cool, watch them get caved in.I'd rather bet on our ridiculously over-talented d-corps to lead us to the play-offs than another winger and a high pick.
cool, watch them get caved in.I'd rather bet on our ridiculously over-talented d-corps to lead us to the play-offs than another winger and a high pick.
I dont view him that way at all. I prefer to keep him. The point that OP said numerous times was just for fun. If given the choice between:
Crouse
Iginla
Byram locked up longer
still having #11 to keep or trade (id trade for Cirelli personally)
makes it a choice between:
adding Crouse, Cirelli, Iginla (which makes our forward prospects more moveable), and Byram locked up longer (and at less than Power).....makes some sense even if trading Power makes no sense. It was a hypothetical
You want a playoff roster? You trade for Crouse, Cirelli and eventually Iginla...
That’s exactly my pointHuh. Who says Power doesn't want to be in Buffalo? That is bizarre. He is from the west end of Toronto. His family has season tickets (ran into his mom before a game in Florida once). It is very easy for them to see him or for him to go home.
I'd like our forward core to be able to match that Ducks team....and we aren't even close.I get the depth. For me, the greatest Sabres team ever was 2005-2006, which didn't have the superstar but also had so few, if any, glaring weaknesses. It would be tough to build that type of team again today.
I just don't see Byram as all that close to Power with his major advantage contract — something that will disappear on his own longer deal.
I think this time Sabres have a clear opportunity to build something more like the Anaheim Mighty Ducks team that won it all. That team had three good D helped the team tilt the ice and two all-stars. Pronger/Niedermayer/Beuchemin chewed up 80 minutes a night.
If Samuellson/Byram both develop and stay healthy, it's a deadly top four potentially. Power/Dahlin as superstars with two very strong guys behind them. You could almost just hide your third pair in easy minutes like Ducks did.
Regardless of optics if this was seriously offered to GMBA he would be insane not to take it, and I'm a huge fan of Crouse and GMBA's drafting. Power is a #1D already. He's well on his way to becoming a top 10 or top 5 d-man in the league. He's exactly who you hope to draft at 6 and he's doing it NOW and not in 2+ years. He's freaking 21.Ryan Smith just bought the team for a BILLION dollars. He’s going to want his moment on the stage, at the Sphere. I believe Utah is 100% picking at 6th.
Crouse is worth far more than the 11th pick and I also think it's pretty unlikely he would get traded for Byram, who I would say is also probably at least slightly less valuable than him. Utah would probably love to get Byram on the team but they'd be looking to do the same sort of deal they did for Durzi or McBain and the same kind of deal Buffalo would love for Crouse, picks and prospects.crouse for 11 pick or Byram for crouse
Crouse for 11 pick and krebs ?Crouse is worth far more than the 11th pick and I also think it's pretty unlikely he would get traded for Byram, who I would say is also probably at least slightly less valuable than him. Utah would probably love to get Byram on the team but they'd be looking to do the same sort of deal they did for Durzi or McBain and the same kind of deal Buffalo would love for Crouse, picks and prospects.
But more importantly I don't think Utah wants to trade Crouse at all and it would take a bonafide upgrade to trade him. They definitely won't be trading him for picks or prospects.
He's on a team friendly deal, signed long term, is exactly the kind of player you want for the playoffs, and would probably produce a lot more on a team like Buffalo.
I think his value compared to what fans think is a lot higher. I can imagine there might also be some Utah fans who wouldn't take this deal because Crouse + 6th is insanely valuable, but personally I think this is one of the only ways they could acquire a legit #1D who is young enough to fit their rebuild. Losing Crouse hurts and wouldn't be easy to replace but gaining Power gives them a hugely improved D-core and allows them to play 1 of Durzi/Moser on the 2nd pair which would be fantastic for the team.
Neither of these deals are anywhere close to good value, so no. Maccelli is a 60pt winger at 3m who's 23. Tacking on Byram to Krebs and 11 doesn't let you just add that to get both.11 pick, byram and krebs for Crouse & macelli
Crouse for 11 pick and krebs ?
Not even closeI would love to get Crouse. Moving Power is not happening. Would Rosen and a 2024 2nd get it done?
I think you're overvaluing him quite a bit. We've seen what guys similar to his playstyle get in a return and the 11th itself would be quite a lot.Crouse is worth far more than the 11th pick and I also think it's pretty unlikely he would get traded for Byram, who I would say is also probably at least slightly less valuable than him.
Or the peak value is the Tanner Jeannot trade.I think you're overvaluing him quite a bit. We've seen what guys similar to his playstyle get in a return and the 11th itself would be quite a lot.
Peak value for a guy like that would be Lucic w/ retention getting the 13th pick + Martin Jones. Lucic at that point had a 30 goal & 60+ point seasons under his belt in a lower scoring era. Much better than Crouse.
I get that it doesn't make sense that Utah would trade him, but that return would be far more than you'd actually get for him if he was moved.
I don't think a future protected 1st & mid round picks would be peak value.Or the peak value is the Tanner Jeannot trade.
It was a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th AND a depth roster player (Cal Foote).I don't think a future protected 1st & mid round picks would be peak value.
Which is far less than the 13th pick + Martin JonesIt was a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th AND a depth roster player (Cal Foote).
Which is worth less than the 11th pick depending on where that 1st is.It was a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th AND a depth roster player (Cal Foote).
Why hasn't he been traded yet then? Teams have reportedly offered firsts for him before.I think you're overvaluing him quite a bit. We've seen what guys similar to his playstyle get in a return and the 11th itself would be quite a lot.
Peak value for a guy like that would be Lucic w/ retention getting the 13th pick + Martin Jones. Lucic at that point had a 30 goal & 60+ point seasons under his belt in a lower scoring era. Much better than Crouse.
I get that it doesn't make sense that Utah would trade him, but that return would be far more than you'd actually get for him if he was moved.
youd be wrongWhy hasn't he been traded yet then? Teams have reportedly offered firsts for him before.
It would have made a ton of sense to trade him 2 or 3 years ago at the start of the rebuild when we were tanking and he was still putting up good numbers. And yet he's still here, turning 27.
Lucic played with a much better cast than Crouse ever has, again Maccelli is the only support he's gotten with little to no PP time and Lucic played regularly with Bergeron, Krejci, Horton, Marchand etc who weren't as explosive offensively as they were later but were still far better players than Crouse has seen. Also when he was traded he had 1 year left on his deal and was a UFA afterwards. Which is completely different than Crouse who still has 3 years left at a cap hit that's almost 2m less than what Lucic was making at the time.
Also, Lucic is more productive, but he isn't a better player than Crouse. Crouse is a lot better defensively and makes a lot less boneheaded decisions than Lucic did.
It's a different league now than it was 9 years ago anyways and that only adds to Crouse's value as there's a lot less guys like him around the league. Jeannot is a far worse player and got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and Foote. Crouse should be worth far more than that.
Cap and term matter in this league, and Crouse has team friendly deals on both, I have no doubt that he would command more than everyone who just dismisses him as a 20g scorer bottom six forward.
In terms of value I definitely think 11 + Byram would be close but 11 + Krebs certainly isn't and Byram for Crouse doesn't fit Utah's needs as you mentioned. 11 + Krebs also doesn't fit their needs either for that matter. Any deal with a draft pick being the center piece doesn't fit Utah's needs.
Samuelsson with a possible plus for Crouse would be the most realistic deal but I still doubt it happens.
Thank you for your insightful response in this threadyoud be wrong