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[oobga]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839699518205341721

Really want to see someone else tried on McDavid's LW. There is just no getting around what a ghost Nuge is 5v5 when the going gets tough. 4 primary points 5v5 the entire last run while McDavid was blowing the doors off more than any player in 3 decades.

Was McDavid vs the world in the finals with Hyman run down from the run. Nuge was near mint condition but barely any help at all.

 

[Spawn]

I can pretty much guarantee those same people would be whining about #2LW if they didn't sign someone like Skinner to address #2RD instead.

Somehow the concept of there only being so much money to go around is lost on some people.

The difference is that we have a #2LW option for free once he’s healthy come later in the season. There’s no cavalry coming on RD.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Really want to see someone else tried on McDavid's LW. There is just no getting around what a ghost Nuge is 5v5 when the going gets tough. 4 primary points 5v5 the entire last run while McDavid was blowing the doors off more than any player in 3 decades.

Was McDavid vs the world in the finals with Hyman run down from the run. Nuge was near mint condition but barely any help at all.

That and Perry is a scrub. No, we don't need his 'leadership' - we are the oldest team in the league.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I can pretty much guarantee those same people would be whining about #2LW if they didn't sign someone like Skinner to address #2RD instead.

Somehow the concept of there only being so much money to go around is lost on some people.

The thing is that we have a #2LW - Kane. He will miss most of the season but his spot is not as critical as the Mt St Helen’s sized hole at #2 RD.

Time will tell if the gamble paid off and no doubt they will try to fill the hole in season but I’m not sure the hole, which has been there for years and years, shouldn’t have been the top priority instead of adding a second second line LW.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Apparently a lot of the Oilers ex management thought Noah Philp would never become an NHLer or AHLer (Stauffer on Oilers Now today)

We should be happy they are gone (Ken Holland co.)

 

[McTonyBrar]

Seravalli believes the Oilers should be starting Noah Philp as our 4th line centre

 

[McDNicks17]

The thing is that we have a #2LW - Kane. He will miss most of the season but his spot is not as critical as the Mt St Helen’s sized hole at #2 RD.

Time will tell if the gamble paid off and no doubt they will try to fill the hole in season but I’m not sure the hole, which has been there for years and years, shouldn’t have been the top priority instead of adding a second second line LW.

I'd say #2LW is just as critical. Maybe even more so. Both in impact on the ice(especially since Kane has never really meshed with Leon) and getting Leon re-signed.


Also, I don't really think the options are all that different.

Scenario #1: #2LW(Skinner), eventual #2/3LW(Kane), stop gap D(Emberson) and eventual top4 D(trade deadline)

Scenario #2: stop gap #2LW(whoever), eventual #2/3LW(Kane), top4 D(prioritizing RD), eventual whatever(trade deadline)

You're pretty much ending up in the same place. Just getting the pieces at different times.

 

[McDNicks17]

The difference is that we have a #2LW option for free once he’s healthy come later in the season. There’s no cavalry coming on RD.

You're giving up assets for a top4 rightie and waiting until the deadline to add an NHL player in both cases though, so is there really much of a difference?

 

[McShogun99]

Really want to see someone else tried on McDavid's LW. There is just no getting around what a ghost Nuge is 5v5 when the going gets tough. 4 primary points 5v5 the entire last run while McDavid was blowing the doors off more than any player in 3 decades.

Was McDavid vs the world in the finals with Hyman run down from the run. Nuge was near mint condition but barely any help at all.

I’d like to see RNH moved down to 3C when Kane is back. We could technically run 3 scoring lines.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I'd say #2LW is just as critical. Maybe even more so. Both in impact on the ice(especially since Kane has never really meshed with Leon) and getting Leon re-signed.


Also, I don't really think the options are all that different.

Scenario #1: #2LW(Skinner), eventual #2/3LW(Kane), stop gap D(Emberson) and eventual top4 D(trade deadline)

Scenario #2: stop gap #2LW(whoever), eventual #2/3LW(Kane), top4 D(prioritizing RD), eventual whatever(trade deadline)

You're pretty much ending up in the same place. Just getting the pieces at different times.

Agree about the end result but disagree with the importance of order of importance of the position, especially when the 2LD is a mistake prone Nurse.

Either way the Oilers should make the playoffs without question but concerned another finish below 1st in the Pacific leaves the team fatigued and road weary for a Finals push. Thats where in my mind a solid 2RD from Day One helps cement a 1st place Pacific finish.

I am fascinated by how it will turn out.

 

[FlameChampion]

Seravalli believes the Oilers should be starting Noah Philp as our 4th line centre

I’ve been pretty impressed with him honestly. I haven’t seen anything from Ryan or Pederson this preseason. I’d be surprised if Philp starts but I hope he does.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Seravalli believes the Oilers should be starting Noah Philp as our 4th line centre

I want to see Philp start in the minors just so he can pick up more of his offensive game, a year off is a long time in hockey, he looks good though and will be our 4C down the road.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

Between Ryan, Lavoie and Philp, doesn't only Philp have waiver exemption? Wonder if that factors in

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Between Ryan, Lavoie and Philp, doesn't only Philp have waiver exemption? Wonder if that factors in

I think it would. I think Philp will be in the NHL at some point this year, even if it's not at the start.

 

[Oilslick941611]

The reverse Versteeg?

(correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he sign a PTO here then part way through preseason sign a NHL deal with the Flames?)

Players in PTOs can sign with any nhl team.

Have we had any rounds of cuts yet other than the one at the start of the week?

I’ve been pretty impressed with him honestly. I haven’t seen anything from Ryan or Pederson this preseason. I’d be surprised if Philp starts but I hope he does.

I have an extremely hard time with his name. I always call him Philip. Philp is such a weird name to me.

 

[brentashton]

Have we had any rounds of cuts yet other than the one at the start of the week?

Yes.

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[Spawn]

You're giving up assets for a top4 rightie and waiting until the deadline to add an NHL player in both cases though, so is there really much of a difference?

There were top 4 RHD available in the summer. We don’t know the same will be true come the deadline.

 

[McDNicks17]

There were top 4 RHD available in the summer. We don’t know the same will be true come the deadline.

Expecting zero top4 righties to be available at the deadline seems a little doomy and gloomy to me.

 

[Spawn]

Expecting zero top4 righties to be available at the deadline seems a little doomy and gloomy to me.

Im not saying that’s the case. But it’s not like top 4 RHD grow on trees. And it’s not hard to look at the list of upcoming free agents and see a pretty light list on guys who might be moved.

 

[McDNicks17]

Im not saying that’s the case. But come on now, when is it not easier to trade for a middle six W than it is a top 4 RHD?

That might be why they went the route they did. Top4 D are traded at the deadline a ton more than during the offseason.

Get a top6 winger for free out of UFA and then plan to pick up a D when they're more readily available.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Or those people might have preferred an upgrade on Ceci vs spending $10m on middle six forward upgrades.

Time will tell if this was the right move or not. But it’s not like there weren’t other ways to approach this offseason than the one the Oilers took.

And if the Oilers spent cap space and likely assets upgrading the D then those same people would be whining that the Oilers didn’t get wingers for Leon and that the team has no fwd depth.

More then one way to build a team and more then one way to win. They’ve created a lot of flexibility while being patient and it’s going to pay off again like it did with Ekholm.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

There were top 4 RHD available in the summer. We don’t know the same will be true come the deadline.

Im sure you have a list.

Or those people might have preferred an upgrade on Ceci vs spending $10m on middle six forward upgrades.

Time will tell if this was the right move or not. But it’s not like there weren’t other ways to approach this offseason than the one the Oilers took.

The oilers lost the cup cause they couldnt score more than 1 goal.

They needed forward upgrades also.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

I’d like to see RNH moved down to 3C when Kane is back. We could technically run 3 scoring lines.

I don't get that because I feel Henrique is a better fit at 3C than RNH. If you want to run a more balanced top 3 lines, you drop one of RNH, Skinner, or Arvidsson to 3rd line wing, and Arvidsson seems like the best fit on that line, with Skinner being the worst. Then you move up one of the young guys to 2nd line wing. Savoie/Lavoie/Podkolzin all have limited to ZERO NHL experience, but also, all have the highest offensive upside.

Chances are they start out like this...

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Podkolzin-Ryan-(Perry/Lavoie)


give it a week or 2, see how it goes. Send down Savoie and Philp and see how they look in the AHL, if they look good, they become the first call up, depending on what hole needs to be filled.

ya, one wing on the 3rd line is a little weak, meanwhile, 7 out of 9 spots in the top 9 are stacked, and Brown on 3rd line wing, if he's the Brown of before he hurt his knee, is also a great piece for the 3rd line.

The team has some question marks, but they aren't major ones at this point, imo. If Nurse and his partner struggle, that changes things, but why not trust that maybe Nurse was hurt and that is why he struggled. Nurse was great for the majority of his career, my feeling is he will bounce back in a big way.

 

[MessierII]

Really want to see someone else tried on McDavid's LW. There is just no getting around what a ghost Nuge is 5v5 when the going gets tough. 4 primary points 5v5 the entire last run while McDavid was blowing the doors off more than any player in 3 decades.

Was McDavid vs the world in the finals with Hyman run down from the run. Nuge was near mint condition but barely any help at all.

I’d like to see the 3 centers down the middle personally.

 

[Jarvi]

Nurse-Bouchard
Ekholm-Emberson
Kulak-Barrie/Shattenkirk/Stecher/Brown

I'd like to see something like this tried out at some point. Pickup one of the offensive RHD, and take the training wheels off Bouchard and give them to Emberson.

I personally think Bouchard will still prove he is worth big money again this year, but it would help really cement it if we could depend on him to carry a pairing with Nurse. Also, hopefully have some of Ekholms mentorship provide the same growth in Emberson that it did Bouchard. I was advocating breaking them up in the playoffs to hopefully balance the D, which we never did try, but I would like to see it before we hit the TDL to see what we really have. Nurse doesn't seem like a partner that will help Emberson grow, plays too chaotic of a game imo.