Value of: Tyler Bertuzzi to Pittsburgh

[Reddwit]

Out of purely academic interest - I hear the "No thanks" loud and clear - at what point would the overpay make you guys sit up and start thinking about trading him?

I mean, Addison (who I’m personally a big fan of) and a late 1st is a big overpayment in a vacuum...but I still wouldn’t do it from Detroit’s end. As much as we could use great prospects and picks, we need guaranteed young talent at this point.

The thing about Bertuzzi is that he’s such a dedicated player. He’s got top notch character that’s been recognized by coaches and managers at every level. And that’s the type of team Detroit is trying to build with Larkin taking the lead. But the crazy thing is, he keeps on showing off more and more skill. At first he looked like a solid energy 3rd liner. Then he started showing off his nose for the net. Now recently, he’s been making slick plays like he’s some sort of playmaker. Enough really heady, high IQ plays that suggest he’s got even more untapped skill.

Realistically, he only gets traded in a package for a much better player.

 

[SuperScript29]

Out of purely academic interest - I hear the "No thanks" loud and clear - at what point would the overpay make you guys sit up and start thinking about trading him?

It would have to be a legit roster player that would bring a similar impact to the team. Bertuzzi is a young gritty player with offensive skills (On pace to score 43 points this year). He has legit potential to be a top-6 player (40-50 points), but he's also improving, so who knows. I'd be worried to give him up only for him to turn into some kind of Marchand down the road.

 

[Peat]

Thanks for the input guys. I wouldn't want to trade a guy like that either.

 

[Riptide]

Wouldn't a high end prospect on defense interest you? Like Calen Addison for example?

Extremely unlikely that Addison would get moved for a winger. Not that many of our wing prospects are like Bertuzzi, but I think that Rutherford would look at the group and decide that there's enough there vs what our blueline prospects look like.

 

[Riptide]

Because they're not contending. Building a good defense should be one of their priorities.

But the only way they'll become contenders is by building a good team - which means having quality players.

Except that Addison doesn't really help them there. He's at least 3-5 years away from being an impact player - and if you base that on the averages, odds are it's closer to 4/5 years (or more) then 3. And that's assuming that he actually pans out and becomes an impact player (top 4 PMD or better) vs busting or only topping out as some sort of depth guy (5-7 OFD, PP specialist, etc).

This might make sense if Bertuzzi was a 26/27 year old player who was on the verge of being a UFA and either too expensive or at risk of leaving or something... but he's 24 years old and still developing.

On a side note, people on HF seem to think that teams are either in a "full rebuilding" stage or a "full contending" stage, while failing to recognize that there's varying degree's between the two. And most of those stages inbetween require that teams keep the talent they have while waiting on other young talent to develop to the point that they can replace or augment said talent that HF posters are trying to trade for. Players like Bertuzzi are one of these guys. Even if they're not contending now, he will be (for now anyway) part of the solution to that.

 

[LarKing]

No thanks. I love Bertuzzi and we want to contend in 2-3 years, not 5 or 6.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Detroit loves Bertuzzi. They are much more likely to move AA. I don’t think most people realize how smart a player Bertuzzi is. He has played most of the season with Glendening, De La Rose, Ehn, and Megan cycling as his centers. He has the hockey IQ and drive to be a good producer in a team’s top 6. I expect him to become a 50-60 point player. He has also been a big game player, doing phenomenally in his playoff stints in Grand Rapids.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Out of purely academic interest - I hear the "No thanks" loud and clear - at what point would the overpay make you guys sit up and start thinking about trading him?

It'd be a no from every Red Wings fan, but I would trade Reinhart for him. And I love Reinhart

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

But the only way they'll become contenders is by building a good team - which means having quality players.

That is true, but I just thought they were deep enough on offense that it wouldn't bother them too much to move a forward and potentially improve their d corp.

Of course Bertuzzi could help them become a contenter, he's a good player after all. But I get the feeling Wings fans are overly attached to him (not in a bad way) due to his character, a bit like Habs fans with Gallagher. I guess I would too if he was on my team. But still, sometimes trading that type of player can do more good than bad depending on the return.

 

[lucaseider]

I love tyler, been a big fan of his since we drafted him and he just keeps getting better and better. I really think with more ice time he has potential to be a 50+ point player and a weasel. People usually hate a weasel unless he is on your team, one who has the ability to produce is a very valuable thing and It would take something where people ask me "you high?" before I would consider trading him. To me, he is, outside of larkin, our most untouchable.

 

[3074326]

Bertuzzi would literally cost an arm and a leg. It wouldn’t make sense to move him since he is young enough for our rebuild and gives our a team an edge.

Well if that's the literal cost, I'm curious whose arm and leg it would be. Or would they be from two different people? Do they have to be hockey players?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What would be the cost here? I'd like to add him to our top 9. We could definitely use another LWer, especially with ZAR praying top 6 minutes from time to time.

I'd be willing to give up high draft picks and prospects.

Tyler Bertuzzi isn't getting moved any time soon, He's a player that we're building around. We need more like him.

 

[Tatar Shots]

That is true, but I just thought they were deep enough on offense that it wouldn't bother them too much to move a forward and potentially improve their d corp.

Of course Bertuzzi could help them become a contenter, he's a good player after all. But I get the feeling Wings fans are overly attached to him (not in a bad way) due to his character, a bit like Habs fans with Gallagher. I guess I would too if he was on my team. But still, sometimes trading that type of player can do more good than bad depending on the return.

Bertuzzi might be the best winger on the team going forward. He has produced at a better rate than Mantha at even strength over the past year and a half. With less opportunity as well. The return would have to be significant. He would certainly not be traded for futures

 

[Saints11]

Bertuzzi is good, and too young for the Wings to move him. Honestly, if I’m talking to the Wings, I’d focus on Nyquist. He’s a UFA and not likely part of The Wing’s future plans.

 

[lucaseider]

Bertuzzi is good, and too young for the Wings to move him. Honestly, if I’m talking to the Wings, I’d focus on Nyquist. He’s a UFA and not likely part of The Wing’s future plans.

Ya, Gus is a much better target, much as I like him. I really think he would shine playing with better players, very good skater, good defensively, underrated playmaker to go with his scoring.

 

[Goalie guy]

Bertuzzi is good, and too young for the Wings to move him. Honestly, if I’m talking to the Wings, I’d focus on Nyquist. He’s a UFA and not likely part of The Wing’s future plans.

This right here, and put Gus in that core and watch out he could be nasty.

 

[BStinson]

Well if that's the literal cost, I'm curious whose arm and leg it would be. Or would they be from two different people? Do they have to be hockey players?

Same person with the caveat they have all fingers and toes. If you want two different people we want a kidney added from your choice of person. Dang this post went full black market haha!

 

[BinCookin]

As Red Wings fans, you have to realize, all we really have right now is prospects and young players, and a few of those young players are improving. Bertuzzi is the biggest surprise for us.

Tyler Bertuzzi was drafted in the 2nd round (far ahead of predicted, and some (all) of our fans questioned the choice).
Bertuzzi looked like he might one day make the team as a 3rd line pest/grinder/energy type.
But he has shown a huge amount of heart, he is showing offensive talent and drive, he especially is showing some high hockey IQ. He could be a very good player in a few years. Or he might max out as a 2nd/3rd line tweener. We would like to hold him and gamble on a homerun (Marchand-like payoff.. obviously we would be happy with a mere fraction of Marchand's current production).

Its clear most of our fans would be quite upset to move Bertuzzi.

But just for sake of Discussion.. What would it take?
I would say a D man age 21-24, one that is more NHL certainty than high end "potential only".

This leaves the only Name of Olli Maatta who qualifies with my description. And I really do not know much about him. (not enough to know Maatta's value in a trade. But He would need to have the solid potential to be a #2/3 D man for me to even consider it.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Bertuzzi is our future Marchand without the d**chery & face-licking, dirty/filthy plays & whining.

 

[Dirk316]

Classic thinking of only helping your own team type of offer

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Classic thinking of only helping your own team type of offer

Is it though?

 

[Claypool]

Is it though?

You're proposing Detroit trade one of their young, proven NHL players for a B prospect. Detroit has plenty of those on the back end already (Lindstrom, Hronek, Hicketts, McIsaac, etc.). Not only did the Red Wings spend a high pick on Bertuzzi, they also spent years and money developing him into the player he is today.

Pittsburgh just doesn't have the assets to get a deal done. Bertuzzi is better than any prospect currently in the Pens' system. Other than Jake Guentzel (who obviously isn't going anywhere) I don't really want any other Pens players, especially in a deal for Bertuzzi.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Bertuzzi is our future Marchand without the d**chery & face-licking, dirty/filthy plays & whining.

Oh yeah, you forgot without the scoring as well!

 

[Michoulicious]

Tyler Bertuzzi is a good role player; good motor, grit, good hands, able to complement talented players. He is basically like Andrew Shaw was as a 23 y old, without the playoff resume. Shaw was traded for 2 2nd round picks as a 24 y old RFA, value should be around that.

Don't see the Marchand comparison here. Marchand development is way more an outlier than the norm.

 

[Deuce Awesome]

As you get older, your concept of how much time has elapsed starts to lose meaning.

I was watching the Wings the other night for the first time in years, and I was like "wow Todd Bertuzzi is still playing thats cool"