GDT: Training Camp: Oh, Hockey’s Back

[Machinehead]

The only penalty killer that actually matters is your goaltender.

NHL teams on the powerplay take 85% of the shots and score 90% of the goals during special teams play. The 31st ranked powerplay last year had an expected goals rate a full goal and a half better than the highest scoring team did at even strength.

It's largely a lost cause on defense. Your goaltender has to prevent PPGA. Forwards can have an impact but basically only by scoring a shorthanded goal. Defensemen on the PK are just standing there hoping a shot hits them.

We don't need Fox to do that and I would actively rather he didn't.

 

[EdJovanovski]

The only penalty killer that actually matters is your goaltender.

NHL teams on the powerplay take 85% of the shots and score 90% of the goals during special teams play. The 31st ranked powerplay last year had an expected goals rate a full goal and a half better than the highest scoring team did at even strength.

It's largely a lost cause on defense. Your goaltender has to prevent PPGA. Forwards can have an impact but basically only by scoring a shorthanded goal. Defensemen on the PK are just standing there hoping a shot hits them.

We don't need Fox to do that and I would actively rather he didn't.

Analytics are a hell of a drug

 

[Machinehead]

Analytics are a hell of a drug

Does the eye test say different? Does every single team not get absolutely feathered killing a penalty?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Does the eye test say different? Does every single team not get absolutely feathered killing a penalty?

Not when Buchnevich is on the ice they don't

 

[Atax]

I mean, I see nothing wrong with letting other defensemen handle the PK. Do you really want Fox laying out to block a shot from #8? Let Nemeth.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Did MSG seriously not do a training camp special this year? Do they even care hockey is back?

MSG: Minimal Shits Given

 

[RangerBoy]

I just read Carp’s article on Mika and I’ve got to wonder if he really wants to be here. I’m referring to Carp. To say he is mailing it in would be an insult to the post office.

I read the first sentence and immediately clicked < .

 

[LOFIN]

Makar is an outlier. Check the data and stop overthinking this. He's our best player.

First of all, I think many people could argue that Panarin is the best player. But let's disregard that. How does that affect special teams?

Fox shouldn't be on the PK if you ask me. You spare his legs so we get more offence out of him.

 

[Machinehead]

Not when Buchnevich is on the ice they don't

The Rangers had 20% of the goals, 20% of the shots, and 13% of the chances with Buchnevich killing penalties last year. That's elite.

But if you played a whole season with those shares, you would go like 9-73.

So if you replaced Buchnevich with a bad penalty killer, the needle wouldn't move much because it almost literally can't get worse.

The only player who can correct for being outplayed that badly is a goalie.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

He was worn down due to the injuries we had on the blueline. Looking at our d i dont think we have much option but to play him and trouba on the right side of the pk, unless we feel Nemeth can play there.

What injuries on the blueline? Didn't Trouba and Lindgren got hurt with only 4 games to play. Gallant will be smart with his minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

There's only two instances I can recall of skaters profoundly affecting PK performance and they happened a year apart.

14-15 when Rick Nash had the best penalty killing season since hockey was invented and the following year when Kevin Hayes and JT Miller decided to kill penalties by just...not doing that, f*** it.

Needless to say, they went in opposite directions.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Not when Buchnevich is on the ice they don't

And the Blues PK were already 7th ranked last season.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

The only penalty killer that actually matters is your goaltender.

Would Shesterkin have close to identical statistics on the PK if he played on Tampa Bay last season versus NJ? Or Vegas versus Philly?

The system and the personnel both play an important role. It’s not just the goalie. Look at our PK last season versus the year prior.

 

[SA16]

I wish, but The Athletic just cares about clicks/comments and Carp gets them. Dude has had a wildly engaged comments section for years.

That's not because of Carp. That's because he is the Rangers reporter.

 

[Ola]

Does the eye test say different? Does every single team not get absolutely feathered killing a penalty?

I think you make a good point.

I mean, there is definitely a difference in the skaters if you look at like say the three worst PKing teams in the league and the three best, right.

But in between, the marginals aren’t big. And in fact, the same goes for a huge portion of the PPs and 5 on 5 hockey. Ultimatly, you can get far in the regular season by not giving games away. Because if there is one constant in hockey, it’s that it’s easy to give a game away. It doesn’t take much. A team like Ottawa can start the season like 1-5-1, but when looking at the actual games, they are fairly close, small margins, much is self inflicted…

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Reaves has really grown on me.

Ill admit that I didnt want him to come here and he's proving me wrong, at least off the ice.

We'll see if hes got enough in the tank to prove it when the puck drops.

I'll bet you right now, first shift, instant fan favorite.

 

[haveandare]

Feeling real high on this season. Gallant will be a big improvement, added experience and grit to the lineup, Laf and Kakko due to break out, Fox at an elite level. Call me crazy but I’m optimistic

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Feeling real high on this season. Gallant will be a big improvement, added experience and grit to the lineup, Laf and Kakko due to break out, Fox at an elite level. Call me crazy but I’m optimistic

I'm with you, as should we all be. Playoffs 100%, then let's see how far we get.

Super talented veteran and young core. Right now is the time!

 

[Mac n Gs]

There's only two instances I can recall of skaters profoundly affecting PK performance and they happened a year apart.

14-15 when Rick Nash had the best penalty killing season since hockey was invented and the following year when Kevin Hayes and JT Miller decided to kill penalties by just...not doing that, f*** it.

Needless to say, they went in opposite directions.

Ah, the power kill. What a time to be alive

 

[rangers1314]

I'll bet you right now, first shift, instant fan favorite.

Well, I’d imagine his first shift will be…eventful

 

[Machinehead]

Would Shesterkin have close to identical statistics on the PK if he played on Tampa Bay last season versus NJ? Or Vegas versus Philly?

The system and the personnel both play an important role. It’s not just the goalie. Look at our PK last season versus the year prior.

Probably, yes.

 

[Machinehead]

I think you make a good point.

I mean, there is definitely a difference in the skaters if you look at like say the three worst PKing teams in the league and the three best, right.

But in between, the marginals aren’t big. And in fact, the same goes for a huge portion of the PPs and 5 on 5 hockey. Ultimatly, you can get far in the regular season by not giving games away. Because if there is one constant in hockey, it’s that it’s easy to give a game away. It doesn’t take much. A team like Ottawa can start the season like 1-5-1, but when looking at the actual games, they are fairly close, small margins, much is self inflicted…

Right, like I'm not saying there's no difference, but the margins are ridiculously small.

Every single team in the AHL would be better at even strength than the best NHL team shorthanded.

 

[pld459666]

Regarding Fox.

Replace his PK minutes with more ES and PP time

That would be nice

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Feeling real high on this season. Gallant will be a big improvement, added experience and grit to the lineup, Laf and Kakko due to break out, Fox at an elite level. Call me crazy but I’m optimistic

It’s literally impossible for this season to be as bad as last season, so I’m with you here!

 

[brakeyawself]

You know what else is so stupid? Complaining.

No one here is a professional sports journalist who "owes you" good Ranger camp info. As a matter of fact, no one here owes you a goddamned thing.

So either contribute and shape the discussions to something more in line with what you want or don't bother showing up.

Either way, quit yer bitchin'. It's boring.

I would just amend that a bit as most "professional sports journalists" obviously don't owe anyone "GOOD Ranger camp info. " Actually, I don't think any journalist anywhere today feels like they owe anything GOOD to anyone anywhere other than their bank account and the preservation of their institution.