ConnorMcMullet
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Value of: Tyson Barrie/Ryan Ellis to Edmonton
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I think Colorado waits a bit before trading Barrie. Although his value has never been higher because he just had a huge year for them. They still don’t really know exactly what they have with those young guys. Not wise to get rid of a known asset until you know for sure one of those guys can step up.
Both these players have huge value. I would assume a package of pool party + your 1st would get it started not sure what else would have to be added
Both these players have huge value. I would assume a package of pool party + your 1st would get it started not sure what else would have to be added
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Probably will have to revolve around 19 1st rounder + top prospect. Always going to be a pit of an overpayment if you trade to escape a bad situation.
I’ve been a fan of Barrie to Edmonton for awhile since I want to flip whatever the avs could get + other futures for a true #1D, as I still don’t think the avs have that guy in the system (Makar and Timmins could get there but both are far from guaranteed).
Looking at Barrie’s production, it would cost a lot, he just had an offensive season better than any oilers dman since Coffey, which was 30 years ago. He would’ve easily broken 60 points if healthy and had the highest ppg of any dman not named Karlsson. He fills their biggest need as a puckmoving RHD, he was one of the most productive power play dmen in the league this year (the oilers pp was terrible), he’s a western Canadian guy, and the oilers have been in on him for years if you believe the rumours. He’s also signed to a great deal for two more seasons after this one.
All that being said he does have his warts defensively, but the guys a point producing machine and that holds a lot of value, he’s basically hit 50 points three times (1 season of 49 in 78 games) and has been as consistent offensively the last 5 years as anybody. He would’ve been the oilers third highest scorer this year in both actual production and ppg.
For me it starts with the 9th overall, with another big piece being added (2019 1st, Yamamoto). Looking at the Stepan trade (7th + former 1st rounder in DeAngelo), and the Hamonic trade (1st + two 2nds) of last year give a good indication of Barrie’s value (he should have more value than both). A Deal around Klefbom+ Could also work. Like I said for me I want to flip the oilers assets (plus Colorado assets) for a better dman, so the actual assets themselves don’t matter as much to me, they would matter more to The Ottawa (Karlsson), LA (Doughty), or Arizona (OEL) markets that I would be trying to flip the assets to. Who knows if those dmen are even available, but’s that’s what I’d try to do if I was Sakic.
Looking at Barrie’s production, it would cost a lot, he just had an offensive season better than any oilers dman since Coffey, which was 30 years ago. He would’ve easily broken 60 points if healthy and had the highest ppg of any dman not named Karlsson. He fills their biggest need as a puckmoving RHD, he was one of the most productive power play dmen in the league this year (the oilers pp was terrible), he’s a western Canadian guy, and the oilers have been in on him for years if you believe the rumours. He’s also signed to a great deal for two more seasons after this one.
All that being said he does have his warts defensively, but the guys a point producing machine and that holds a lot of value, he’s basically hit 50 points three times (1 season of 49 in 78 games) and has been as consistent offensively the last 5 years as anybody. He would’ve been the oilers third highest scorer this year in both actual production and ppg.
For me it starts with the 9th overall, with another big piece being added (2019 1st, Yamamoto). Looking at the Stepan trade (7th + former 1st rounder in DeAngelo), and the Hamonic trade (1st + two 2nds) of last year give a good indication of Barrie’s value (he should have more value than both). A Deal around Klefbom+ Could also work. Like I said for me I want to flip the oilers assets (plus Colorado assets) for a better dman, so the actual assets themselves don’t matter as much to me, they would matter more to The Ottawa (Karlsson), LA (Doughty), or Arizona (OEL) markets that I would be trying to flip the assets to. Who knows if those dmen are even available, but’s that’s what I’d try to do if I was Sakic.
Tyson is not for sale. Avs are looking to move up, not to go back.
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I think the Oilers should acquire the second highest scoring defenseman in the league for draft picks and B prospects, certainly won’t cost anything off the main roster.
If we’d been bad this year, I could see Barrie getting traded. But with the season we had and Makar headed back to Umass next year, I don’t expect Barrie to be on the block this offseason. It’s going to take more that draft picks and b prospects to get him right now.
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oilers fans think barrie + ? ( maybe compher?) for drai
Or Barrie + jost for drai + klef
would not consider trading Barrie for anything else on that roster
Or Barrie + jost for drai + klef
would not consider trading Barrie for anything else on that roster
Well, Draisaitl wouldn't be available for Barrie. We are talking Karlsson territory. That is how valued Draisaitl is to the fans, the team, and management.
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Barrie won't be traded this off season. Makar isn't ready for the NHL, guys from minor junior leagues typically need some extra time in college and then AHL.
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Fair enough, but Barrie won’t be traded for scraps either he is huge part of our team and more importantly this new culture Sakic is trying to introduce
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This is probably not the best offseason to try to get Barrie, dude just had one of the best seasons of his career and filled in admirably as the Avs #1 D when EJ went down twice. Barrie's value is sky high right now.
That said, the Avs will have to do something about the Seattle expansion. EJ, Barrie, Z and Girard will all need to be protected. Sakic could go 4/4 but I think there's more than 4 forwards he's want to protect.
Even if he was available I doubt Sakic is eyeing futures anymore after the ROR and Duchene trades. Trading Barrie leaves a hole in the roster, you don't do that unless you're filling another hole in your roster (i.e. top 6 forward). I think there are a handful of teams that could beat your package by offering an established roster player +.
That said, the Avs will have to do something about the Seattle expansion. EJ, Barrie, Z and Girard will all need to be protected. Sakic could go 4/4 but I think there's more than 4 forwards he's want to protect.
Even if he was available I doubt Sakic is eyeing futures anymore after the ROR and Duchene trades. Trading Barrie leaves a hole in the roster, you don't do that unless you're filling another hole in your roster (i.e. top 6 forward). I think there are a handful of teams that could beat your package by offering an established roster player +.
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This is all that needs to be said. Additionally take into account where the Avs are currently at....nope.
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I think Barrie is exactly what the Oilers need. I don’t think he’ll be traded until next summer, if he’s traded at all. I hope we can keep him around longer, but I think he’ll price himself out of Colorado.
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The only way I'd trade Barrie is in a 1 for 1 hockey trade, or doing Barrie+ for an upgrade. Colorado doesn't need to anymore quality for quantity trades.
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Avs asking price for Barrie will be too great.. rightfully so after the season he just had.
Those mentioning Draisaitl are dreaming though.
Not sure why, but there seems to be one or two Oiler posters running around these boards making trade offers for all of these players who just had career years then offering players on the Oilers who's trade value would be low right now (well at least here on HF anyways) like, Klefbom, Puljujarvi and then dangling Yamamoto, Bear and our 9OA in as well.
If the Oilers plan on keeping Drai and McD then Oilers can ill afford to give up very many, if any, cost controlled assets. Also, the Oilers would be foolish to make any significant trade after the year they just had.... staying with the current roster, they shouldn't be as bad as they were last year. I don't think they will be as good as they were a couple years ago either. A few coaching changes... like all of them... and a few minor tweaks and they should be a bubble team. If their special teams were even average this year and they had an average number of PP-for, they would have been close to the playoffs. Yeah, a lot of "ifs" but not unrealistic ones. I mean... our coaching staff thought keeping Mark Letestu n the #1PP unit for 75% of the year was a good idea.
Those mentioning Draisaitl are dreaming though.
Not sure why, but there seems to be one or two Oiler posters running around these boards making trade offers for all of these players who just had career years then offering players on the Oilers who's trade value would be low right now (well at least here on HF anyways) like, Klefbom, Puljujarvi and then dangling Yamamoto, Bear and our 9OA in as well.
If the Oilers plan on keeping Drai and McD then Oilers can ill afford to give up very many, if any, cost controlled assets. Also, the Oilers would be foolish to make any significant trade after the year they just had.... staying with the current roster, they shouldn't be as bad as they were last year. I don't think they will be as good as they were a couple years ago either. A few coaching changes... like all of them... and a few minor tweaks and they should be a bubble team. If their special teams were even average this year and they had an average number of PP-for, they would have been close to the playoffs. Yeah, a lot of "ifs" but not unrealistic ones. I mean... our coaching staff thought keeping Mark Letestu n the #1PP unit for 75% of the year was a good idea.
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Preds are looking to compete now. Nothing in the OP helps them do that at the significant cost of Ellis.
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It would be a steep price for both but I don't think either NSH or COL has any interest in moving those players unless you absolutely blow the doors off
? There were already a number of Preds fans who said before that 9th OV for Ellis made a lot of sense for them given he is a free agent next summer and they still have 8,000 good defensive prospects to fill the void.
Ellis is a ufa next year so I can’t see them letting him go for nothing.
The big thing is how much will Ellis’ next contract will be as EDM can’t afford over 6 mil.
The big thing is how much will Ellis’ next contract will be as EDM can’t afford over 6 mil.
Bringer of Jollity
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That would be surprising. None of the Preds D prospects are ready to make the jump and Ellis, though a UFA after next season and deserving of a raise, should still be easy to fit under the cap.
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I think something around Barrie and Pool Party could be interesting, with that being said like a couple guys said already we would be more likely to move him next offseason than this one
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Avs44
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That would be a horrible trade for the Avs. Puljujarvi has massive question marks surrounding him.
