GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Having been to 24 NHL arenas and every barn on this list except Tampa, I rank Vegas, Minnesota and Nashville as the top places outside of MSG.

Minnesota is high on my list!

 

[Cmox]

AHaha what a story, Mark

 

[Machinehead]

English Shesty

He needs to call ya boy! Tutoring once a week and I'll have him rapping in English.

Three easy payments of $69.69!

 

[Kodiak]

Y'all didn't want nice Machinehead anymore so you did this

 

[Kords]

So i'm solely basing this on his few pressers and (my gut reaction) so far, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume the rumors about GG not being a big analytics guy are true. His casual approach and old school mindset make that kinda apparent imo.

Not a big deal for me as long as he gets results, just an observation about one of the potential digs I remember seeing leveled against him over the summer.

 

[chosen]

I guess Gallant won’t get credit if this team does succeed moving forward? Ridiculous.

But to your question, I already sorta touched on how he will be measured. And that is consistency. In fact I think the proper word is PREPARATION. That alone will be a good measuring stick. Over the last 3 years under Quinn, his teams constantly did not show up ready to play. They looked almost disinterested or as if the game they were playing that night was surprisingly added to the schedule last minute. It was the whole team too, veterans, rookies, everyone. It was pathetic. And it was not respectable. I was ashamed of those teams. They also could not find a way to hold onto leads. You can point to “inexperience” but I point to pour coaching, not getting your players to buy in. It was also poor personnel choices in-game. Piss poor ice time distribution. The length of leash some had over others even though they were not deserving.

Gallant, his experience and success (even if it wasn’t a Cup) is a breath of fresh air.

The issue I have with this is that there has been a big change in personnel and some very talented youth gained experience.

I expected this team to make the playoffs in the coming season without a change in management or coaching, so I'm not sure how to quantify the impact of Gallant. You are pointing to the 1st period results as a good way of judging. I guess we'll see how that plays out, but one thing is absolutely certain.

If the Rangers don't make the playoffs, this team will be viewed as a total failure.

 

[egelband]

This is Rangers!

Maybe it will be. It certainly hasn’t been, though. Sad to say.

 

[egelband]

Margaret Bourke White is the photographer in that picture. She loved the Chrysler Building so much and had her studio there. She wanted to live there as well but Manhattan zoning codes forbade it unless you were on the janitorial staff.
She tried to have the buildings owners list her as staff to circumvent the law but her application was denied.
If anyone would like to read one of the most comprehensive books on Manhattan in the 20th Century can’t recommend enough.
Supreme City: How Jazz Age Manhattan Gave Birth to Modern America
Book by Donald L. Miller. Read it when it first was released and then again just last week. It also is available in audiobook format.

I am looking it up on Book Depository now. I think this will me my next book to read. Thank you!

 

[Ola]

No way. Last year it was on display as clear as day. Whether Quinn lost the room or his messages weren’t getting thru to his players there was an apparent disconnect. There was even a difference in the Quinn rangers from last season to the year before, when he was still the coach.
The overall effort last year, or lack of urgency/poor preparation/bad coaching whatever you want to call it, was plain as day.
Some things were out of Quinn’s hands, mainly how the team was built, but he made his share of Gaffes and coaching blunders as well. Anyone that says that Quinn was all bad, or that there was no success under his time he is wrong. But it was clear by the end of last season his time here had run its course.
I’m also not surprised he doesn’t have a coaching job this year. He will likely get another shot by some team in the future, but it’s not like there were a lot of offers for him.
Numbers don’t always tell the truth. Example, kreider was statistically in the range for his normal season numbers wise, but he was dog shit for 80% of the year. Night and day to the impact he had on games just 1 year prior, even though the numbers were similar.
I can’t remember the last time I saw the rangers constantly come out with poor effortless starts as they did last year. Shesty masked a lot of them numbers wise, and others could have been uglier.
The overall effort just wasn’t there.. I commented on it in every GDT. You have to go back a long ways to see that kind of poor overall effort night in and night out, even against our biggest rivals.

The obvious problem with DQ was the he was clueless as to what worked in the NHL, what could be done, how things should be done and so forth.

Panarin and Zibanejad wasn’t the problem with this team in 19/20. They each had a season that ranked very very high among the best individual season ever by Rangers. DQs solution for 20/21 was focused on getting Ziba and Panarin to change how they played.

Did we as a team have issues? Definitely. Especially in 19/20 our transition game, breakouts from our own end, regularly killed us — because it was so inconsistent. So much improvements could have been made there, DQ instead reacted by trying to get the team to take away all attempts at controlled outlet passes that couldn’t be executed ASAP.

If you know what to look for, these things are clear as day. During that defensive no scoring stint we had just after TDA was kicked, you know in those situations where both teams are changing at the same time and like a D is fetching the puck in his end with zero pressure on him and the other team basically has 1 guy left while 4 is hopping on, when our D rush up ice to gain the redline to dump the puck in — instead of just waiting in his end for his teammates to come on — you know what the coaches order is (this was classing pre 05’ method to avoid getting killed by the trap).

Then when the top players completely stopped playing that way and DQ sat there saying that he wanted us to get back to it, you knew that things were really really bad.

I am sure there will be issues with Gallant too. But while he had a clear philosophy he has been around enough to understand what works and what don’t fairly well. How he handled Jagr and the top line in Florida speaks to that. No line in Vegas even remotely played like that line in Florida. Players are different. Howden should play one way, Panarin another.

 

[Boris Zubov]

13 minute mark - LAFFY! LAFFY! LAFFY!

Bruh...not this again.

 

[egelband]

Shesty: look at my new mask and this cool eagle
Kreids: it's not an eagle. It is a gargoyle off the Chrysler Building. I am a bit of an amateur historian in the off-season
Shesty: you serious?
Kreids: why would I lie to you, as your captain?
Shesty: shit! I wanted something from the Empire State Building!

This convo is in Russian, natch

 

[bobbop]

So i'm solely basing this on his few pressers and (my gut reaction) so far, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume the rumors about GG not being a big analytics guy are true. His casual approach and old school mindset make that kinda apparent imo.

Not a big deal for me as long as he gets results, just an observation about one of the potential digs I remember seeing leveled against him over the summer.

As a dye in the wool old school guy, I think this is great. The opposite of a dig in my book.

 

[egelband]

"You can learn to punch in the barn... but ya gotta learn to survive on the ice" -Youngblood Sr

Excellent movie, btw. Highly underrated.

 

[chosen]

Long range shots from the dmen on PP are bad shots.

Not if they're low and get through.

 

[egelband]

Yea, you could also just not spend a dime and wait for 20 other secondary outlets to report on the first tier outlet's reporting. I don't think anyone beyond the major outlets, some "citizen journos" and maybe on specific stories, some mid tier outlets, even send journalists to directly cover stories these days. Obviously it depends on the size and hype of the individual story. Or if it's national politics, they have their dedicated journalists at press briefings etc.. And in sports, some outlets still have their dedicated beat reporters, local talk radio stations, local papers etc..

And I absolutely think local press, beat reporters are still the best in terms of insight, especially regarding sports.

But the chain seems to go AP/Reuters and their equivalents ----> Major outlets whether they be Fox, CNN, NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, WSJ etc.. -----------> mid tier outlets like say Huff Post, DM, Youtubers, Breitbart, etc.... By the time a story comes off the ticker for AP/Reuters or in sports maybe ESPN and whomever, within say 12 hours, it's pretty much sent down the chain until the lower tier, small outlets start reporting on reporting of reporting.

The only real reason to pay as far as I can tell, is sometimes "nuance" which you might not get as much as it falls down the chain, or sometimes ultra "nuance" in those dissecting the original articles or information, or if you want that information right away within the first couple of hours.

I think of a paid subscription as digital-age tipping: ‘Thank you. Like you. Appreciate your effort. I wish you success.’

 

[NYR94]

He needs to call ya boy! Tutoring once a week and I'll have him rapping in English.

Three easy payments of $69.69!

Nice.

 

[Leonardo87]

Because when something potentially better comes along you give it a try. Unless you are winning the Stanley Cup every year or in this situation scoring on almost every power play there is always a chance something can be improved upon. How many fans thought Fox was better on the pp than Tony D last year before he was unceremoniously booted? With your type of thinking Fox should never been given an opportunity if Tony D was still on the team. The pp did well, maybe even great with Fox on it but that does not mean it could not be improved with someone else taking his place. The best pps are the ones with threats from everywhere. A player like Nils would add something Fox will likely never possess.

 

[chosen]

No way. Last year it was on display as clear as day. Whether Quinn lost the room or his messages weren’t getting thru to his players there was an apparent disconnect. There was even a difference in the Quinn rangers from last season to the year before, when he was still the coach.
The overall effort last year, or lack of urgency/poor preparation/bad coaching whatever you want to call it, was plain as day.
Some things were out of Quinn’s hands, mainly how the team was built, but he made his share of Gaffes and coaching blunders as well. Anyone that says that Quinn was all bad, or that there was no success under his time he is wrong. But it was clear by the end of last season his time here had run its course.
I’m also not surprised he doesn’t have a coaching job this year. He will likely get another shot by some team in the future, but it’s not like there were a lot of offers for him.
Numbers don’t always tell the truth. Example, kreider was statistically in the range for his normal season numbers wise, but he was dog shit for 80% of the year. Night and day to the impact he had on games just 1 year prior, even though the numbers were similar.
I can’t remember the last time I saw the rangers constantly come out with poor effortless starts as they did last year. Shesty masked a lot of them numbers wise, and others could have been uglier.
The overall effort just wasn’t there.. I commented on it in every GDT. You have to go back a long ways to see that kind of poor overall effort night in and night out, even against our biggest rivals.

Then there was the fact that his best goal scorer was rendered useless for half the season because of COVID. His best player was threatened by Putin and missed time, and of course the ADA debacle. Those things were of far greater impact than whatever you perceive of the coach.

 

[egelband]

I've been to 11 NHL arenas so far, and MSG always reminds me of an opera building. Fans sit down, and just wait to be entertained, which is weird growing up in a culture of supporting your team. Cheering even harder if you are down a goal, singing and chanting all game long.

That's just not a thing at MSG. It's a beautiful arena though.

MSG used to be that way. When I was going in the early 90s it was a real participatory event. Always came home exhausted.

 

[chosen]

Quinn lost the room. Nothing more to argue here about him.

When I read assertions like this I marvel at the lack of evidence to support it. It's made up out of thin air unless perhaps I missed the evidence made public about this.

 

[dshea19]

MSG used to be that way. When I was going in the early 90s it was a real participatory event. Always came home exhausted.

The regular fans are priced out of MSG. Only corporate dudes staring at their phones can consistently afford to go to games.

 

[Kords]

When I read assertions like this I marvel at the lack of evidence to support it. It's made up out of thin air unless perhaps I missed the evidence made public about this.

Lmao, this dudes "marveling" over this....

 

[SA16]

They looked overall worse and more disinterested. I don’t care if the numbers make it look normal. That should be apparent to any real fan watching the game, unless they were the Quinnettes, where nothing was wrong with Quinn at all

So the numbers were normal but they were bad because you say they were bad. This is what we call unrealistic expectations.

 

[RGY]

So the numbers were normal but they were bad because you say they were bad. This is what we call unrealistic expectations.

Please don’t be so robotic by being a slave to the numbers. Please take into account some context and actual on ice play. That would help.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

AHaha what a story, Mark

And I love Lisa so much