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[kb]

I stopped reading afree ““new here” sorry, my lose im sure.

Malgin has played 192 NHL games and scored 60 points. When he was Robertson's age on a losing club.

Let the Marchment trade go.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

Sending Robertson down is a mistake, ride the momentum. His confidence is sky high, put him in the top six and don’t look back.

I don’t even believe a Malgin is a lock to get picked up, there are going to be a ton of NHL talent on waivers in the coming days. I think we’ve exaggerated a couple early preseason games against nothing competition, playing pond hockey, with him getting prime minutes. I’m not sold at all and Robertson has done everything asked of him and frankly outplayed Malgin straight up anyways.

Robertson has 1 more point than Malgin while playing the same minutes against nothing competition

This seems like the longest preseason of all time. Is it usually almost 2 and a half weeks? We started on Sept. 24 I think.

October 12th would be exactly 2 and a half weeks...

 

[aingefan]

accepting his fate?
for the record, it sure seems like it was the defensive play of our bottom 6 that was a bigger problem than their offensive play.

I’d say he under estimates by a line or so.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

accepting his fate?



for the record, it sure seems like it was the defensive play of our bottom 6 that was a bigger problem than their offensive play.

I think the issue was that the 4th line was bad across the board. They were outplayed at both ends of the ice and were not even bringing energy for a line which was designed to bring energy. That is simply not good enough.

Now they have finally learned that we need that 4th line to do something useful, and that will hopefully be a line which can be valuable at both ends.

 

[zeke]

I think the issue was that the 4th line was bad across the board. They were outplayed at both ends of the ice and were not even bringing energy for a line which was designed to bring energy. That is simply not good enough.

Now they have finally learned that we need that 4th line to do something useful, and that will hopefully be a line which can be valuable at both ends.

On paper it's as talented as a 4th line as youre gonna get, but Kase was injured, Spezza was toast, and Blackwell wasn't a center.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

On paper it's as talented as a 4th line as youre gonna get, but Kase was injured, Spezza was toast, and Blackwell wasn't a center.

Blackwell wasn't really that good in Toronto unfortunately. Spezza didn't do much at ES. Kase was fine, but it was not a 4th line that was performing well enough. Seemed like it didn't really have a purpose, and it was even worse when Simmonds and Clifford were on there.

Now, our 4th line has a purpose: Provide offense, especially when the PP is over, and provide special team value without sucking defensively.

 

[deprw]

It's funny here that people say they're unbiased and they talk about Swiss, Swiss league guy and say his nothing. We should already forgot that Marchment trade. We don't have to get biased or make decisions based on that. Malgin was basicly best forward in the Europe last year and has NHL pedigree even before that. Choice he made to go back was good for him. He played Europe trough as 1st line center in all situations. Would have been bubble player here playing 12 minute per game. Now he has experience of being the number one guy in the team, that is trusted and is also bearing the pressure.

Seems ready and will definitely get a two or three chances in the league before end of 2024. If not with us he will be like Barabanov and garner interest. No one knows his ceiling at the moment.

 

[Gallagbi]

Now, our 4th line has a purpose: Provide offense, especially when the PP is over, and provide special team value without sucking defensively.

There is a very good chance our 4th line is an offensive black hole when this team is healthy. It looks destined to be ZAR - Kampf - NAK

 

[29Potvin]

There is a very good chance our 4th line is an offensive black hole when this team is healthy. It looks destined to be ZAR - Kampf - NAK

I remember when we signed Kampf all the talk was about him being an offensive blackhole and look at what he did last season

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

There is a very good chance our 4th line is an offensive black hole when this team is healthy. It looks destined to be ZAR - Kampf - NAK

Kampf and NAK put up strong 3rd line numbers last season. ZAR has put up solid 4th line numbers his entire career. We don't need to worry about the 4th line. It's the 3rd line that worries me the most. That was a big part of why the Leafs lost the first round last season.

BUT

I think Knies and/or Robertson might be the solution to that this year.

 

[fahad203]

I think the issue was that the 4th line was bad across the board. They were outplayed at both ends of the ice and were not even bringing energy for a line which was designed to bring energy. That is simply not good enough.

Now they have finally learned that we need that 4th line to do something useful, and that will hopefully be a line which can be valuable at both ends.

That 4th line had no identity. It wasn't skilled enough to be a 4th liner like Tampas and it wasn't grindy enough to be anything like a traditional 4th liner
Simmer and Spezza together were disaster, they were so slow. You need one speedster who can chase, make like difficult for opponents D. Clifford does that when he plays, but he's also rather stupid at times

Kampf is a perfect 4th liner. Maybe he'll get around 5 goals, hustles a bit, has decent size. I don't know much about Kubel but to me he hasn't looked good

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Q: Who is this year's Brandon Kozun?

 

[Fogelhund]

Kampf and NAK put up strong 3rd line numbers last season. ZAR has put up solid 4th line numbers his entire career. We don't need to worry about the 4th line. It's the 3rd line that worries me the most. That was a big part of why the Leafs lost the first round last season.

BUT

I think Knies and/or Robertson might be the solution to that this year.

Why do people keep saying that the third line was a big reason we lost the first round? They were collectively +3. What is the expectation?

 

[ShameOnYouZidlicky]

Why do people keep saying that the third line was a big reason we lost the first round? They were collectively +3. What is the expectation?

1 Even Strength goal. 4 from TBL's 3rd line. Big difference in a 7 game series.

 

[zeke]

There is a very good chance our 4th line is an offensive black hole when this team is healthy. It looks destined to be ZAR - Kampf - NAK

Last 2yrs paces:

Kampf 7gls/23pts
NAK 10gls/23pts
ZAR 9gls/22pts

With no PP scoring there.

That should be an upgrade on what we had most of last year

EV:

Spezza 10gls/17pts pace
Blackwell 9gls/13pts pace
Simmonds 6gls/11pts pace
Clifford 4gls/11pts pace

Wasn't until the playoffs that we were healthy enough to push Kase down to the 4th line.

That's solid 4th line production really. Not a black hole like our goon lines used to be.

Colorado's 4th

NAK 12gls/26pts pace
O'Connor 8gls/24pts pace
Sturm 9gls/21pts pace
Cogliano 4gls/18pts pace
Helm 8gls/17pts pace


Even TB's good 4th line production looked much better because two of them played on the PP.

At evens:

Perry 13gls/32pts pace
Maroon 8gls/21pts pace
Bellemare 9gls/20pts pace

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If Tavares is ready, one of those guys has to come out though... but we can fit one in with Lilj on LTIR, and ZAR taking an $850k contract. Once Lilj and Tavares are back... we are going to have to make a trade.

Even just moving out Holl or Engvall out does the job. As would Kerfoot clearly. It seems one of the three is going to have to go, at some point this season, unless we run LTIR the whole time.

Who knows maybe Muzzy gets hurt for 10 games, then Mitch goes for 10 games and then Matty for 10 games etc etc etc .. I am not saying it is illegal or not .. but Tampa set da bar with kuch .. bottom line kuch did not play last 2 months of that regular season because Tampa did not want to make a stupid trade even thoug kuch was fine .. bottom line either tampa made a trade OR kuch had to sit those 2 months .. tampa choose to sit him .. da other issue is with da fans .. fans feel jipped like me who pay $11K per year for my 2 tickets as i can't see kuch play .. all because of Bettman/jacobs stupid cba .. it was probably unintentional but bottom line da fans get ripped off

 

[zoA]

I don’t understand why people want to lose Malgin for nothing. At least build up his production and trade him later in the season if there’s not a spot for him at that point. He’s clearly improved his game — it’s obvious he’s improved on the things that will make him effective at the NHL level. Right now there’s a possibility to have both Robertson and Malgin so we don’t need to pick just one.

This forum always suffers from needing to put a player down to boost another player up.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

 

[zeke]

This forum always suffers from needing to put a player down to boost another player up.

Frattin > Kadri

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t understand why people want to lose Malgin for nothing. At least build up his production and trade him later in the season if there’s not a spot for him at that point. He’s clearly improved his game — it’s obvious he’s improved on the things that will make him effective at the NHL level. Right now there’s a possibility to have both Robertson and Malgin so we don’t need to pick just one.

This forum always suffers from needing to put a player down to boost another player up.

Amen to that.

 

[crump]

Who knows maybe Muzzy gets hurt for 10 games, then Mitch goes for 10 games and then Matty for 10 games etc etc etc .. I am not saying it is illegal or not .. but Tampa set da bar with kuch .. bottom line kuch did not play last 2 months of that regular season because Tampa did not want to make a stupid trade even thoug kuch was fine .. bottom line either tampa made a trade OR kuch had to sit those 2 months .. tampa choose to sit him .. da other issue is with da fans .. fans feel jipped like me who pay $11K per year for my 2 tickets as i can't see kuch play .. all because of Bettman/jacobs stupid cba .. it was probably unintentional but bottom line da fans get ripped off

I feel your pain, actually not really, I wish I had an extra 11 k sitting around to pay for tickets, but we sort of want to make the playoffs though. I mean in a video game “Grand Theft Cap Friendly” we could randomly throw strategic players on LTIR, but da real life there are consequences for cap circumvention.

I’m sure Kucherov was indeed injured. Most times you’re trying to rehab important players back from injury as fast as possible. In all likelihood they looked at the standings at his possible reactivating time and saw they could really ensure a full recovery and take advantage of LTIR. Being out for months due to Hip surgery is not unheard of. If your breezing your way to the playoffs, why chance screwing up a surgery.

Time for another coffee.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I feel your pain, actually not really, I wish I had an extra 11 k sitting around to pay for tickets, but we sort of want to make the playoffs though. I mean in a video game “Grand Theft Cap Friendly” we could randomly throw strategic players on LTIR, but da real life there are consequences for cap circumvention.

I’m sure Kucherov was indeed injured. Most times you’re trying to rehab important players back from injury as fast as possible. In all likelihood they looked at the standings at his possible reactivating time and saw they could really ensure a full recovery and take advantage of LTIR. Being out for months due to Hip surgery is not unheard of. If your breezing your way to the playoffs, why chance screwing up a surgery.

Time for another coffee.

IIRC wasn't the issue that they spent a couple weeks assessing it and only went for surgery as soon as the recovery timeline was after the deadline? No one is saying the injury was faked over he was held out longer than he needed to be, the surgery was just timed around the cap moreso than being a pure 100% medical decision that happened to be at the perfect time.

There's obviously pressure on Kucherov to not screw his team over when waiting an extra week doing assessments borderline guarantees them a cup.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I feel your pain, actually not really, I wish I had an extra 11 k sitting around to pay for tickets, but we sort of want to make the playoffs though. I mean in a video game “Grand Theft Cap Friendly” we could randomly throw strategic players on LTIR, but da real life there are consequences for cap circumvention.

I’m sure Kucherov was indeed injured. Most times you’re trying to rehab important players back from injury as fast as possible. In all likelihood they looked at the standings at his possible reactivating time and saw they could really ensure a full recovery and take advantage of LTIR. Being out for months due to Hip surgery is not unheard of. If your breezing your way to the playoffs, why chance screwing up a surgery.

Time for another coffee.

Kuch was skating full out in March of that year at teams facility .. he skated with Stammer all da time .. it was a running joke among players .. it was a total and complete cap circumvention of da worst kind .. da only reason he did not paly was because Tampa had no CAP room to play him .. bettman and jacobs did NOTHING .. da league is a complete joke when when one of jacobs gang needs something .. but good news is da precedence was set .. and now until a new agreement is reached everyone will do it

 

[ACC1224]

Kuch was skating full out in March of that year at teams facility .. he skated with Stammer all da time .. it was a running joke among players .. it was a total and complete cap circumvention of da worst kind .. da only reason he did not paly was because Tampa had no CAP room to play him .. bettman and jacobs did NOTHING .. da league is a complete joke when when one of jacobs gang needs something .. but good news is da precedence was set .. and now until a new agreement is reached everyone will do it

What would be the motivation for Jacobs to help a Division rival?

 

[Fogelhund]

1 Even Strength goal. 4 from TBL's 3rd line. Big difference in a 7 game series.

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Engvall, on the ice for 4 goals for, 4 goals against
Mikheyev on the ice for 5 goals for, 4 against
Kampf on ice for 4 goals for, 2 against

That's even strength. When these three players were collectively on the ice, we scored more goals for, than against.