Player Discussion Tuukka Rask - V - warning in OP

[Gee Wally]

we will continue from here http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tuukka-rask-part-iv.2221031/page-35#post-140749073

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[Rubber Biscuit]

This is exactly it. No need for me to respond to all the stat lovers.

@fin8 You should back up your opinion with some facts instead of dismissing the rest of us

 

[pineapplestastegood]

Multiple things can be true at once:

Rask can be a great goalie.

Rask can be not worth his contract.

Save percentage can be an important statistic overall, but not be an indicator of timely, clutch play.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Multiple things can be true at once:

Rask can be a great goalie.

Rask can be not worth his contract.

Save percentage can be an important statistic overall, but not be an indicator of timely, clutch play.

You are obviously a disliker of Rask and the only thing you have left to grasp to is your lamens opinion of his contract.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

You are obviously a disliker of Rask and the only thing you have left to grasp to is your lamens opinion of his contract.

And make false accusations that he's "not clutch" without backing it up.

 

[fin8]

I'm just going from what I've seen over the years. Optics have shown me when the pressure is on he shits his pants.

@fin8 You should back up your opinion with some facts instead of dismissing the rest of us

I hope im wrong, and all you Rask lovers are right. Stats don't win championships. Optics have shown me, that when the pressure is on, or the team isn't playing well in front of him, he craps his pants. You can hate me for my opinion on him, but that's how I feel.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Stats...Shmats.

The only real way to judge a goalie is the eyeball test. Who needs those nasty old save percentages?

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Not even worth arguing if all you can do is base it on your gut feeling and no actual evidence.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Stats...Shmats.

The only real way to judge a goalie is the eyeball test. Who needs those nasty old save percentages?

Stats are only useful when they help the argument. When they don't it's all about that eyeball test!

 

[DKH]

Multiple things can be true at once:

Rask can be a great goalie.

Rask can be not worth his contract.

Save percentage can be an important statistic overall, but not be an indicator of timely, clutch play.

I think you are on to something

My idea is employ former goalies to assess saves and assign values of difficulty

I bet we realize Rask wilts under pressure

'two T's, two U's, too many easy saves'

 

[Gee Wally]

I'm just going from what I've seen over the years. Optics have shown me when the pressure is on he ****s his pants.

I hope im wrong, and all you Rask lovers are right. Stats don't win championships. Optics have shown me, that when the pressure is on, or the team isn't playing well in front of him, he craps his pants. You can hate me for my opinion on him, but that's how I feel.

Based on your own criteria , as loose as it is, name us who you see as better than him in the league and where he places .
Using your ‘rule’ as documented above.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Think of your state of mind, your life with everything that is going on and your one goal is to go out of your way to complain about the goalie for one of the best teams in the league.

Says more about you than the goalie.

 

[Gee Wally]

Multiple things can be true at once:

Rask can be a great goalie.

Rask can be not worth his contract.

Save percentage can be an important statistic overall, but not be an indicator of timely, clutch play.

Thats it.
Thats the best you got after all of this?

‘If I dont die today I could die tomorrow. But surely I will die some day’

Thanks for contributing.

 

[DKH]

Stats...Shmats.

The only real way to judge a goalie is the eyeball test. Who needs those nasty old save percentages?

Save percentage really doesn't tell us anything other than the goalie stopped the puck

Where was the shot from

Who shot it

Was there a screen

What was the score

We need a formula to factor this in

 

[Agent86]

Save percentage really doesn't tell us anything other than the goalie stopped the puck

Where was the shot from

Who shot it

Was there a screen

What was the score

We need a formula to factor this in

Way too complicated, just eyeball it. He's a bum.

 

[DKH]

Way too complicated, just eyeball it. He's a bum.

I need verification with an advanced stat

I was at the Devils game sitting right and I mean right behind Rask and I watched him make great save after great save in that first period and for a split second I thought he was not a bum but then he let 2 goals in the second

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

I need verification with an advanced stat

I was at the Devils game sitting right and I mean right behind Rask and I watched him make great save after great save in that first period and for a split second I thought he was not a bum but then he let 2 goals in the second

Since he played well that isn't a big game. When he makes a mistake it automatically becomes a Big Game

 

[Agent86]

I need verification with an advanced stat

I was at the Devils game sitting right and I mean right behind Rask and I watched him make great save after great save in that first period and for a split second I thought he was not a bum but then he let 2 goals in the second

All funnin' aside, we have been blessed for 12 seasons (Timmy and Tuukka) with above average netminding. Don't need glasses to see that.

 

[Gee Wally]

All funnin' aside, we have been blessed for 12 seasons (Timmy and Tuukka) with above average netminding. Don't need glasses to see that.

No kidding. Look at the prior 10 years for the hot mess the position was.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/tuukka-rask-part-iv.2221031/page-35#post-140749073

 

[DKH]

All funnin' aside, we have been blessed for 12 seasons (Timmy and Tuukka) with above average netminding. Don't need glasses to see that.

In that time each has won a Vezina as the top goalie - not sure if any other team can equal that

 

[pineapplestastegood]

You are obviously a disliker of Rask and the only thing you have left to grasp to is your lamens opinion of his contract.

Well considering that the contract is the entire crux of my argument...

And make false accusations that he's "not clutch" without backing it up.

Since he played well that isn't a big game. When he makes a mistake it automatically becomes a Big Game

Wrong. He has played well in plenty of big games, and there are many big games they've lost where he hasn't been at fault at all.

 

[pineapplestastegood]

And make false accusations that he's "not clutch" without backing it up.

as well.

I won't even count the regular season meltdowns down the stretch in recent seasons because those were lost seasons in my mind anyway and they were over before they even started, so I don't care that he was really bad at times there.

He's won them a lot of big games as well, there have been a lot of games they've lost in the playoffs where you can't fault Rask at all.

Doesn't mean he's worth his contract. No goalie in the modern NHL is worth 7 million, not a single one.

 

[Chief Nine]

Well considering that the contract is the entire crux of my argument...

No, it wasn’t...

You changed the “crux of your argument” when every other “point” you made was utterly destroyed. Then you kept moving the goalposts until all you had was... this.

The “crux of your argument” all along was that you think Rask sucks which, in and of itself, has been disproved time and again on this thread.

 

[Gee Wally]

Well considering that the contract is the entire crux of my argument...









Wrong. He has played well in plenty of big games, and there are many big games they've lost where he hasn't been at fault at all.

The ENTIRE crux is a falsehood. Period.
As a matter of fact I agree that he is over paid. Then again as a matter of principle I feel every player of every sport is over paid. For what they make they should cure cancer.

You on the other hand serpentine your way into contrarian incitement for some reason I have yet to understand.
But it will not play long.

So your ENTIRE crux is what I expect you to stick to if you want to contribute in here.

 

[22Brad Park]

Rask is a beast and if you asked every player in that room they would say that too more or less.Cannot see why so much complaining about him.lol