Training Camp continued

[29Potvin]

One of mete benn I assume

Any of the gray dudes at practice that are waiver eligible

Probably one of Simmonds Malgin

Picked up: maybe the D drop maybe Malgin

Can't see Simmonds going



How does that work short term if we can't ltir JT? Can we emergency call up someone?

My guess is Wayne's agent pulls a Speeza and says he will retire if claimed

 

[notbias]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Robertson has outplayed Malgin? I think they have been fairly even but am giving the edge to Malgin because he is a more complete player. They both look ready to me though.

I think Malgin has him beat everywhere except shot, I've been really impressed with Malgin on zone entries and his calmness with the puck, he has also been fairly good at puck retrieval.

I'd like to find space for both of them (would prefer to not sign ZAR and have Engvall play 4LW), but if we can only take one, I'd like to take Malgin at this point.

If we are signing ZAR, this is the time I wouldn't mind moving Kerfoot since we have a lot of internal options and some that need a scoring line.

On a side note, interesting to see Nylander remain at C, if he can transition there, I will be so happy, he drives play so well without elite linemates, we could have 3 deadly lines and the best C depth in the league by a mile.

 

[rocketman588]

My guess is Wayne's agent pulls a Speeza and says he will retire if claimed

That and I assume that the NHL would be less likely to f*** with him then they would be with a dzingle etc due to the old boys network

 

[LeafSteel]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Robertson has outplayed Malgin? I think they have been fairly even but am giving the edge to Malgin because he is a more complete player. They both look ready to me though.

I think Malgin has him beat everywhere except shot, I've been really impressed with Malgin on zone entries and his calmness with the puck, he has also been fairly good at puck retrieval.

I'd like to find space for both of them (would prefer to not sign ZAR and have Engvall play 4LW), but if we can only take one, I'd like to take Malgin at this point.

If we are signing ZAR, this is the time I wouldn't mind moving Kerfoot since we have a lot of internal options and some that need a scoring line.

On a side note, interesting to see Nylander remain at C, if he can transition there, I will be so happy, he drives play so well without elite linemates, we could have 3 deadly lines and the best C depth in the league by a mile.

You completely lost me here.

You think Malgin will be of more use in the playoffs than ZAR?

Vehemently disagree. ZAR gets signed. Malgin 50/50 finishes the season on the Leafs.

 

[notbias]

You completely lost me here.

You think Malgin will be of more use in the playoffs than ZAR?

Vehemently disagree. ZAR gets signed. Malgin 50/50 finishes the season on the Leafs.

Wasn't depth scoring an issue last playoffs?

Losing me here on wanting to keep a worse player with basically no scoring touch on the roster to solve depth-scoring issues.

If we don't sign ZAR it pushes Engvall to 4LW which would be a wash defensively and a big boost offensively.

The game of hockey does not change as much as some people think during the playoffs.

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't think they should operate like that. It's been pretty hard to get Robertson tuned to the right NHL frequency so the moment he shows some NHL level comfort, they shouldn't scrap the project and worry about waiver eligibility. A Robertson who finds his footing in the NHL is more important than a Adam Gaudette or whomever.

This 1000 percent. The kid is showing exactly what they hoped, why take a step back and lose the momentum over waivers. Also, can someone explain why they feel a rush of teams claim a Swiss league guy, especially when players are going to be available left and right? I just don’t the mentality some journeyman out fo the league is suddenly some hot commodity GM’s are itching to see us part with? Seems like preseason over emphasis once again. I mean sure, he could get picked up, but I’m not messing with a Robertson to stop it.

Malgin nation, who knew.

 

[LeafSteel]

Wasn't depth scoring an issue last playoffs?

Losing me here on wanting to keep a worse player with basically no scoring touch on the roster to solve depth-scoring issues.

If we don't sign ZAR it pushes Engvall to 4LW which would be a wash defensively and a big boost offensively.

The game of hockey does not change as much as some people think during the playoffs.

We will disagree.

What Malgin shows in preseason against the worst team in hockeys AHL squad does nothing to tell me he will be of any use in the regular season against full NHL calibre squads and I think he is poorly suited for playoff hockey, where ice disappears and it’s a grind to gain inches.

Our perceptions of what Malgin had demonstrated thus far and what playoff hockey actually is are very different.

You seem prepared to let a physical proven player in ZAR go for nothing , to keep Malgin, who thus far has not proven anything in his career and has been unable to solidify himself on any NHL roster to this point.

I go with the player with the track record and the guy who ups our pathetic physical play any day over all of the “ifs” that Malgin has yet to answer.

 

[notbias]

This 1000 percent. The kid is showing exactly what they hoped, why take a step back and lose the momentum over waivers. Also, can someone explain why they feel a rush of teams claim a Swiss league guy, especially when players are going to be available left and right? I just don’t the mentality some journeyman out fo the league is suddenly some hot commodity GM’s are itching to see us part with? Seems like preseason over emphasis once again. I mean sure, he could get picked up, but I’m not messing with a Robertson to stop it.

Malgin nation, who knew.

The Swiss league guy is 25, and has put up some really good numbers, and has outperformed current NHLers in tournaments.

If he signed as a UFA out of the league, we'd be super happy and there would be a lot of hype.

I just think in viewings he is a better player than Robertson, Robertson is just viewed much higher because he has that shot and is a prospect.

I think Malgin 100% gets claimed.

 

[notbias]

We will disagree.

What Malgin shows in preseason against the worst team in hockeys AHL squad does nothing to tell me he will be of any use in the regular season against full NHL calibre squads and I think he is poorly suited for playoff hockey, where ice disappears and it’s a grind to gain inches.

Our perceptions of what Malvinas demonstrated this far and what playoff hockey actually is are very different.

You seem prepared to let a physical proven player in ZAR go for nothing , to keep Malgin, who this far has not proven anything in his career and has unable to solidify himself on any NHL roster thus far.

I go with the player with the track record and the guy who ups our pathetic physical play any day over all of the “ifs” that Malgin has yet to answer.

We will definitely disagree.

I'd like the best roster, not the most physical one.

Not sure ZAR is the answer to our playoff troubles, Malgin is the type of player that allows more space for our superstars, and Engvall replacing ZAR on the 4th line I think would make that line much more difficult to play against as you now have to worry about them a little offensively.

Just to point out, I don't mind ZAR on the team and think he is useful, just not sold that it is better to have him over some other players.

 

[zeke]

accepting his fate?

We will definitely disagree.

I'd like the best roster, not the most physical one.

Not sure ZAR is the answer to our playoff troubles, Malgin is the type of player that allows more space for our superstars, and Engvall replacing ZAR on the 4th line I think would make that line much more difficult to play against as you now have to worry about them a little offensively.

Just to point out, I don't mind ZAR on the team and think he is useful, just not sold that it is better to have him over some other players.

for the record, it sure seems like it was the defensive play of our bottom 6 that was a bigger problem than their offensive play.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Weird no televised Saturday night game this weekend, I guess because of baseball playoffs not sure.

 

[francis246]

If Tavares can’t start the regular season, there’s two spots. One for Robertson and the other for Malgin.

Technically no because of our cap situation. We will only be able to carry 20 players. 21 if we are lucky. Tavares will go on IR but we will still carry his cap hit as it will count towards the cap. I think they will be able to get cap compliant and carry 20. But it’s very likely we have to play game 1 with 19 skaters.

 

[LeafSteel]

We will definitely disagree.

I'd like the best roster, not the most physical one.

Not sure ZAR is the answer to our playoff troubles, Malgin is the type of player that allows more space for our superstars, and Engvall replacing ZAR on the 4th line I think would make that line much more difficult to play against as you now have to worry about them a little offensively.

Just to point out, I don't mind ZAR on the team and think he is useful, just not sold that it is better to have him over some other players.

ZAR is perfectly suited for possession hockey. Thus far, our 4th line of ZAR, Kampf, and NAK have been very strong is forechecking and keeping play in the offensive zone while not being a liability in their own zone.

We finally have a 4th line that is physical and not a liability. ZAR fits a need and is something we don’t have enough of in our pipeline.

Malgin is an easily expendable player who I’m not worried about losing, as he is easily replaced by the guys fighting to make the team. A 20 year old Robertson has beaten him out, has a significantly higher ceiling, and represents the more important long term development piece. Malgin is simply not a long term player on this team and at 25, he is what he is: a tweener.

100% ZAR gets picked up if we don’t sign him.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Also, can someone explain why they feel a rush of teams claim a Swiss league guy, especially when players are going to be available left and right? I just don’t the mentality some journeyman out fo the league is suddenly some hot commodity GM’s are itching to see us part with?

Are you new here? We've had more players claimed on waivers than any other team by some distance. There is so much attention on us that some teams are going to have favourable opinions on basically all our guys. We can't even sneak a scrub like Adam Brooks through, Malgin has far more upside than a lot of the guys we've lost. Other teams definitely would have signed him after the World Championships if he was a free agent and all he's done is impress in the preseason since that point.

 

[DarkKnight]

Are you new here? We've had more players claimed on waivers than any other team by some distance. There is so much attention on us that some teams are going to have favourable opinions on basically all our guys. We can't even sneak a scrub like Adam Brooks through, Malgin has far more upside than a lot of the guys we've lost. Other teams definitely would have signed him after the World Championships if he was a free agent and all he's done is impress in the preseason since that point.

I stopped reading afree ““new here” sorry, my lose im sure.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don’t think Simmonds is on opening night roster.
ZAR will be sign before that.
Malgin and Robertson will be fighting for the same spot. And Malgin will be claim if he goes to waiver.

 

[Fogelhund]

Technically no because of our cap situation. We will only be able to carry 20 players. 21 if we are lucky. Tavares will go on IR but we will still carry his cap hit as it will count towards the cap. I think they will be able to get cap compliant and carry 20. But it’s very likely we have to play game 1 with 19 skaters.

If Liljegren starts on LTIR, and ZAR signs for $850k and under, we can carry 19 players...

 

[TheDoldrums]

I stopped reading afree ““new here” sorry, my lose im sure.

no you didn't but thats fine

 

[Golden_Jet]

If Liljegren starts on LTIR, and ZAR signs for $850k and under, we can carry 19 players...

Need to play a game with 20 before can go to 19 I believe,
Also I think salary has to be less than 1 million.

 

[francis246]

If Liljegren starts on LTIR, and ZAR signs for $850k and under, we can carry 19 players...

Exactly, it’s very unlikely both Robertson and Malgin make the team without a trade. Both are more likely not on the team day 1 without a trade

 

[Marmoset]

I don’t think Simmonds is on opening night roster.
ZAR will be sign before that.
Malgin and Robertson will be fighting for the same spot. And Malgin will be claim if he goes to waiver.

He shouldn't be. The Leafs need to stop keeping/playing vets who are close to done because of reputation or how they are 'in the room'. I think Spezza late last season was perhaps a reasonable exception, but I don't think a vet being out there who clearly doesn't look like he belongs is helpful. We've been there with Thrornton, Marleau, etc. already and Simmons is just the latest one.

I hate it because I've been a big fan of his, but I never understood giving him the contract when he already looked like he's "done". He is definitely not worth holding onto if it costs us a better player on waivers or having to send down a guy like Robertson.

 

[thinkblue]

 

[stickty111]

 

[notbias]

Will be watching for line 1, 1st pairing D, and Samsonov... will have to outwork Detroit if they ice anything close to an NHL roster.

 

[zeke]

Cool. All the bubble boys.

With 2 forward spots and 1 dman spot still open for the next night - likely Sandin, Robertson, and one of holmberg/malgin.