottie feels a little like watching Matthews' rookie season. You don't really care if they win. It's so much fun watching a super-talented young player grow and you can see what the future might hold.
The one big hole in his game was supposed to be his shooting and in less than half a season he's already shown that he will probably be at least average. I really don't know what his ceiling is right now. Earlier in this thread I said he's the Raptors' best prospect since Vince, but I think I'm ready to drop the 'since Vince' part.
djdev
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ye, him and vince have alot in common when it comes to exceeding expectations from the jump, but barnes is going to be a much more complete player imo.
some of my favorite seasons have been more about the rookies than the team, i remember beating jordan and the bulls(72-10 record that year) with a rookie stoudamire...that night i became a raptors lifer lol.
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Hey agree to disagree man. I watched all the scouting videos on Scottie pre-draft. His 'hitch' was gone during his workouts and at the combine. Nurse basically said after drafting him, and I'm paraphrasing, 'his shot ain't broken', and the concerns were overblown. Nurse is a shooting guru.
The scouting report was wrong. Nurse disagreed with it. His team drafted him ahead of the consensus 4th pick. He's essentially the BEST shooter in the draft over the 1st couple months.
He was hitting mid-range shots and a couple threes in summer league. He had isos and no look passes in summer league. He had high assist games.
Of course he's going to show different things in his first 15-25 games as a rookie. There's variance every game in what stats and matchups he sees. That's literally expected IMO.
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