GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

[SA16]

Because when something potentially better comes along you give it a try. Unless you are winning the Stanley Cup every year or in this situation scoring on almost every power play there is always a chance something can be improved upon. How many fans thought Fox was better on the pp than Tony D last year before he was unceremoniously booted? With your type of thinking Fox should never been given an opportunity if Tony D was still on the team. The pp did well, maybe even great with Fox on it but that does not mean it could not be improved with someone else taking his place. The best pps are the ones with threats from everywhere. A player like Nils would add something Fox will likely never possess.

Or it'll make the PP worse when Nils starts taking shots from the point instead of passing to Mika/Panarin who are the biggest scoring threads. Long range shots from the dmen on PP are bad shots.

 

[RGY]

How will you be able to quantify Gallant's effectiveness?

I think you have it backwards. If some coaches were great, they are the ones who would have lifetime contracts.

I guess Gallant won’t get credit if this team does succeed moving forward? Ridiculous.

But to your question, I already sorta touched on how he will be measured. And that is consistency. In fact I think the proper word is PREPARATION. That alone will be a good measuring stick. Over the last 3 years under Quinn, his teams constantly did not show up ready to play. They looked almost disinterested or as if the game they were playing that night was surprisingly added to the schedule last minute. It was the whole team too, veterans, rookies, everyone. It was pathetic. And it was not respectable. I was ashamed of those teams. They also could not find a way to hold onto leads. You can point to “inexperience” but I point to poor coaching, not getting your players to buy in. It was also poor personnel choices in-game. Piss poor ice time distribution. The length of leash some had over others even though they were not deserving.

Gallant, his experience and success (even if it wasn’t a Cup) is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jacob Trouba Media Availability.

 

[duhmetreE]

In terms of overall fan experience?

1. Bridgestone Arena (NSH)
2. T-Mobile Arena (VEG)
3. Amalie Arena (TBL)
4. Saddledome (CGY)
5. Rogers Arena (VAN)
6. American Airlines Center (DAL)
7. Wells Fargo Center (PHI)
8. Prudential Center (NJD)
9. Gila River Arena (ARI)
10. Madison Square Garden (NYR)
11. Keybank Arena (BUF)

Nashville better than Vegas and Tampa? That's bold. Maybe I should go to a Ranger game there

 

[cheech70]

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[PuckLuck3043]

I think the team will be better this year moreso because the kids are a year older, not so much that there is a new coach behind the bench

It will be a combination of a few things, another year of experience for the kids, more balanced and tougher lineup with the off season additions including Lundkvist, and a better coach.

 

[cheech70]

Jacob Trouba Media Availability.

I pick Reeves over Trouba 10 out of 10 times...can u have a 4th liner as captain??

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nashville better than Vegas and Tampa? That's bold. Maybe I should go to a Ranger game there

The top-3 is pretty close to be honest. But Nashville stands out to me because of the whole experience. The location of the arena is pretty great too, right next to Broadway.

 

[huerter]

Next do the list based on how easy it is to "be fortunate" to meet the players outside the arena.

 

[jay from jersey]

Curious how you know this and will be able to present evidence to support it.

Judging from past history on the way his teams are coached and the construction of our current roster, I’d say it’s a safe assumption.
For example, I don’t we’re going to see a Gallant coached rangers start out games terribly and lethargic 12-15 times in a row and look disinterested.
Right there, putting the team in a 1-0 sometimes 2-0 hole without great goaltending has a massive effect on the rest of the game.
It’s not that great of a mystery.
This team will also be more physical, which tends to bring out the more overall “ give a shit” factor on the ice.

 

[huerter]

Jacob Trouba Media Availability.

It's year 3, he's 27, and we've reached the point where his value comes from intangibles. Cised.

 

[jay from jersey]

This is Rangers!

I like it

 

[SA16]

Judging from past history on the way his teams are coached and the construction of our current roster, I’d say it’s a safe assumption.
For example, I don’t we’re going to see a Gallant coached rangers start out games terribly and lethargic 12-15 times in a row and look disinterested.
Right there, putting the team in a 1-0 sometimes 2-0 hole without great goaltending has a massive effect on the rest of the game.
It’s not that great of a mystery.
This team will also be more physical, which tends to bring out the more overall “ give a shit” factor on the ice.

Quinn coached teams didn't do that either. Fans just think they did because they watch all the games, the bad starts stick out, and they had it out for Quinn in the first place. I've already shown this numerically. The Rangers were no worse with how they started games than anyone else. In fact, from what I remember, the Islanders have been one of the worst in the league at this under Trotz.

 

[Do you want ants]

Nashville better than Vegas and Tampa? That's bold. Maybe I should go to a Ranger game there

Nashville is awesome. Better than Tampa in my opinion. Haven’t been to the Vegas one yet.

If you do go to a game in Nashville, get the Lexus Lounge access.

 

[egelband]

It was better before Gutkowski was shown the door, for those of us old enough to remember...

Do you know what Gutkowski is up to these days? He was really well-liked and respected.

 

[Machinehead]

Because when something potentially better comes along you give it a try. Unless you are winning the Stanley Cup every year or in this situation scoring on almost every power play there is always a chance something can be improved upon. How many fans thought Fox was better on the pp than Tony D last year before he was unceremoniously booted? With your type of thinking Fox should never been given an opportunity if Tony D was still on the team. The pp did well, maybe even great with Fox on it but that does not mean it could not be improved with someone else taking his place. The best pps are the ones with threats from everywhere. A player like Nils would add something Fox will likely never possess.

Ok, when we have the two best powerplay QB's in the league, let me know. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's my practical response: When Fox doesn't defend his reigning Norris Trophy title because his minutes don't compare, because he doesn't kill penalties, we'll all be looking at you.

When we win the Cup because he's playing 37 minutes in the playoffs and not breaking a sweat, I'll take it.

 

[jay from jersey]

Quinn coached teams didn't do that either. Fans just think they did because they watch all the games, the bad starts stick out, and they had it out for Quinn in the first place. I've already shown this numerically. The Rangers were no worse with how they started games than anyone else. In fact, from what I remember, the Islanders have been one of the worst in the league at this under Trotz.

No way. Last year it was on display as clear as day. Whether Quinn lost the room or his messages weren’t getting thru to his players there was an apparent disconnect. There was even a difference in the Quinn rangers from last season to the year before, when he was still the coach.
The overall effort last year, or lack of urgency/poor preparation/bad coaching whatever you want to call it, was plain as day.
Some things were out of Quinn’s hands, mainly how the team was built, but he made his share of Gaffes and coaching blunders as well. Anyone that says that Quinn was all bad, or that there was no success under his time he is wrong. But it was clear by the end of last season his time here had run its course.
I’m also not surprised he doesn’t have a coaching job this year. He will likely get another shot by some team in the future, but it’s not like there were a lot of offers for him.
Numbers don’t always tell the truth. Example, kreider was statistically in the range for his normal season numbers wise, but he was dog shit for 80% of the year. Night and day to the impact he had on games just 1 year prior, even though the numbers were similar.
I can’t remember the last time I saw the rangers constantly come out with poor effortless starts as they did last year. Shesty masked a lot of them numbers wise, and others could have been uglier.
The overall effort just wasn’t there.. I commented on it in every GDT. You have to go back a long ways to see that kind of poor overall effort night in and night out, even against our biggest rivals.

 

[Machinehead]

Y'all didn't want nice Machinehead anymore so you did this

 

[SA16]

No way. Last year it was on display as clear as day. Whether Quinn lost the room or his messages weren’t getting thru to his players there was an apparent disconnect. There was even a difference in the Quinn rangers from last season to the year before, when he was still the coach.
The overall effort last year, or lack of urgency/poor preparation/bad coaching whatever you want to call it, was plain as day.
Some things were out of Quinn’s hands, mainly how the team was built, but he made his share of Gaffes and coaching blunders as well. Anyone that says that Quinn was all bad, or that there was no success under his time he is wrong. But it was clear by the end of last season his time here had run its course.
I’m also not surprised he doesn’t have a coaching job this year. He will likely get another shot by some team in the future, but it’s not like there were a lot of offers for him.
Numbers don’t always tell the truth. Example, kreider was statistically in the range for his normal season numbers wise, but he was dog shit for 80% of the year. Night and day to the impact he had on games just 1 year prior, even though the numbers were similar.
I can’t remember the last time I saw the rangers constantly come out with poor effortless starts as they did last year. Shesty masked a lot of them numbers wise, and others could have been uglier.
The overall effort just wasn’t there.. I commented on it in every GDT. You have to go back a long ways to see that kind of poor overall effort night in and night out, even against our biggest rivals.

There is no "no way." The numbers are the numbers. The Rangers did not get off to slower starts than you would expect. That was defined as something like allowing a goal in the first 5 minutes.

 

[bobbop]

Yea, you could also just not spend a dime and wait for 20 other secondary outlets to report on the first tier outlet's reporting. I don't think anyone beyond the major outlets, some "citizen journos" and maybe on specific stories, some mid tier outlets, even send journalists to directly cover stories these days. Obviously it depends on the size and hype of the individual story. Or if it's national politics, they have their dedicated journalists at press briefings etc.. And in sports, some outlets still have their dedicated beat reporters, local talk radio stations, local papers etc..

And I absolutely think local press, beat reporters are still the best in terms of insight, especially regarding sports.

But the chain seems to go AP/Reuters and their equivalents ----> Major outlets whether they be Fox, CNN, NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, WSJ etc.. -----------> mid tier outlets like say Huff Post, DM, Youtubers, Breitbart, etc.... By the time a story comes off the ticker for AP/Reuters or in sports maybe ESPN and whomever, within say 12 hours, it's pretty much sent down the chain until the lower tier, small outlets start reporting on reporting of reporting.

The only real reason to pay as far as I can tell, is sometimes "nuance" which you might not get as much as it falls down the chain, or sometimes ultra "nuance" in those dissecting the original articles or information, or if you want that information right away within the first couple of hours.

You can get sports information from the AP but there news reporting is very slanted.

 

[bobbop]

In terms of overall fan experience?

1. Bridgestone Arena (NSH)
2. T-Mobile Arena (VEG)
3. Amalie Arena (TBL)
4. Saddledome (CGY)
5. Rogers Arena (VAN)
6. American Airlines Center (DAL)
7. Wells Fargo Center (PHI)
8. Prudential Center (NJD)
9. Gila River Arena (ARI)
10. Madison Square Garden (NYR)
11. Keybank Arena (BUF)

Having been to 24 NHL arenas and every barn on this list except Tampa, I rank Vegas, Minnesota and Nashville as the top places outside of MSG.

 

[jay from jersey]

There is no "no way." The numbers are the numbers. The Rangers did not get off to slower starts than you would expect. That was defined as something like allowing a goal in the first 5 minutes.

They looked overall worse and more disinterested. I don’t care if the numbers make it look normal. That should be apparent to any real fan watching the game, unless they were the Quinnettes, where nothing was wrong with Quinn at all

 

[tomobson]

Quinn lost the room. Nothing more to argue here about him.

 

[romba]

Big Brain: give Adam Norris no PP time he can play the entire 5 on 5 game

REALLY Big Brain: Play Adam Norris 3rd pair minutes and he’ll be fresh for the playoffs AND next season too