Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What do you guys think?

Oilers:

RNH
Nurse/Klefbom

Jets:

Trouba
Lowry/Perreault


Jets lineup:

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Laine RNH Stafford
Connor Little Armia
Lowry/Perreault Matthias Tanev

Morrissey Buff
Enstrom Myers
Nurse/Klefbom Charoit/Stuart

Pretty sure that Klefbom would be a no go from Chiarelli, And i doubt that Cheveldayoff has any interest in Nurse whom right now isn't more then a 5/6 D man at the very best.

 

[Leafs87]

If the reports of him wanting to go to Detroit are true, he's an idiot for holding out on a team like Winnipeg to go to a slowly but surlely deteriorating Detroit team. Actually there are few teams hockey wise I'd rather play for then the Jets at this point considering the future

 

[Stej]

What do you guys think?

Oilers:

RNH
Nurse/Klefbom

Jets:

Trouba
Lowry/Perreault


Jets lineup:

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Laine RNH Stafford
Connor Little Armia
Lowry/Perreault Matthias Tanev

Morrissey Buff
Enstrom Myers
Nurse/Klefbom Charoit/Stuart

As a Jets fan, I'd do Trouba for RNH straight up. I'd also do your proposal if it's Lowry leaving instead of Perreault. If it's Perreault leaving, then I'd have to wring my hands a bit and watch Klefbom/Nurse much more closely to decide if I'm comfortable doing it. Perreault is an underrated (not so much by Jets fans but by other fans) and important piece for the Jets. He's also shown loyalty in signing an extension before getting to UFA which means something given the Trouba ****-show situation.

 

[wintersej]

I'd be extremely loathe to move out Perreault if I was the Jets for all the reasons above. He is exactly the kind of middle 6 guy would want for a contender.

 

[trebendan]

I was listening to the Don Vito roundtable with Rick Ralph a few minutes ago. A segment from TSN Ottawa was played where they talked to Pierre McGuire about the Jets. McGuire said GMs are salivating at the opportunity to try to get Trouba. He said he was talking to a GM yesterday and that that GM had just made a significant offer to the Jets for Trouba.

My guess is Chevy has already rejected it.

 

[heretik27]

If the reports of him wanting to go to Detroit are true, he's an idiot for holding out on a team like Winnipeg to go to a slowly but surlely deteriorating Detroit team. Actually there are few teams hockey wise I'd rather play for then the Jets at this point considering the future

His agent keeps whining to the press about Trouba wanting to be the guy where he plays. Seems to me like he wants more offensive opportunities which he hasn't been getting with Buff and Myers on the right side and Trouba was given the PK responsibilities of the 3. Coaches solution was to move him to the left hand side with Buff on the first pairing, he doesn't want to play the left side.

Oh well, trade the kid and move on. We don't need to have people lingering around here if they don't want to be here. Plenty of others would be fine playing his minutes.

 

[CaptainChef]

What do you guys think?

Oilers:

RNH
Nurse/Klefbom

Jets:

Trouba
Lowry/Perreault


Jets lineup:

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Laine RNH Stafford
Connor Little Armia
Lowry/Perreault Matthias Tanev

Morrissey Buff
Enstrom Myers
Nurse/Klefbom Charoit/Stuart

Not sure which fan base proposed this (if either) but had expected it to be shot down in flames by now. I'd be for a RNH+ trade for Trouba simply because it sets us up for expansion draft.

Trouba + Lowry for RNH + Klef would definitely be the one I'd do. Second choice would be Trouba + Lowry for Nurse + RNH (but only if Nurse is expansion exempt).

Not sure I'd go for Perrault instead of Lowry for RNH + Klef, but if it was the best we could do, even it makes some sense

 

[Whileee]

I was listening to the Don Vito roundtable with Rick Ralph a few minutes ago. A segment from TSN Ottawa was played where they talked to Pierre McGuire about the Jets. McGuire said GMs are salivating at the opportunity to try to get Trouba. He said he was talking to a GM yesterday and that that GM had just made a significant offer to the Jets for Trouba.

My guess is Chevy has already rejected it.

Well, according to McGuire the GM said that he hoped to get a trade done "sooner rather than later". If Chevy pulls the trigger on a trade soon, then it means he got his price. Otherwise, he'll wait until he gets his price.

Good to hear that GMs are lining up with a high degree of interest, though. Chevy should do well if it's a "seller's market", as McGuire indicates it is.

 

[drw02]

If the reports of him wanting to go to Detroit are true, he's an idiot for holding out on a team like Winnipeg to go to a slowly but surlely deteriorating Detroit team. Actually there are few teams hockey wise I'd rather play for then the Jets at this point considering the future

lol been hearing that for 20 or so years....Is Detroit a cup contender right now? No. Are they an awful franchise with no future? No. They're right in the middle with the majority of teams. Their young roster players and prospects are better than you think. Just because they weren't top 5 picks doesn't mean they suck....

 

[vipernsx]

I got bored and looked at all the East teams...their RHD situations, their RHD cap commitments and how a Trouba deal could work if it happened.

Just IMO of course, but I think you could reasonably eliminate Florida, as well as Montreal, Tampa Bay, Columbus and Washington. Leaving 11 teams.

Boston and Toronto the most logical fits IMO, with Detroit and Rangers being great fits tied down by bad contracts.

BOS - Need Trouba
BUF - Trouba for Ristolainen(+)???
DET - Need Trouba but need to shed Howard
FLO - No need (Ekblad Demers Pysyk Petrovic)
MON - Trouba for Petry(+)???
OTT - Trouba for Phaneuf/Ceci(+)???
TBL - Trouba for Stralman/Garrison/Coburn(+)???
TOR - Need Trouba

CAR - Trouba for Slavin/Hanifin/Pesce(+)???
CBJ - Trouba for Savard(+)???
NJD - Could trade for Trouba
NYI - Trouba for Hamonic(+)???
NYR - Need Trouba but need to shed Staal/Girardi
PHI - Could trade for Trouba
PIT - Trouba for Maatta/Dumoulin/Daley(+)???
WAS - Trouba for Niskanen(+)???

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

 

[Whileee]

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

Staal for Trouba is a dream for the Rangers, and a nightmare for the Jets. It's not going to happen.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

Wait, wait, hold on. Are you talking about Marc Staal? The Marc Staal that is bad at hockey? Oh god, my sides. There's no way he's a "top-4 LHD that can skate, shoot and uses his size", that's downright comical.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

This is almost insulting.

Every single post I see about Staal is about how much he sucks now.....and he's going to be traded 1 for 1 here?

Give your head a shake.

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IMO Thorburn for Kreider & Tanner Glass is a good deal for both clubs. While the asking price asking price is not Thorburn, Thorburn being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 12 forward, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Thorburn does come with salary, moving out Glass's salary the other way makes Thorburn very reasonably priced (approximately $8 this season and $3.25 next and an average of not a lot a year). At an average of slightly more than not a lot a year is a fair money for a hockey player. Of course Kreider would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from wherever the hell he's from wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Winnipeg waives Glass to the minors where he is a depth bench player who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

 

[Stej]

Staal for Trouba is a dream for the Rangers, and a nightmare for the Jets. It's not going to happen.

This.

 

[Ezekial]

If the reports of him wanting to go to Detroit are true, he's an idiot for holding out on a team like Winnipeg to go to a slowly but surlely deteriorating Detroit team. Actually there are few teams hockey wise I'd rather play for then the Jets at this point considering the future

Some people's dream is to play for their hometown team. Detroit treats their players well, have some solid young pieces, and always try to be competitive.
There are few places you would rather play, but you aren't Jacob Trouba.

 

[Maukkis]

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

I'm assuming this deal is instantly followed up by Chiarot for McDonagh and Skjei, as we're wasting a protection spot on Staal?

Get real, Staal is literally wanted by nobody. You can spin the numbers and situations however you like, but any deal involving Staal is a no-no.

 

[SCP Guy]

I think Philly would need to shed some salary to do it. They'd need to move out McDonald.

IMO Staal for Trouba's rights & Mark Stuart is a good deal for both clubs. While the Jet's asking price is a LH versioin of Trouba, Staal being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 4 LHD, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Staal does come with salary, moving out Stuart's salary the other way makes Staal very reasonably priced (approximately 2.3m this season and 4.25 next and an average of 4.35m a year). At an average of 4.35m a year is a fair money for a top4 blueliner. Of course Staal would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from Thunder Bay wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Rangers waive Stuart to the minors where he is a depth blueliner who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

I kept looking to see if I missed the during your post....but I guess you are serious

 

[Hunter368]

Staal for Trouba?

WTF, in what universe would the Jets do that?

Easy no thx, don't call back.

 

[britdevil]

I'd love for Shero to make a deal for Trouba. Would be willing to pay a damn good price too.

Schneider, Hall, Henrique and Palmieri are in their prime. Greene isn't getting younger, same goes for Zajac.

Add him to the core and the Devils suddenly have a great core of players.

I know Winnipeg are looking for LD, something we don't really have. But we do have some promising young assets with the likes of Steve Santini, Miles Wood, Blake Speers that he could be more than willing to move. Jon Merrill, John Moore and Reid Boucher too, though they aren't exactly world beaters.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I'd love for Shero to make a deal for Trouba. Would be willing to pay a damn good price too.

Schneider, Hall, Henrique and Palmieri are in their prime. Greene isn't getting younger, same goes for Zajac.

Add him to the core and the Devils suddenly have a great core of players.

I know Winnipeg are looking for LD, something we don't really have. But we do have some promising young assets with the likes of Steve Santini, Miles Wood, Blake Speers that he could be more than willing to move. Jon Merrill, John Moore and Reid Boucher too, though they aren't exactly world beaters.

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[vipernsx]

This is almost insulting.

Every single post I see about Staal is about how much he sucks now.....and he's going to be traded 1 for 1 here?

Give your head a shake.

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IMO Thorburn for Kreider & Tanner Glass is a good deal for both clubs. While the asking price asking price is not Thorburn, Thorburn being 7 years older fits most of the remaining criteria. He's a top 12 forward, can skate, shoot, has size, uses it, etc.

While Thorburn does come with salary, moving out Glass's salary the other way makes Thorburn very reasonably priced (approximately $8 this season and $3.25 next and an average of not a lot a year). At an average of slightly more than not a lot a year is a fair money for a hockey player. Of course Kreider would have to agree to the deal, though I'd imaging a kid from wherever the hell he's from wouldn't mind living in Winnipeg at all.

Winnipeg waives Glass to the minors where he is a depth bench player who can be called up when needed. If he's not claimed by Las Vegas, they buy him out in June for a minimal cap hit.

For the past several years the Rangers have been a very good defensive team who makes the playoffs. During that entire time Marc Staal has been getting top4 minutes. Relative to his team he's a top4 blueliner. His team, relative to the rest of the league, has been above average. Thorburn on the other hand has been bottom line minutes on an offensively stunted team who has been performing at the bottom of the league. Relative to his team he's a bottom line guy and his team relative to the rest of the league, is a low performer. While I appreciate your humor, I don't think your comparison is accurate.

Under normal circumstances, Marc Staal for Trouba is not a fair deal, these are not normal circumstances. Don Maloney didn't get an even deal for Turris when Overhardt played this game with the Coyotes. Now that he's doing it again with the Jets, I don't expect they'll fair much better. If even value was going to happen, the LHD version of Trouba would have been traded to Winnipeg already.

And for kickers I'll throw in a quote from Gary Lawless on NHL Radio - the Power Play yesterday, "real money matters in Winnipeg".....then I'll paraphrase how he went on to say "how it's not just the cap that matters but real dollars matter as if they have a budget to work with." That makes a difference when you're going to essentially waste 4.5m on a guy to not play. Converting that money into a guy who can play top4 minutes makes sense. On the flip side, the league salary cap has gone up to 73m. 12 years ago, before the cap was started, the Rangers payroll was over 76m. I think it's safe to say the Rangers are less concerned about actual money and managing under the salary cap is the limiter.

Oh and what's really important is that Tanner Glass is on the last year of his deal so after this season the Jets wouldn't have a need to buy him out.

Staal for Trouba is a dream for the Rangers, and a nightmare for the Jets. It's not going to happen.

I think it's safe to say that Overhardt & Trouba forcing a trade out of Winnipeg and losing a guy like him is a nightmare for Winnipeg. It sucks, but it's happening.

Wait, wait, hold on. Are you talking about Marc Staal? The Marc Staal that is bad at hockey? Oh god, my sides. There's no way he's a "top-4 LHD that can skate, shoot and uses his size", that's downright comical.

He's at least as good as Enstrom & Myers.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think it's safe to say that Overhardt & Trouba forcing a trade out of Winnipeg and losing a guy like him is a nightmare for Winnipeg. It sucks, but it's happening.

This is a different ownership group than Arizona had during the Turris situation. I don't see it ending the same way. The bad situation of him wanting out doesn't mean that Chevy will panic and trade for a 29yr old who has numbers that border the difference between 2nd and 3rd pairing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's at least as good as Enstrom & Myers.

Oh god, my sides. Stop, I'm laughing so hard here.

Staal is at best a #4, a heavily overpaid and declining one to add.

 

[135ace]

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There's no way in hell that Zacha gets traded for Trouba. Maybe McLeod, but the only way I see Zacha being traded for Trouba straight up is if Trouba agrees to sign a long term deal around 5-5.5 mil, and even then I think most Devils fans would be pretty unhappy with the deal.

If the ask for Trouba is going to stay as high as it is I'd much rather target Shattenkirk or Fowler.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Some people's dream is to play for their hometown team. Detroit treats their players well, have some solid young pieces, and always try to be competitive. There are few places you would rather play, but you aren't Jacob Trouba.

Here is a question for some Detroit fans, or at least for those that claim he would prefer to play there. If he wants to play at home in Detroit, why does he live in Florida in the off-season? He owns a home there and resides there; it is his primary residence. If he wants to play at home, then Chevy had better get on the phone with Tampa.