USA Women's National Team threatens to boycott World Championship
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William H Bonney
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Frankly, if they're getting $1 they're overpaid. No one wants to pay to watch this. They should be honored they get to play for their country and stop crying. Also, the article states the federation says they receive 85k for '18 (if they win Gold), and I assume housing is comped while they're training.
JackSlater
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These players are among the best female players in the world. No need to denigrate them if you aren't going to even be informed about the subject. Some people do in fact watch and enjoy seeing the women play, and the eighty five thousand dollars and free housing you describe are not their pay simply for representing the United States.
From what I see, the women have a valid point on a number of issues (meals, transportation, accommodations and similar matters) but I don't understand the wage request. That is not something that exists on the men's side, and although the situations are very different, it is difficult to see how it is USA Hockey's responsibility to make up for the lack of interest in professional women's hockey. Since it is a negotiation though I suppose some of this demand could be an exaggeration.
It's also difficult to find out if USA Hockey has copied some of the programs Hockey Canada uses to assist the women who are prospective national team players. If not, copying that model seems like a very obvious first step in resolving this conflict.
William H Bonney
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Why don't you actually read about the issue? Your passion about the topic is only outdone by your ignorance.
ottawa
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13m Canadians would disagree with you, that was the figures for the last olympics game (Canada vs USA).
Also, you're missing a lot of information, your post is extremely ignorant. I suggest you look into the issue and then come back to make an informed argument against this.
Based on your OP, it also seems like your issue isn't with women's hockey, but more so with women in general.
fwiw, for American ratings, the Canada/USA GMG on NBC had competitive ratings (5.0M average) compared with the SCF.
@ OP...MODAnyway, news now is that the men's team will boycott their tournament as well. Good to see the solidarity.
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mouser
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The player agent that tweeted that out isn't known for being the most reliable objective source of information. I would wait till a real news media outlet or source reports something on the men's team.
Then again tons of eligible male players skip the WC's each year already.
This is the worst thread i have seen on here. It is filled with ignorance and sexism and I am very happy with the response posters have had. Sadly too many people think like the OP, but thankfully people are willing to express their disapproval of it. And even better, sexism is slowly but surely dying (literally).
Plural
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Yeah, its going to be a hard negotiation to include income that's based on professional hockey in mens side. That said, It's good that they're putting their foot down. Equal treatment in all aspects is necessary and I hope the mens team shows they support this.
I wouldn't be so sure. Check out r/hockey. There are tons of highly upvoted comments about how women's hockey is terrible and that nobody cares. Small sample size of hockey fans (and especially the world at large) in this thread, unfortunately. And the young (aka a typical redditor) are probably just as guilty as the old.
why do people say womens hockey is bad and that they stink because they can't beat high school boys? if that is true there are biological reasons why a woman is not able to compete with a guy rather than a lack of skill, do you go to your kids Bantam games and start screaming that they all stink and they can get beat by an AHL team?
Plural
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Well, womens hockey is not that high quality hockey when compared to mens hockey. I dont see how that's even debatable. That said, I don't think it should be compared to mens hockey.
The professional hockey money is kind of murking the waters here and I don't think professional money needs to be evened out. I would love to see the NHL participating in developing womens hockey with substantial economic weight. But I'm not going to hold it against them if they choose not to.
Ultimately, as long as you won't demand for anything you won't get anything. These women need to be vocal and even outrageous in their claims. No-one is going to throw them even a bone unless they demand it.
The professional hockey money is kind of murking the waters here and I don't think professional money needs to be evened out. I would love to see the NHL participating in developing womens hockey with substantial economic weight. But I'm not going to hold it against them if they choose not to.
Ultimately, as long as you won't demand for anything you won't get anything. These women need to be vocal and even outrageous in their claims. No-one is going to throw them even a bone unless they demand it.
Anyways, when you are at the top of your category you have all the leverage and developing women sport is one of the necessary steps to get out of the incredibly widespread sexist mindframe across the globe.
it is time to stop considering sport something like "yes, let's give those women something to do every now and then so they fill those voids between the time spent serving their husbands and taking care of the children. If they even manage to get firm ass in the process, even better".
Female sport deserves dignity, or at least a cut to the hypocrisy and open admission of discrimination.
it is time to stop considering sport something like "yes, let's give those women something to do every now and then so they fill those voids between the time spent serving their husbands and taking care of the children. If they even manage to get firm ass in the process, even better".
Female sport deserves dignity, or at least a cut to the hypocrisy and open admission of discrimination.
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All of this info is in the Business section but here are some facts of the case that haven't been presented yet.
- The US has no ministry of sport, unlike European countries or Canada, no federal money is involved.
- The men are not paid or compensated at all for their services.
- The women are requesting (by their figures, the reliable ones here) 68,000 annually in base pay among other benefits.
- The NTDP program for the boys is paid for and funded in full by NHL money.
- Women are subjugated to coach seating, while men fly in business class for international assignments.
- USAH spending on International teams is around 6 million a year, with 1 million going to the women. Other National Teams include the MNT, MNT U20, MNT U18, MNT U17, other BNTs, WNT U22, WNT U18, Sled NT, Sled DNT, the WNT does appear to receive the most funding via landslide.
- The NWHL announced 50% salary cuts just a few months ago this past season from an initial range of 10-22k per player. Fortunately, Dunkin Donuts stepped in with a contribution to reduce the cuts to 38%.
JackSlater
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Anyway, news now is that the men's team will boycott their tournament as well. Good to see the solidarity.
Would not be surprising if true. Most American men have been boycotting that tournament for decades.
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I mean you can be critical of the product on the ice, I am too, but to compare it only against what the men do is just riduculous. 15 year old boys are faster than the fastest women in the world at the 100m dash too. Doesn't mean there's no interest and that she's a bad athlete.
Women's team sports that are developed have good entertainment value, like volleyball, handball, basketball. Without being anywhere close to what the men do. Women's hockey still has a long way to go to reach that type of professional status, but it has nothing to do with how far behind the men they are.
Women's team sports that are developed have good entertainment value, like volleyball, handball, basketball. Without being anywhere close to what the men do. Women's hockey still has a long way to go to reach that type of professional status, but it has nothing to do with how far behind the men they are.
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