Proposal: Trouba Mega thread Part V
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Lurch
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I know that the QO has expired, but doesn't the team have to offer something to maintain his rights? Otherwise it could be restraint of trade. Similiar to how non-compete agreements which are overly broad are unenforceable.
Perhaps he should sign the one year QO losing money this year so next year he has arbitration rights which will force the jets to pay him fair value. Players have the rights to arbitration every year so he can do fair market one year deals until free agency or until Chevy trades him.
This way he is not committed to playing in an undesirable city (never been to Winnipeg, so I have no personal opinion other than what I have read) any longer than required. Jets get their controlled asset for exactly as long as they are entitled to him but no more. And they are forced to pay him what he is worth instead of cheating or lowballing him because they "own" him.
Jets fans who are out for blood because someone doesn't want to live in their beloved city are satisfied because they have their pound of flesh in JT losing a couple million on this one year contract. Everybody wins.
I know that the QO has expired, but doesn't the team have to offer something to maintain his rights? Otherwise it could be restraint of trade. Similiar to how non-compete agreements which are overly broad are unenforceable.
Perhaps he should sign the one year QO losing money this year so next year he has arbitration rights which will force the jets to pay him fair value. Players have the rights to arbitration every year so he can do fair market one year deals until free agency or until Chevy trades him.
This way he is not committed to playing in an undesirable city (never been to Winnipeg, so I have no personal opinion other than what I have read) any longer than required. Jets get their controlled asset for exactly as long as they are entitled to him but no more. And they are forced to pay him what he is worth instead of cheating or lowballing him because they "own" him.
Jets fans who are out for blood because someone doesn't want to live in their beloved city are satisfied because they have their pound of flesh in JT losing a couple million on this one year contract. Everybody wins.
GoJetsGo55
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You appear to be under the assumption that the Jets are not willing to give him a proper contract.
The exact opposite is true. His agent confirmed that they have not allowed the Jets to submit a single offer.
This is not about money at all.
Edit: Also, I haven't seen any Jets fans out for blood. Most of us would gladly take him back on the team. It's him and his camp that are playing hardball.
Lurch
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I see several posts on this thread and on the Jets board suggesting that TNSE give him a take it or leave it minimum or undervalued and long term contract to make him pay. Also, most Jets posters seem to insist that not only he fulfill his RFA time in Winnipeg, but several UFA years as well at a discounted rate. Hopefully TNSE doesn't feel the same way as I would imagine you would have a bigger problem attracting talent to your city if you get a reputation for not treating players fairly. High taxes, poor climate, and not treating players well is a pretty bad trifecta for a small market team trying to attract talent.
This makes me think his value must be taking a hit the longer he sits.
Do we know if teams have been negotiating a deal with him, like specific figures "Toronto has offered him 5x5" etc ?
I know its hard, because if he actually signs WPG will just match any reasonable offer. So I wonder if its a catch 22, he cant say yes to a specific team in case he gets moved somewhere else and it comes out he didnt have them as a first choice.
GoJetsGo55
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I have not seen that myself but those posters are absolutely foolish. That would never happen with this ownership group.
I see nothing wrong with expecting a player to play out their RFA years with the club that drafted them but the UFA years is a different story. I've been following these threads a lot and really haven't seen anyone say such things so if you have a link it would be appreciated.
On the flip side of your last comment, letting an RFA completely walk all over you with demands is not good for ANY market.
GoJetsGo55
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His agent said that he has gone to teams to try and drum up an offer sheet. So far no one has bit that bullet.
As for what his contract demands are, there's nothing public outside of rumors.
I am sure that any team that trades for him will be allowed to negotiate a contract first. Plus, the market price on a player like him has already been set. He's a $4.5 to $5.5 player. There are so many d-men from his draft class (or within a year or 2) that have signed contracts within that range.
This probably should have been the easiest contract to negotiate if both parties were willing.
Look at the Scheifele contract. It was done in a matter of days and BOOM he's here for 8 more years.
Seriously, he does not live here during the off season and during the season, he is away as often as he is here. Winnipeg is not a contender at the moment so it is not high on the list for UFA's. I suspect the actual city has little to do with it in the long run.
To tell you the truth, I suspect that the reason he wants a trade is exactly what his agent says. He wants a better opportunity to excel then what he is getting in Winnipeg at the moment. There is no reason for him to use a cover story for a so called real reason he wants out. Some times a duck is just a duck
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I do not think that he will be undervalued; however, it is possible he will be closer to the low end of the range of comparables then the higher
end for four if not five years in order to facilitate a trade.
This is my inkling too that Trouba will go out east when this is all said and done.
Except no one his age or younger has got more minutes than him over the last three seasons. He's gotten borderline #1 minutes. If that's not opportunity....
I think he feels he would be more productive and have even more minutes if he was on his normal side. There is really no benefit for him to say that he wants to play on his normal side when the trade is about the city or organization. The Jets fans can read into what his agent said, but sometimes it is just what they say, the Jets are not letting him live up to his full potential so he wants out.
His issue is playing on the right side. Every defenseman who has more than a halfwit for an agent knows that fame, fortune, and longevity come with establishing yourself as a major offensive contributor in this league. From an outsiders perspective, he likely saw the writing on the wall when Buff was re-signed following the big swing for Myers.
Presumably, in his mind, he's saddled with tough, gritty minutes on his off-side through his prime years if he signs a deal of any substantial length. So why do it? And if you're not seeing a future with your organization, one might see the rationale in wanting to cut ties sooner rather than later.
Admittedly, part of this thinking on my part is influenced by rumors of him wanting to play for Detroit. I can't imagine anyone wanting to play for Detroit right now, even if it is your hometown team, unless you were the type of guy who had a savior complex. That seems to line up with the rumored reason he wants to leave Winnipeg - he doesn't see the opportunity to be the backend hero now nor in the future.
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lanceuppercut75
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I got bored and looked at all the East teams...their RHD situations, their RHD cap commitments and how a Trouba deal could work if it happened.
Just IMO of course, but I think you could reasonably eliminate Florida, as well as Montreal, Tampa Bay, Columbus and Washington. Leaving 11 teams.
Boston and Toronto the most logical fits IMO, with Detroit and Rangers being great fits tied down by bad contracts.
BOS - Need Trouba
BUF - Trouba for Ristolainen(+)???
DET - Need Trouba but need to shed Howard
FLO - No need (Ekblad Demers Pysyk Petrovic)
MON - Trouba for Petry(+)???
OTT - Trouba for Phaneuf/Ceci(+)???
TBL - Trouba for Stralman/Garrison/Coburn(+)???
TOR - Need Trouba
CAR - Trouba for Slavin/Hanifin/Pesce(+)???
CBJ - Trouba for Savard(+)???
NJD - Could trade for Trouba
NYI - Trouba for Hamonic(+)???
NYR - Need Trouba but need to shed Staal/Girardi
PHI - Could trade for Trouba
PIT - Trouba for Maatta/Dumoulin/Daley(+)???
WAS - Trouba for Niskanen(+)???
Just IMO of course, but I think you could reasonably eliminate Florida, as well as Montreal, Tampa Bay, Columbus and Washington. Leaving 11 teams.
Boston and Toronto the most logical fits IMO, with Detroit and Rangers being great fits tied down by bad contracts.
BOS - Need Trouba
BUF - Trouba for Ristolainen(+)???
DET - Need Trouba but need to shed Howard
FLO - No need (Ekblad Demers Pysyk Petrovic)
MON - Trouba for Petry(+)???
OTT - Trouba for Phaneuf/Ceci(+)???
TBL - Trouba for Stralman/Garrison/Coburn(+)???
TOR - Need Trouba
CAR - Trouba for Slavin/Hanifin/Pesce(+)???
CBJ - Trouba for Savard(+)???
NJD - Could trade for Trouba
NYI - Trouba for Hamonic(+)???
NYR - Need Trouba but need to shed Staal/Girardi
PHI - Could trade for Trouba
PIT - Trouba for Maatta/Dumoulin/Daley(+)???
WAS - Trouba for Niskanen(+)???
Empoleon8771
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Daley is mainly a RD and I'd never in a million years trade Dumoulin for Trouba. I might do Maatta for Trouba, but I don't really know if that would solve anything on the Penguins.
GoJetsGo55
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I don't have the timestamp but he says it during this interview
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/overhardt-trouba-wants-to-realize-his-potential-1.574329
Edit: Timestamp is 2:50
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Detroit really wouldn't have to shed Howard's salary, Just put Kronwall on LTIR that nearly clears around $5 million in cap. Looking like Kronwall is pretty much done any ways.
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He could be another candidate to end up in Arizona in 18-19 when his salary drops to $1.75m.
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I may have missed this but what are Jets fans thoughts on a Maatta and small + (Fehr?) for Trouba?
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Wouldn't mind that, Or maybe Vegas helps us out. They can have both Kronwall and Franzen on LTIR depending on where they are at with the cap floor.
GoJetsGo55
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It's one of the offers on the table that Jets fans have said they would accept. I don't know enough about Maatta's game to know if I would be excited, angry or neutral.
What do you guys think?
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