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LeBrun: TSN insider trading Keep an eye on Gourde as a fit for the Leafs if they don't land Schenn or Laughton.

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FerrisRox said:
I think the Leafs weaknesses are a lack of secondary scoring, a defenseman that could be utilized as a legit shooting threat on the power play and size and toughness in the forward ranks that would make them more difficult to play against and a team that can physically wear down their opponents.

Laughton isn't even a centre, so I can't even understand why the would even bother. He also's not a legit scoring threat that's going to move the needle and he doesn't bring size or strength.

Gourde is under-sized, weak and his days as depth scorer have passed particularly when you factor in that in moving to the Leafs, he'd be dropping down to a bottom six situation with very little support scorers around him. I don't see the point in bothering with Gourde at this point.

I like what Brayden Schenn brings to the Maple Leafs. I think he could add that depth scoring, I think he would be a huge boost to the leadership group in Toronto, he would definitely upgrade the physicality of the forward group and I like his two-way game. He is clearly the best of these three options (in fact, he's the only choice, in my opinion as the other two don't move the needle at all) but I'm not really excited about the idea of Schenn until 2028. I've only seen him play a handful of games this year - so this is certainly not a qualified take - but I find his speed is definitely a notch down from where it was a few years ago and that definitely was a big part of what made him special both offensively and defensively so I'd be wary of acquiring him for his age 34, 35 and 36 seasons.
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I agree to a point but if they win a championship It's all worth it.

It's time for the Leafs "Kawai trade" It's time to push your chips in the Middle.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I agree to a point but if they win a championship It's all worth it.

It's time for the Leafs "Kawai trade" It's time to push your chips in the Middle.
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It may very well be time of the Leafs "Khwai" trade, but Brayden Schenn is nothing like Khwai Leonard.

HockeyVirus said:
I don't think the Leafs weakness is physicality at all. They have a lot of pieces that play a heavy game all over the lineup. I'm honestly sick of hearing about that aspect of the game from fans. They need scoring, straight up. The other pieces are nice to haves.

They haven't been losing in the playoffs because of anything other than inability to score on the PP and 5v5 and shaky goaltending. One of those things is fixed. The other is as much of an issue as it has ever been.
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We can agree to disagree because I absolutely think the Leafs have lost in the post-season (multiple times) because they are way too easy to play against and too many important players clearly don't like the increased physicality of post-season hockey.

Big strong teams wear their opponents down over the course of a 7-game series and the Maple Leafs are repeatedly on the wrong side of that. They get pushed around, and they need to be the team that does the pushing, or, at the very least, they need to be capable of pushing back.
 
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FerrisRox said:
We can agree to disagree because I absolutely think the Leafs have lost in the post-season (multiple times) because they are way too easy to play against and too many important players clearly don't like the increased physicality of post-season hockey.

Big strong teams wear their opponents down over the course of a 7-game series and the Maple Leafs are repeatedly on the wrong side of that. They get pushed around, and they need to be the team that does the pushing, or, at the very least, they need to be capable of pushing back.
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Leafs haven't been on the wrong side of that in at least 3 years. Well, I guess the Panthers series I will concede (and the Leafs were missing Knies who is a huge part of that) but the Panthers were better than every other team in that regard during that time so I don't exactly take that as evidence the Leafs are constantly losing the physicality battle.. They bullied Tampa and they bullied the Bruins
 
HockeyVirus said:
It's objective facts.
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...yup...that ONE Series win tells the Tale... :biglaugh:


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FerrisRox said:
I don't get the point of any of these targets.

Gourde and Laughton won't move the needle one bit for the Maple Leafs and would be a total waste of whatever assets it would cost to acquire them.

While Schenn would upgrade the roster, his age and term make this a very undesirable choice. If Brayden was a pending UFA I would understand, but I have no interest in him beyond this season.

While I agree the Leafs, ideally, should be seeking a third line centre with term, that player should not be 33 years old with 1000 games to his credit. Too old to be committing to beyond this year.
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The Leafs, much like a lot of teams, are in a bit of an interesting spot this summer, with a sudden influx of cap $, without a really good way to spend it. If Marner walks, and Rantanen signs elsewhere, the Leafs are going to have a TON of space, but there won't be a long list of players to take up that cap hit.

At the end of the day, if the choice is Gourde for Grebenkin and a pick (3rd?), or Schenn for Minten and a 1st, then I think you've realistically gotta go with Schenn. He can be a real needle-mover to give the Leafs some real 3rd line depth. The Leafs aren't a paticularily fast team, Schenn would fit well.

Maybe it ends up with a deal around Cowan, and next year you look at Minten slotting in at centre with either Tavares or Schenn on the wing.
 
HockeyVirus said:
It's true lol. It was a few years ago you might not remember, Leaf fans do. It got so bad you'll sent Jeonette after us and Luke Schenn sat him down and there was no answer.

Maybe this refreshes your memory

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No answer to a fight?

Is the picture supposed to be intimidating?

If I remember correctly the deciding factor in that series was Vassy under performing.

But I guess that won't stop you from making things up.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...by all means you can...Toronto, as they've been build in the "Matthews-Marner Era" is just not an example of it...that's what you need to trade for, hence why a Schenn is on their Want List...an honest critique is an honest critique...
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Schenn was already on the team... Leafs haven't been soft in years and certainly not under Treliving. Can't believe we're still having this conversation. People just don't watch the Leafs.

Let me guess, they also need to focus on defense and not try to win every game 6-5 right?
 
NMacrules said:
We're not getting a center that is 5'9 to play anywhere near the bottom 6. He only has 16 points on the season and is often injured. He has only played one season of 82 games and a couple 80 games. He will be 34 in December. This is NOT the guy the Leafs should go after. If Tre trades any of our top prospects for this guy I'll puke. Dreger is great at starting rumours. Has Dreger actually ever broken a trade? Gourde is a non starter. Jarnkrok and Kampf are both better players. Playoffs you need guys with size.
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The guy who has ppg in playoffs twice and was a solid contributor in tampa repeatedly is bad in playoffs because he's 5'9. Okay. Try watching some games
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
On the latest insider trading Dreger opened up by saying that the Leafs are motivated to do something at this years deadline, and that the prospect pool is there and that teams like the Blues are paying attention, he specifically mentioned Minten, Cowan, Danford and Grebenkin.

That's why I disagreed when it was posted on here that the Leafs prospect pool was ranked 30th because you do have Cowan and Minten and Danford and Grebs.

And Grebs and Minten are VERY close to ready, they have already played games this year.

But near the end of the segment Lebrun said to keep an eye on Yanni Groude and the Leafs if they can't land Schenn or Laughton.

I understand Schenn being the #1 option, he should be the #1 option.

But I'd take Groude over Laughton any day because I'm 100X more comfortable with Groude at center then I am with Laughton.

I'd take Laughton on the team tomorrow but as a winger not as a center to me Groude is the CLEAR #2 option.

And he's likely going to be cheaper to get then Laughton
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Leafs are motivated to do stuff at every deadline according to the media
 
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