Training Camp continued

[DragoGrizzly]

I think some roster moves will be made.

It beats me what they might be, but I agree that the Leafs give every impression that ZAR is on the team.

Especially with Nylander’s stumble in his interview yesterday “he’ll be a great add….Uhh i don’t know what’s gonna happen…yeah he’s looked really good”

 

[TheDoldrums]

CJ says its hard to imagine there's room for both Robertson and Malgin, adding that the team would be reluctant to send Simmonds down.

I can already see Malgin being claimed and finding success elsewhere lol

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

CJ says its hard to imagine there's room for both Robertson and Malgin, adding that the team would be reluctant to send Simmonds down.

I can already see Malgin being claimed and finding success elsewhere lol

The next Barabanov situation, for sure.

 

[justashadowof]

Aston-Reese and the Leafs probably already have a contract ready to sign, date and submit to the league. I fail to see how this contravenes any rules since he is on a professional tryout with the team after all.

 

[kb]

The next Barabanov situation, for sure.

But probably better....

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

I think they have no choice but to put Malgin on team to begun if they want to see if he can stick. He's average at everything kerfoot and Robertson is personally best at and hasn't shown enough for us to go with a soft scoring oriented third line. I don't know why team like Leafs would even need to consider having one when GF is not an issue and GA was. This team is setup in a way that traditional top 6 bottom 6 works very well. Goalie or defence issue, it doesn't matter to figure out which one was wrong, a hard to play against defensive 3rd line will help the GA be lower than last season more than a scoring 3rd line with malgin.

So why I say he needs to make team is because these opponents in pre season are no good to see if he got better. Dubas like Malgin a lot because you can give him puck in dzone and he can carry it into ozone without issue for you. He couldn't stick last time because he was lost on the ice otherwise.

To actually see if he improved at the NHL level you have to start him when season begins. You can't base on pre season where you already know without watching games he will put up points in his role against these teams. Need to see if he still gets lost when teams have their systems in place. ***Doing what you expected him to do can be seen as him passing round 1. Round 2 is now NHL games when season starts then you decide

If he did improve in that aspect Robertson no longer has a clear lead for the top 6 role

 

[Shooter2x]

***Doing what you expected him to do can be seen as him passing round 1. Round 2 is now NHL games when season starts then you decide

Fair. I'm team Gary Robertson but when someone lays down a Malgin blueprint without the need to ensure they include personal digs at others for not putting him on the team, it's much easier to see the reasoning and start endorsing Malgin over the guys you targeted as favorites.

If Malgin can feed possession for JT and Nylander, something Kerfoot isn't that good at (Kerfoot is more of a, "oh look there's open space, time to turn on the jets then pass the puck" kind of guy) then the points ceiling for JT and Nylander just increased by another 5 or so.

After further thought I am now a bit more scared to lose Malgin without giving him the NHL shot first. He doesn't need to be more than average in everything else if he can hit his possession ceiling (due to being at the left wing slot beside JT and Nylander)

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Fair. I'm team Gary Robertson but when someone lays down a Malgin blueprint without the need to ensure they include personal digs at others for not putting him on the team, it's much easier to see the reasoning and start endorsing Malgin over the guys you targeted as favorites.

If Malgin can feed possession for JT and Nylander, something Kerfoot isn't that good at (Kerfoot is more of a, "oh look there's open space, time to turn on the jets then pass the puck" kind of guy) then the points ceiling for JT and Nylander just increased by another 5 or so.

After further thought I am now a bit more scared to lose Malgin without giving him the NHL shot first. He doesn't need to be more than average in everything else if he can hit his possession ceiling (due to being at the left wing slot beside JT and Nylander)

Yes instead of the constant second left wing can get 20 goals in top 6, why not flip it to getting JT and Nylander both closer to 40. That's even better. 2LW only needs to hit 10-15 goals then (and maybe does get 20), so Robertson shot no longer is a tie breaker if you feel more confident JT and Nylander can get to the 40 mark with someone else. Robertson isn't my first choice for that, he's my first choice if you want extra goals to come from second left wing itself.

Give Malgin a look there not a big deal. Tryouts that extend into regular season is common.

 

[ToneDog]

IMO if Malgin is somebody you want to keep and do not want to expose him through the waiver wire, give him a shot since IIRC Robertson does not need to go through waivers. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, Robertson is just down the road.

As far as Engvall goes, you can't replace him with another small, skilled forward. We got too many of those already.

 

[Shooter2x]

Yes instead of the constant second left wing can get 20 goals in top 6, why not flip it to getting JT and Nylander both closer to 40. That's even better. 2LW only needs to hit 10-15 goals then (and maybe does get 20), so Robertson shot no longer is a tie breaker if you feel more confident JT and Nylander can get to the 40 mark with someone else. Robertson isn't my first choice for that, he's my first choice if you want extra goals to come from second left wing itself.

Give Malgin a look there not a big deal. Tryouts that extend into regular season is common.

It actually is really reckless and horrible asset management to not extend Malgin into the regular season since waiver situations allow it. You are completely right about the potential ceiling for the second line we need to continue exploring.

I'm sold. Team Malgin increases by 1 for now.

 

[Fogelhund]

IMO if Malgin is somebody you want to keep and do not want to expose him through the waiver wire, give him a shot since IIRC Robertson does not need to go through waivers. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, Robertson is just down the road.

As far as Engvall goes, you can't replace him with another small, skilled forward. We got too many of those already.

There is also room for both of them, at least until Tavares returns.

 

[Shooter2x]

IMO if Malgin is somebody you want to keep and do not want to expose him through the waiver wire, give him a shot since IIRC Robertson does not need to go through waivers. If he succeeds, great. If he fails, Robertson is just down the road.

As far as Engvall goes, you can't replace him with another small, skilled forward. We got too many of those already.

In-house, Engvall makes the team for sure over these guys for the bottom 6. That rukus yesterday only started because there were some trade ideas on previous pages that were trading for top quality depth and I really liked the ideas some of these posters had, so then it occurred to me that if we are going to have players at a certain amount of equivalent minutes as the core guys in certain situations, however it may be these situations arise, it would be more preferable if that player was a bona fide "start and never have to think about them again" depth player. Then two other posters got into big beef after this post over Engvall

Hope that concludes yesterdays drama.

 

[Apex Predator]

Send Robertson to the minors to start and give Malgin a look to see how he does in NHL season games. If he keeps playing good than great problem to have. If he plays bad call up Robertson.

 

[ToneDog]

There is also room for both of them, at least until Tavares returns.

Yup and it gives you a better sample size to decide what to do when JT returns.

 

[ACC1224]

Send Robertson to the minors to start and give Malgin a look to see how he does in NHL season games. If he keeps playing good than great problem to have. If he plays bad call up Robertson.

Yeah, they'll give Malgin every opportunity to stick and he's certainly earned an extended look.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

There is also room for both of them, at least until Tavares returns.

Where I go my own path on Malgin is I don't like the team build with dressing both.

Based on last season I prefer only one, since we know this team can score in bunches already. Then a very hard to play against 3rd line. But I mean if Malgin ends up bringing shut down play out of no where obviously yeah then both.

 

[ToneDog]

Where I go my own path on Malgin is I don't like the team build with dressing both.

Based on last season I prefer only one, since we know this team can score in bunches already. Then a very hard to play against 3rd line. But I mean if Malgin ends up bringing shut down play out of no where obviously yeah then both.

100% but hopefully it is only for 5 games max (@Scabs, Caps, Sens, Zona, Dallas).

 

[Advanced stats]

If I was Robertson and put up 7 points in 3 games, and then got sent to the Marlies, I'd be devestated and pissed off. And not in a good way.

He's clearly done everything and more to earn a spot, give the man a chance.
Matthews
Marner
Bunting


Tavares
Nylander
Rob

Malgin
Kerfoot
Janrock

Kampf
Zar
Nak

Simmonds.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If Muzzin is put on LTIR...TOR can keep everyone.

Perhaps...

 

[1specter]

Man is Malgin a controversial topic around here lmao. I will say, he looks different from before, I don't think he's just a soft offensive-minded guy anymore, he's been far more tenacious on the puck and digging in the corners than before. You don't have to be a big bruiser if you can maintain a high work rate and effort on both ends of the ice, and if he plays like that he'll be fine even in a third line role. Of course, when the team is fully healthy there will be some decisions that will have to be made, but I think he's at least earned a fair look.

 

[ACC1224]

Man is Malgin a controversial topic around here lmao. I will say, he looks different from before, I don't think he's just a soft offensive-minded guy anymore, he's been far more tenacious on the puck and digging in the corners than before. You don't have to be a big bruiser if you can maintain a high work rate and effort on both ends of the ice, and if he plays like that he'll be fine even in a third line role. Of course, when the team is fully healthy there will be some decisions that will have to be made, but I think he's at least earned a fair look.

I don't see it as controversial. Seems pretty much everyone thinks he deserves a chance.

 

[hockeynorth]

with JT hurt i want us to start with this:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Malgin - Jarnkrok - Nylander
Robertson - Kerfoot - Engvall
Reese - Kampf - Kubel

Decide who sticks when JT is healthy based on who plays the best. Only reason I prefer Jarnkrok at 2C is he is more similar to an experienced Holmberg.

 

[29Potvin]

If I was Robertson and put up 7 points in 3 games, and then got sent to the Marlies, I'd be devestated and pissed off. And not in a good way.

He's clearly done everything and more to earn a spot, give the man a chance.
Matthews
Marner
Bunting


Tavares
Nylander
Rob

Malgin
Kerfoot
Janrock

Kampf
Zar
Nak

Simmonds.

I'm sure that it would be a paper transaction and that he is well aware of the current situation.
The management team would defiantly meet with him an layout how they are going to get him into the lineup.
This isn't a straight he's better than you or we don't believe you are ready yet.

 

[rocketman588]

CJ says its hard to imagine there's room for both Robertson and Malgin, adding that the team would be reluctant to send Simmonds down.

I can already see Malgin being claimed and finding success elsewhere lol

Why would they be reluctant to send Wayne down?

The others have smaller contracts and he's past his best

 

[ACC1224]

I'm sure that it would be a paper transaction and that he is well aware of the current situation.
The management team would defiantly meet with him an layout how they are going to get him into the lineup.
This isn't a straight he's better than you or we don't believe you are ready yet.

Yeah he'll get it. Part of being a young PA member. Waiver rules will most likely help him at some point in his career.