Value of: Ty Smith

[McDuffz88]

The Devils I feel should move on from Smith. We got too many puck moving defensemen & when Luke Hughes joins the team Smith will be redundant. He is having an off year but could be good for a team who can best utilize him. Any other teams have a player in a similar situation? Perhaps a struggling RD or a struggling forward with high upside? One of those trades where it gives 2 players a change of scenery.

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[Go Wings]

Detroit will give you Zadina for him, he needs a fresh start as well.

 

[EK392000]

Detroit will give you Zadina for him, he needs a fresh start as well.

This sounds like a good fit to me

 

[doomscroll]

The Devils I feel should move on from Smith. We got too many puck moving defensemen & when Luke Hughes joins the team Smith will be redundant. He is having an off year but could be good for a team who can best utilize him. Any other teams have a player in a similar situation? Perhaps a struggling RD or a struggling forward with high upside? One of those trades where it gives 2 players a change of scenery.

Moving a talented young player having an off year in lieu of a different highly-touted prospect’s arrival is a good way to perpetually maintain a rebuild. There’s no telling that Luke Hughes will make a name for himself in the NHL, and selling on Smith when his value is the lowest it’s ever been doesn’t make much sense. Hughes just finished his freshman year on the deepest team in the NCAA, and it’s not a given that he’s going to join the Devils next season in any capacity. Replacing Smith with someone like Zadina doesn’t do much of anything to bolster their bottom-six, Goaltending, or overall team defense.

 

[Puckclektr]

He just turned 22 a couple weeks ago. He has yet to play one full season in the NHL. No reason to trade him.

 

[Eggtimer]

Moving a talented young player having an off year in lieu of a different highly-touted prospect’s arrival is a good way to perpetually maintain a rebuild. There’s no telling that Luke Hughes will make a name for himself in the NHL, and selling on Smith when his value is the lowest it’s ever been doesn’t make much sense. Hughes just finished his freshman year on the deepest team in the NCAA, and it’s not a given that he’s going to join the Devils next season in any capacity. Replacing Smith with someone like Zadina doesn’t do much of anything to bolster their bottom-six, Goaltending, or overall team defense.

I agree that maybe he shouldn’t be moved when his value is as low as it is now but he is essentially redundant and should be moved at one point . Luke not being as effective would take him shattering his femur (both) and not recovering . There is very little question Luke will not be a good NHL dman.
Smith is too small and not physical enough to have a place on the Devils back end .

 

[HugeInTheShire]

No reason to trade Smith while his value is at an all time low plus we don’t know what will happen with Siegenthaler and Graves and Hughes is still a year away

 

[Tahoeblue]

Josh Bailey- Vet presence for the up and coming Devils. Isles could take some salary back as well.

If I am Fitz, I would just keep him. Sophomore Slump

 

[McDuffz88]

Moving a talented young player having an off year in lieu of a different highly-touted prospect’s arrival is a good way to perpetually maintain a rebuild. There’s no telling that Luke Hughes will make a name for himself in the NHL, and selling on Smith when his value is the lowest it’s ever been doesn’t make much sense. Hughes just finished his freshman year on the deepest team in the NCAA, and it’s not a given that he’s going to join the Devils next season in any capacity. Replacing Smith with someone like Zadina doesn’t do much of anything to bolster their bottom-six, Goaltending, or overall team defense.

If Luke Hughes doesn't surpass Smith then we got much bigger problems to worry about. That would mean a mega bust. Ill let you in on a secret. Ty Smith is so awful defensively that I would rather almost anyone in his spot. Thats the reason I want him gone. We got too many offensive minded dmen on the team. Currently we got Hamilton, Severson, with Hughes & Shakir waiting to join. The Devils system is all about offence but when it comes to defense we are a black hole. Getting rid of Smith for us is addition by subtraction. Would it be nice to wait and see if he rebounds? Sure but I just don't see it happening, atleast not on our team. We can't afford to have dmen who cannot defend. I wanna compete for the playoffs next year. Ty Smiths play has been so bad this year he doesn't even warrent being on the team. The only reason he is on it is because he is getting special treatment not because his skills are good enough.

 

[Lays]

Dude is not good at all. The rest of the league hasn’t caught onto it yet

 

[Hallsy86]

The Avs will give you Kaut for him.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Devils probably wouldn't move him unless an overpayment in return, No need to move him just yet as he's waiver exempt next year. He likely enters camp 7th on the depth chart imo and possibly will start in the AHL if he has a bad camp.

 

[Eggtimer]

His skating just isn’t good enough . He had good edge work but foot speed is not hood at all. I thought his hockey IQ would compensate for crap foot speed but it’s not working for him right now . He looked “good” last year but for some reason he is making very bad reads . I think it’s because he has little to no time and space to make a decision because he is a step behind all the time. He has been bodied off the puck a lot and can’t get himself positioned well enough to make a play without getting blown up . That and he isn’t big or strong enough to protect the puck or skate it out of danger .
I think he will be Will Butcher v2.0 but slightly better .
Hopefully he can improve and get back to his level of play he was at during his rookie year but it looks doubtful right now .
Maybe it was him not having a training camp and being injured the first part of the season amd he couldn’t really get going?
Regardless , the style of game he plays and his lack of a strong defensive game , limited physicality , makes him redundant and there’s no spot for him moving forward .

In a perfect world , we trade him for a right handed D clone of Seigenthaler . Or a physical winger like a Marchment / Nuke type player

 

[Smitty426]

His skating just isn’t good enough . He had good edge work but foot speed is not hood at all. I thought his hockey IQ would compensate for crap foot speed but it’s not working for him right now . He looked “good” last year but for some reason he is making very bad reads . I think it’s because he has little to no time and space to make a decision because he is a step behind all the time. He has been bodied off the puck a lot and can’t get himself positioned well enough to make a play without getting blown up . That and he isn’t big or strong enough to protect the puck or skate it out of danger .
I think he will be Will Butcher v2.0 but slightly better .
Hopefully he can improve and get back to his level of play he was at during his rookie year but it looks doubtful right now .
Maybe it was him not having a training camp and being injured the first part of the season amd he couldn’t really get going?
Regardless , the style of game he plays and his lack of a strong defensive game , limited physicality , makes him redundant and there’s no spot for him moving forward .

In a perfect world , we trade him for a right handed D clone of Seigenthaler . Or a physical winger like a Marchment / Nuke type player

Funny i have pushed for Andrew Peeke trade, Nichushkin and Marchment (or Burakovsky) UFA signings

 

[Billdo]

I don't think we need to or should move him although

Detroit will give you Zadina for him, he needs a fresh start as well.

this is intriguing.

 

[doomscroll]

If Luke Hughes doesn't surpass Smith then we got much bigger problems to worry about. That would mean a mega bust. Ill let you in on a secret. Ty Smith is so awful defensively that I would rather almost anyone in his spot. Thats the reason I want him gone. We got too many offensive minded dmen on the team. Currently we got Hamilton, Severson, with Hughes & Shakir waiting to join. The Devils system is all about offence but when it comes to defense we are a black hole. Getting rid of Smith for us is addition by subtraction. Would it be nice to wait and see if he rebounds? Sure but I just don't see it happening, atleast not on our team. We can't afford to have dmen who cannot defend. I wanna compete for the playoffs next year. Ty Smiths play has been so bad this year he doesn't even warrent being on the team. The only reason he is on it is because he is getting special treatment not because his skills are good enough.

The Devils see have a ton of work to to in order to compete for a playoff spot, and most of their issues have nothing to do with their third defensive pairing. They need a starting goalie, two top-four defensemen, and basically a whole new bottom-six before they can start to compete. Exchanging Smith for a different reclamation project doesn’t move the needle in that regard, unless it’s part of of a larger deal that involves other significant pieces.

 

[Billdo]

two top-four defensemen

Goalie for sure but Graves-Hamilton, Siegenthaler-Severson is a very capable top 4.

 

[AfroThunder396]

It's not about Luke Hughes, it's about Ty Smith. Nearly every Devils defenseman is far worse when Smith is on the ice.

Dougie Hamilton w/o Smith: 53.29% xGF%
Dougie Hamilton w/ Smith: 44.30% xGF%

Damon Severson w/o Smith: 53.85% xGF%
Damon Severson w/ Smith: 41.45% xGF%

Ryan Graves w/o Smith: 52.31% xGF%
Ryan Graves w/ Smith: 40.88% xGF%

Jonas Siegenthaler w/o Smith: 52.88% xGF%
Jonas Siegenthaler w/ Smith: 47.90% xGF%

PK Subban w/o Smith: 51.77% xGF%
PK Subban w/ Sith: 52.92% xGF%

So only 1/5 regular Devils defensemen can tread water while Smith is on the ice with them. He is actively dragging down the performance of the entire Devils defense and single-handedly making them look far worse than they are.

Smith brings absolutely nothing to the table that other, far superior Devils defensemen don't also bring. He can't skate, he can't defend, he's not physical. He only brings value to the team when he's producing points, and if he's not doing that he's a liability.

If a team is desperate for a young PP QB under contract control for a long time then by all means, help yourself. But Smith is not good. The most valuable things about him are his age and his contract, not his actual play on the ice.

 

[McDuffz88]

The Devils see have a ton of work to to in order to compete for a playoff spot, and most of their issues have nothing to do with their third defensive pairing. They need a starting goalie, two top-four defensemen, and basically a whole new bottom-six before they can start to compete. Exchanging Smith for a different reclamation project doesn’t move the needle in that regard, unless it’s part of of a larger deal that involves other significant pieces.

Well on that your flat out wrong. The Devils do not need 2 top 4 defenceman. We got Graves, Siegs, Hamilton & Severson which is a fine top 4.

 

[Eggtimer]

Funny i have pushed for Andrew Peeke trade, Nichushkin and Marchment (or Burakovsky) UFA signings

Oh god I’d love to add Peeke . Peeke plus one or more of Nuke Marchment Neiderrieder Trochek woild be damn sexy …. I know I’m biased but add that and a goalie …. Hello playoffs

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

I wouldn't mind trading him as part of a package for a goalie, but only if he gets appropriate value. He's still young with lots of potential.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Comparing Smith to the Devils D core: Still young and improving but I feel fans are looking at this points only and not looking at the entire context.

A few things that stand out to me that others will completely ignore (The negative parts)
* Worse +/- on the team by a fair margin.
* 17 min a game which ranks 6th on the team
* Worse Hits/60 on the team by a wide margin
* 6th in blocks/60
* 51.4% Corsi with 65% of Offensive zone starts.

Smith to me needs to produce offensively cause the rest of his game is nothing to brag about as a undersized D man in the NHL. Sorry if you disagree but I think the Devils are overrating him. I think it's early yet but he has to put up 40+ pts for me to consider him a player of value and ignore his defensive flaws.

 

[Eggtimer]

Comparing Smith to the Devils D core: Still young and improving but I feel fans are looking at this points only and not looking at the entire context.

A few things that stand out to me that others will completely ignore (The negative parts)
* Worse +/- on the team by a fair margin.
* 17 min a game which ranks 6th on the team
* Worse Hits/60 on the team by a wide margin
* 6th in blocks/60
* 51.4% Corsi with 65% of Offensive zone starts.

Smith to me needs to produce offensively cause the rest of his game is nothing to brag about as a undersized D man in the NHL. Sorry if you disagree but I think the Devils are overrating him. I think it's early yet but he has to put up 40+ pts for me to consider him a player of value and ignore his defensive flaws.

He’s young still and was a lot better last year which leads me to believe that his current play this year is not a true 100% slam dunk indication of what he will be in the future. His pedigree and play previously leads me to believe he can improve on this year. Not sure how much of an improvement but I wouldn’t write him off yet and say that this is what he will be for good. It’s too early yet to come to concrete conclusions this early into his career . That’s why I think he has some decent value yet.

 

[My3Sons]

Comparing Smith to the Devils D core: Still young and improving but I feel fans are looking at this points only and not looking at the entire context.

A few things that stand out to me that others will completely ignore (The negative parts)
* Worse +/- on the team by a fair margin.
* 17 min a game which ranks 6th on the team
* Worse Hits/60 on the team by a wide margin
* 6th in blocks/60
* 51.4% Corsi with 65% of Offensive zone starts.

Smith to me needs to produce offensively cause the rest of his game is nothing to brag about as a undersized D man in the NHL. Sorry if you disagree but I think the Devils are overrating him. I think it's early yet but he has to put up 40+ pts for me to consider him a player of value and ignore his defensive flaws.

I don't think many NJ fans disagree with you. I will offer that as a rookie he was trending in the direction of being a 40+ point defender who could run an NHL power play. He showed excellent passing touch, a deceptive shot, and really good hand eye coordination on things like keep ins at the point. This season he showed up injured and has only slowly gotten back on track as the year has gone along. He's young and seemingly a sharp kid and probably realizes what he has to work on to carve out an NHL role. He probably has one more season to find his place before Luke Hughes arrives and he is made redundant. Just my opinion.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think many NJ fans disagree with you. I will offer that as a rookie he was trending in the direction of being a 40+ point defender who could run an NHL power play. He showed excellent passing touch, a deceptive shot, and really good hand eye coordination on things like keep ins at the point. This season he showed up injured and has only slowly gotten back on track as the year has gone along. He's young and seemingly a sharp kid and probably realizes what he has to work on to carve out an NHL role. He probably has one more season to find his place before Luke Hughes arrives and he is made redundant. Just my opinion.

I still think he has potential but he is one of those undersized guys on D that needs to put up points or he is useless. Reminds me of Mete with the Habs but he's actually producing more but not enough yet. Still time but those undersized guys on D who have skating/skill, need to be taken with a grain of salt.