News and Blog Report: Training camp & Preseason News & Notes

[belair]

I haven’t watched him much from Jr but from what I saw he always struck me as the complimentary scorer player. Watching him in Bako and his training camps he seems to be more a finesse player - something we just don’t need.



I’d rather we bet on players that fit the 3/4 line mold than scorers that late. Late round scorers with no size rarely pan out and we need the complimentary players at cheap contracts to fill out our roster down the road.

Not much of a finesse guy. He's a really solid transition winger who does a good job of playing off of skilled linemates. He's better suited playing with a puck transporter at even strength. He's also a weapon on the powerplay. That's a useful player.

If you can unlock some offense this year in the A, it's not hard seeing him build some momentum to an eventual call up.

I think that most effective bottom six type players start off as effective offensive players at lower levels. It's not always physical, PK types.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Drai-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Savoie
Podkolzin-Philp-Brown
Perry

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Emberson
Kulak-Stetcher
Brown

Skinner
Pickard

Kane on IR
Ryan waived to minors

Lets get a little bit of extra size down the middle and some more speed/youth in the bottom 6. Perry can fill in where needed.

Give me an L instead of an S attached to "avoie" and I like the look of that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

For those who didn't see it. Makes sense. I expect Wanner to get a heavy work load in Bako this year.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

They have an infinitesimally small chance at becoming a full time NHLer but I prefer how we made our late picks this year, getting guys with character who will never be scorers but may turn out to be solid role players. Petrov for me had such a small chance at latching on as a top 6 guy that it wasn't worth the pick. Pick your shit disturbers, your long shot big D men like Desharnais, your character guys late for a team as offensively stacked as the Oilers. McDavid and Co can handle the offence. Where we will need help is with cheap role players, checkers, depth D men and penalty killers.

Not to pile on here. But I loved the late round bet on Petrov. I think he's shown solid character in choosing to play in Northern Ontario's North Bay, has learned English seemingly effortlessly, has shown an adaptable game in a junior with goal scoring and playmaking.

Hardest jump to make is junior to pro. Petrov hit the wall and has a lot to prove following a largely ineffective first year and this year's poor Rookie Tournament and main camp. This is a huge year for the player. The odds are always against six round players ever making it to NHL apex level competition. But good to draft a range of player types regardless of immediate need.

Let's see what Petrov does with a clear message his camp wasn't good enough.

 

[bellagiobob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1839350621394415623

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Not to pile on here. But I loved the late round bet on Petrov. I think he's shown solid character in choosing to play in Northern Ontario's North Bay, has learned English seemingly effortlessly, has shown an adaptable game in a junior with goal scoring and playmaking.

Hardest jump to make is junior to pro. Petrov hit the wall and has a lot to prove following a largely ineffective first year and this year's poor Rookie Tournament and main camp. This is a huge year for the player. The odds are always against six round players ever making it to NHL apex level competition. But good to draft a range of player types regardless of immediate need.

Let's see what Petrov does with a clear message his camp wasn't good enough.

By character I mean what they show on the ice. He doesn’t have much size, have yet to see him throw a check, doesn’t back check well, doesn’t “dig in” which all speak to him showing to be a production player without a commitment to the NHL openings this team will have.

Just my point of view right or wrong. Didn’t line the pick then. Don’t like it now.

 

[surixon]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

By character I mean what they show on the ice. He doesn’t have much size, have yet to see him throw a check, doesn’t back check well, doesn’t “dig in” which all speak to him showing to be a production player without a commitment to the NHL openings this team will have.

Just my point of view right or wrong. Didn’t line the pick then. Don’t like it now.

Gotcha. Fair points. His skill is his calling card but agree that's not enough for virtually all players to coast on in moving up the food chain from junior to pro. Will never be a heavy player but showing aptitude, willingness and work boots to play a two-way game is a critical component of his development needs. Of course that's a moot point if he can't score and produce against AHL competition.

Petrov made a bid decision to jump to North America and play in somewhat remote North Bay which isn't necessarily a traditional path for Russian players. His ability to learn English too was impressed. But at pro level the mental strength, desire, resiliency, grit and determination is huge factor that separates those that ultimately step up to NHL apex competition. This is a defining year for him.

 

[Soundwave]

For all his horrible management, and by god there was a lot, Chiarelli did hit on quite a few mid to late round D-picks.

Caleb Jones
Ethan Bear
John Marino
Vincent Desharnais
Michael Kesselring

Hell, there’s still an outside chance Phillip Kemp could get a look as a bottom pair guy.

Nothing to write home about, but miles better than anything before or since.

Unfortunately for him he blew it on his higher picks by passing on all of Barzal/Connor/Chabot/Boeser, Aho, DeBrincat, Tkachuk, etc. etc. Blowing all those picks effectively cost him his job. If he could have recoginized any one of those players was going to be really good, he would have likely bought himself enough time to save his job.

 

[Spawn]

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Unfortunately for him he blew it on his higher picks by passing on all of Barzal/Connor/Chabot/Boeser, Aho, DeBrincat, Tkachuk, etc. etc. Blowing all those picks effectively cost him his job. If he could have recoginized any one of those players was going to be really good, he would have likely bought himself enough time to save his job.

Oh yeah, he did far more bad than good. But for depth drafting he did pretty good.

 

[McFlash97]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

Hes had his moments, just needs to get used to the pro game and be engaged more consistently. Expected from a 20 year old with 1 pro game of experience.

 

[On The Prowl]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

They haven't really given him a shot with skilled linemates yet, I think his best linemate so far has been Philp. He probably has to really earn his chance to play with Draisaitl and McDavid in the coaching staffs eyes, but I would like to see him given a pre-season game with one of them.

 

[FlameChampion]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

Its hard to tell honestly. 3 of the 4 games haven’t been competitive as Oilers don’t tend to play their veterans or skilled players.

I think Savoie and Philp have had their moments and have showed pretty well. They look better than most of our players. Which is sort of a compliment and damning at the same time, because for the most part, we are sleepwalking through preseason. Hopefully the next four games will be a step up and we can evaluate the roster a bit better.

 

[Boner Pills]

I just have to jump on the f*** Oilers+ bandwagon. Sad it has come down to bleeding every dollar out of fans even for pre-season games. I used to love getting a look at some of the youngsters to see what they've got.

 

[Fourier]

Gotcha. Fair points. His skill is his calling card but agree that's not enough for virtually all players to coast on in moving up the food chain from junior to pro. Will never be a heavy player but showing aptitude, willingness and work boots to play a two-way game is a critical component of his development needs. Of course that's a moot point if he can't score and produce against AHL competition.

Petrov made a bid decision to jump to North America and play in somewhat remote North Bay which isn't necessarily a traditional path for Russian players. His ability to learn English too was impressed. But at pro level the mental strength, desire, resiliency, grit and determination is huge factor that separates those that ultimately step up to NHL apex competition. This is a defining year for him.

In NB Petrov did a lot more than just show off his skill. He played hard and was a very good two-way winger. He also went from complementary shooter in his first year to more of a line driving playmaker in his second year to fit his line mates.

 

[Stealth1616]

Why are people throwing around the word bust for Petrov ? Ya he wasn’t super productive his first year pro but development isn’t linear.

He will have more opportunity this year so could still potentially improve quite a bit.

 

[belair]

In NB Petrov did a lot more than just show off his skill. He played hard and was a very good two-way winger. He also went from complementary shooter in his first year to more of a line driving playmaker in his second year to fit his line mates.

Yep. Second year he played much of the year on a quasi 2nd/3rd line, much of it with Anthony Romani and recent Oiler draftee Dalyn Wakely. The Battalion were a contender with a strong 19/20 year old contingent.

He was a PP wizard on the top unit and had tremendous chemistry with PPQB Ty Nelson.

Look at Nikita Tarasevich's statline that year and compare it to the rest of his career. That's the kind of impact that Petrov had on his linemates.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

In NB Petrov did a lot more than just show off his skill. He played hard and was a very good two-way winger. He also went from complementary shooter in his first year to more of a line driving playmaker in his second year to fit his line mates.

Thanks! Good to know. I had no live viewings only what I saw via highlights or read as reported as he evolved from shooter to playmaker. I hadn't heard really anything about his two-way game in junior. Hard to get a holistic view without direct viewings. Good playoff production both years there.

Lots of raw skill and I think some quality characteristics that I've alluded to. This is a big year for a prospect that has some valuable skill. Always a big jump to pro hockey. Petrov will need to grow all the dimensions of his game this season.

 

[belair]

Thanks! Good to know. I had no live viewings only what I saw via highlights or read as reported as he evolved from shooter to playmaker. I hadn't heard really anything about his two-way game in junior. Hard to get a holistic view without direct viewings. Good playoff production both years there.

Lots of raw skill and I think some quality characteristics that I've alluded to. This is a big year for a prospect that has some valuable skill. Always a big jump to pro hockey. Petrov will need to grow all the dimensions of his game this season.

I think it's imperative for his development to get him more touches this season, which is why I'm not terribly against moving on from Raphael Lavoie if he fails to make the opening night roster.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

Plusses: High end skill, tenacious on the forecheck trying to strip pucks and creative.

Minuses: Needs to learn how to win more battles and hold the puck longer at this level and try to do a better job of being noticeable more often in a positive way.

IMO he should start in Bako and get a solid 1/2 season there before we consider bringing him back up. Give Lavoie and Philp a chance to show what they've got while Savoie works on his game.

 

[FlameChampion]

Plusses: High end skill, tenacious on the forecheck trying to strip pucks and creative.

Minuses: Needs to learn how to win more battles and hold the puck longer at this level and try to do a better job of being noticeable more often in a positive way.

IMO he should start in Bako and get a solid 1/2 season there before we consider bringing him back up. Give Lavoie and Philp a chance to show what they've got while Savoie works on his game.

I am a little concerned that his game isn’t going to evolve much under Chaulk

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I am a little concerned that his game isn’t going to evolve much under Chaulk

Well if it doesn't then Chaulk is likely down the road. We are relying heavily on Savoie to become a key depth contributor on the cheap in the next 2-3 years.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Gee who didn’t see this coming after losing 3 RD this off season. Oilers gambling big time here.

 

[MessierII]

Question for Oilers fans, as someone who followed the Ice a lot and am a fan of Savoie, how has he looked in camp?

To me it’s easy to see the raw talent is there. He’s had moments of brilliance with his shifty hands and mobility. I think he’ll be a great player but he’s not making the team out of camp. I think he needs to go to the minors and be the anchor of the forward group there. That experience will help him. Just becoming more of a pro which really just means playing at his highest level more consistently.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I think it's imperative for his development to get him more touches this season, which is why I'm not terribly against moving on from Raphael Lavoie if he fails to make the opening night roster.

I think this organization needs to foster competition so I'd be reluctant to flush Lavoie (assuming he cleared). This is a shallow prospect pool so moving on from guys still in development cycle needs to carefully managed. They've already farmed out Tullio and Chiasson.

They could move The Drake around the lineup while fostering competition between Petrov and Lavoie for right shot left wing options in the top six. Frankly moving both between LW and RW can be another consideration to grow their versatility. Neither are really well situated for bottom six recall considerations though Lavoie would be closer with age and experience.

I think Petrov will be better served with a strong competitive situation. He was surprisingly quiet in the rookie tournament and an early farm out from main camp. This should be good motivation to dig within to work on his skills, two-way play, and mental maturity. Lots of raw talent but time to put it together with clear focus from within.