Player Discussion Trent Frederic II

[goldenblack]

I didn't ask you about a small spate of game. We're talking the season. Has he played up to expectations for the entirety of the season?

So you can ask that here, but not the Korpi thread?

Bit weird. Total minutes of ice hockey I imagine they've been on the ice almost the same amount of time...

 

[LSCII]

So you can ask that here, but not the Korpi thread?

Bit weird. Total minutes of ice hockey I imagine they've been on the ice almost the same amount of time...

Huh? I think you have things confused because my issue isn't discussing the players but rather some folks incessant need to take a premature victory lap based on a small sample. In the case of Korpi, it's been what 9 starts? In terms of Freddy, he's played 29 but people want to ignore the totality of his performance in favor of the last couple of weeks, Which is again, a small sample size.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Huh? I think you have things confused because my issue isn't discussing the players but rather some folks incessant need to take a premature victory lap based on a small sample. In the case of Korpi, it's been what 9 starts? In terms of Freddy, he's played 29 but people want to ignore the totality of his performance in favor of the last couple of weeks, Which is again, a small sample size.

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[PB37]

So you can ask that here, but not the Korpi thread?

Bit weird. Total minutes of ice hockey I imagine they've been on the ice almost the same amount of time...

With Korpisalo, he's already played about a third of the games he'll most likely start this year ( 10 currently ), which is roughly the same percentage of games Freddy will end up playing barring injury ( 29 out of 82 ) or benching.

But, Korpisalo is still in the beginning stages of his Boston D / Goalie Bob redememption arc after leaving Ottawa. The early returns are nice but can he keep it up? We have to wait and see.

Freddy is a fine third liner who is finally appearing on the scoreboard and upping his play but we have seen too many games over the years ( a lot of them important playoff games ) where he's just not a difference maker when he should be with his size/physicality. I get why some people want him run out of town - I don't, but I'd like to see him find a consistency to his game. 40 points is about what I think is reasonable to expect but it's his tendency to be invisible for too many games in a row that can be frustrating with him, especially when he has all the tools and physical gifts to be more noticable on the ice.

 

[LSCII]

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The irony of this is nearly too much to take....

 

[Over the volcano]

Freddy is a fine third liner who is finally appearing on the scoreboard and upping his play but we have seen too many games over the years ( a lot of them important playoff games ) where he's just not a difference maker when he should be with his size/physicality. I get why some people want him run out of town - I don't, but I'd like to see him find a consistency to his game. 40 points is about what I think is reasonable to expect but it's his tendency to be invisible for too many games in a row that can be frustrating with him, especially when he has all the tools and physical gifts to be more noticable on the ice.

It's kind of a funny spot to be in - a solid 3rd liner for 2mil who can put up 40 pts. But he gets criticized for not being a difference maker in the playoffs and is perpetually the whipping boy of the "fans" in here. Either folks expectations are too high or he's secretly a first line wrecker who's woefully underperforming. I mean what 2mil third liners are expected to be difference makers in the playoffs?

IMO He is what he is, a solid complimentary 3rd liner who could produce more with more opportunities. I think another team will offer those chances and pay him for it. But who knows, Sacco put him on the PP and he's repaid the chance by figuring in on their last two PP goals.

 

[PB37]

It's kind of a funny spot to be in - a solid 3rd liner for 2mil who can put up 40 pts. But he gets criticized for not being a difference maker in the playoffs and is perpetually the whipping boy of the "fans" in here. Either folks expectations are too high or he's secretly a first line wrecker who's woefully underperforming. I mean what 2mil third liners are expected to be difference makers in the playoffs?

IMO He is what he is, a solid complimentary 3rd liner who could produce more with more opportunities. I think another team will offer those chances and pay him for it. But who knows, Sacco put him on the PP and he's repaid the chance by figuring in on their last two PP goals.

It's not just about his production, which is fine for a 3rd liner. It's his impact on the game outside of the scoreboard that can leave you wanting. His problem is that his motor gets stuck in neutral a lot when the team could use him in 4th or 5th gear like Kastelic.

 

[LouJersey]

Deal Coyle, lock up Freddy as 3C going forward.

 

[Over the volcano]

It's not just about his production, which is fine for a 3rd liner. It's his impact on the game outside of the scoreboard that can leave you wanting. His problem is that his motor gets stuck in neutral a lot when the team could use him in 4th or 5th gear like Kastelic.

What other player do we expect to play like Kastelic (who went 0 for December) and put up 40 pts? I can't think of one.

 

[PB37]

What other player do we expect to play like Kastelic (who went 0 for December) and put up 40 pts? I can't think of one.

You mean someone who plays hard from the go and contributes to the game without having to be on the scoreboard? That's kind of the job of the 3rd and 4th lines and moreso guys like Frederic who are big, strong, skate reasonably well, and can play physical. His problem has always been for a player who should be playing a loud game ( again, like a Kastelic ) he's too often quiet.

 

[Over the volcano]

You mean someone who plays hard from the go and contributes to the game without having to be on the scoreboard? That's kind of the job of the 3rd and 4th lines and moreso guys like Frederic who are big, strong, skate reasonably well, and can play physical. His problem has always been for a player who should be playing a loud game ( again, like a Kastelic ) he's too often quiet.

Seriously name a player we expect to play Kastelic's game AND produce? Big, strong and can play physical... Coyle (it'd be a joke), Brazzeau (who's a physical monster)... I mean just name a name other than Frederic. Beecher? Zacha?

 

[PB37]

Seriously name a player we expect to play Kastelic's game AND produce? Big, strong and can play physical... Coyle (it'd be a joke), Brazzeau (who's a physical monster)... I mean just name a name other than Frederic. Beecher? Zacha?

You're not getting it. I'm talking about being noticeable out on the ice more than just the times he produces. Frederic has ALL the tools to be THAT guy - and he shows flashes here and there, but is often quiet. The production is fine ( with this season, getting better would be more apt ). It's his compete level that has always held him back.

 

[Over the volcano]

You're not getting it. I'm talking about being noticeable out on the ice more than just the times he produces. Frederic has ALL the tools to be THAT guy - and he shows flashes here and there, but is often quiet. The production is fine ( with this season, getting better would be more apt ). It's his compete level that has always held him back.

You used Kastelic as an example for him but not for any other player.

Besides I disagree that he has "all the tools" to be THAT imaginary player you expect - Coyle has more tools, Beecher has more speed and size, Brazzeau has more size and hands. Zacha has the size, hands and vision. None of them are expected to be THAT guy the way we throw it on Frederic. So it goes.

 

[PB37]

You used Kastelic as an example for him but not for any other player.

Besides I disagree that he has "all the tools" to be THAT imaginary player you expect - Coyle has more tools, Beecher has more speed and size, Brazzeau has more size and hands. Zacha has the size, hands and vision. None of them are expected to be THAT guy the way we throw it on Frederic. So it goes.

It's not imaginary because we've seen him play hard, hit and fight angry, and make an impact on the game outside of producing points. He's 6-3, 220, athletic and from an athletic family. We throw it on Freddy because again, his loud is loud and his quiet is far too quiet. There's nothing wrong with expecting more from him.

 

[BruinDust]

That penalty says it all about Frederic. 5'10, 170 lb opponent and still can't figure out how to hit him clean and separate the player from the puck.

A combination of stupid and lazy. That's always been his issue. Always will be his issue.

 

[Over the volcano]

That penalty says it all about Frederic. 5'10, 170 lb opponent and still can't figure out how to hit him clean and separate the player from the puck.

A combination of stupid and lazy. That's always been his issue. Always will be his issue.

Guy is 10th in the league in hits, just imagine what he could do if he weren't lazy and knew how to throw a hit.

 

[BruinDust]

Guy is 10th in the league in hits, just imagine what he could do if he weren't lazy and knew how to throw a hit.

99% of which are Shawn Thornton specials. Gets a little piece of the opponent just enough to record a hit.

 

[Over the volcano]

99% of which are Shawn Thornton specials. Gets a little piece of the opponent just enough to record a hit.

Another guy who was a combination of stupid and lazy?

 

[BruinDust]

Another guy who was a combination of stupid and lazy?

Shawn Thornton moved his feet the entire game, too bad he's only half the skater Trent Frederic is.

Frederic doesn't even know when to move his feet.

Fights a guy who has never had an NHL fight in his life in a game completely out of reach. Clown.

 

[Over the volcano]

Shawn Thornton moved his feet the entire game, too bad he's only half the skater Trent Frederic is.

Frederic doesn't even know when to move his feet.

Fights a guy who has never had an NHL fight in his life in a game completely out of reach. Clown.

Real shame he one punched a guy who dropped the gloves with him and it brought Kastellic and Zadorov into it. That was not fun to watch. The rest of the team though looked great.

 

[LouJersey]

Real shame he one punched a guy who dropped the gloves with him and it brought Kastellic and Zadorov into it. That was not fun to watch. The rest of the team though looked great.

It was great to watch but let's be honest, of the tough guys the Bruins have who is most likely to do that? He's fought twice this year in many opportunites, vs Larsson and Gustafsson. Amazing he forces the issue with those types this year and not others. How about drop them in a game out of hand vs Olivier in Columbus? Nah, just have 1 hit in 15 minutes. Where was he vs Florida? Oh right getting a -5 in two games

If you're going to play that way play that way always. Seems like he's back to being a spot picker in his money year

 

[Over the volcano]

It was great to watch but let's be honest, of the tough guys the Bruins have who is most likely to do that? He's fought twice this year in many opportunites, vs Larsson and Gustafsson. Amazing he forces the issue with those types this year and not others. How about drop them in a game out of hand vs Olivier in Columbus? Nah, just have 1 hit in 15 minutes. Where was he vs Florida? Oh right getting a -5 in two games

If you're going to play that way play that way always. Seems like he's back to being a spot picker in his money year

Game one he pressed the issue with Tkachuk who said he'd go but didn't and left Frederic with a 2 min minor and Thachuck and Bennett at his feet. Larson had it coming after blindsiding Poitras.

He's challenged plenty of guys since then but isn't going to take an instigator or put his team on the PK. I'd love to see more guys agree to go. Winnipeg comes to Boston in a month or so, they'll have their chance.

 

[LouJersey]

Game one he pressed the issue with Tkachuk who said he'd go but didn't and left Frederic with a 2 min minor and Thachuck and Bennett at his feet. Larson had it coming after blindsiding Poitras.

He's challenged plenty of guys since then but isn't going to take an instigator or put his team on the PK. I'd love to see more guys agree to go. Winnipeg comes to Boston in a month or so, they'll have their chance.

Yeah but he's fine crosschecking a guy repeatedly that doesn't fight to get him to go and does nothing to get any of the other guys to go? Give me a break, I like him, but let's call it like it is he's a total spot picker this year so far. He's been a shrinking violet for whatever reason.

 

[Over the volcano]

Yeah but he's fine crosschecking a guy repeatedly that doesn't fight to get him to go and does nothing to get any of the other guys to go? Give me a break, I like him, but let's call it like it is he's a total spot picker this year so far. He's been a shrinking violet for whatever reason.

Gustafsson was giving as good as we was getting till he dropped his gloves. Maybe Frederic should have shrunk away from it.

Last year he fought 7 times, this year he's on pace fro roughly 5 or 6.

But I get it, there are different expectations for Frederic. We expect him to fight heavyweights and put up 20g 20a. No one else on the team, and maybe 1 or 2 guys in the league carry that.

 

[LSCII]

Real shame he one punched a guy who dropped the gloves with him and it brought Kastellic and Zadorov into it. That was not fun to watch. The rest of the team though looked great.

How’d the game go again? They won? No? Lost in OT? No? Close game? No?

Who gives a flying f*** about a dumb fight when they played shitty sub par hockey, yet again?

This is why we can’t have nice things.