GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

[Oscar Lindberg]

Do not like Tarmo on the right side

Aren't the boys having a team scrimmage right now? I guess we aren't getting any coverage? Glad we got to see them skipping around though.

They’re not letting anyone into the building so I wouldn’t put much effort into covering it either if I was a writer lol

I crap on our beats all the time but the Rangers setting up a crappy web cam and broadcasting it over zoom is pathetic

 

[GAGLine]

Dom on the Athletic posted his Rangers preview. It's about what I expected, though I found this interesting:

The crazy thing about Panarin is that most stats simply don’t do his impact justice. There’s a clear line between his on-ice results and how much influence he has on them, always grading out incredibly when it comes to tracked micro-stats. The two most impressive stem from his passing ability. Only two players, Patrick Kane and Crosby, completed more high danger passes per 60 than Panarin last season. Only one player, Evgeni Malkin, made a pass on a higher percentage of controlled zone entries than Panarin last season. Both are qualities that make a play far more dangerous and Panarin has a particular mastery over it. It really rubbed off on Strome too and it’s why that line was so effective. Strome was second on the team in both categories and his high danger passing rate also landed in the league’s top 10. The Rangers were the only team with two players that high.

So maybe it's not all Panarin, as some suggest.

 

[TominNC]

I know we have question marks and play in a tough division, but why is not one expecting anything? We were a bubble team last year and added a top prospect and didn't lose too much. Our goal should be playoffs no questions asked.

Because last year there were WC spots. And you gave the answer. We have question marks and play in a tough division. To have expectations is to be disappointed when they fall short. Other than a complete collapse and no development from the younger guys there should be hope and enjoyment. But to EXPECT a playoff spot is to set yourself up.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Do not like Tarmo on the right side


They’re not letting anyone into the building so I wouldn’t put much effort into covering it either if I was a writer lol

I crap on our beats all the time but the Rangers setting up a crappy web cam and broadcasting it over zoom is pathetic

You got the Zoom link?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You got the Zoom link?

No it’s not a public zoom link. Only writers have it, Vince (bless his heart) has been taking photos of the screen to show what’s been happening

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Because last year there were WC spots. And you gave the answer. We have question marks and play in a tough division. To have expectations is to be disappointed when they fall short. Other than a complete collapse and no development from the younger guys there should be hope and enjoyment. But to EXPECT a playoff spot is to set yourself up.

I said we were a bubble team, not a playoff team. To me "no expectations" means expecting not to make it rather than not expecting to make it.

 

[Raspewtin]

just gonna leave this quote from Dom's season preview

"In New York, there’s a lot to love. A lot. It’s very easy to see this team become a league super-power sooner rather than later. But there’s also a lot to hate, making it somewhat difficult to see the Rangers really take that next step for this upcoming season. Neither scenario would be a surprise, but the stark difference creates plenty to debate regarding how good the Rangers will be next season."

 

[True Blue]

just gonna leave this quote from Dom's season preview

"In New York, there’s a lot to love. A lot. It’s very easy to see this team become a league super-power sooner rather than later. But there’s also a lot to hate, making it somewhat difficult to see the Rangers really take that next step for this upcoming season. Neither scenario would be a surprise, but the stark difference creates plenty to debate regarding how good the Rangers will be next season."

As always, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[SA16]

The Rangers have like the highest variance projection in the league with huge amounts of uncertainty on many of the key players.

 

[Kovalev27]

I know we have question marks and play in a tough division, but why is not one expecting anything? We were a bubble team last year and added a top prospect and didn't lose too much. Our goal should be playoffs no questions asked.

Oh I think shesterkin alone gets us in. If we miss it won’t be by much. That’s my opinion

 

[SnowblindNYR]

just gonna leave this quote from Dom's season preview

"In New York, there’s a lot to love. A lot. It’s very easy to see this team become a league super-power sooner rather than later. But there’s also a lot to hate, making it somewhat difficult to see the Rangers really take that next step for this upcoming season. Neither scenario would be a surprise, but the stark difference creates plenty to debate regarding how good the Rangers will be next season."

Questionable 2 C, youth, and LD. Is that really THAT much to hate? And the first one is a stretch because Strome is good albeit not great.

 

[Mikos87]

Rangers posted video of LAF doing the same standing jump exercise that they showed Kreider doing...

All I have to say is that Kreider is a beast.



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Kreider's gotta go shirtless, should easily drive higher levels of engagement from the fans. I know he came into camp a little lighter, but great to see the lower body in tier 1 prime shape. Tells me that they focused on losing weight in different parts of the body while maintaining power in their lower bodies.

Skating isn't a natural motion for humans, glutes, adductors, the tendons on your feet, calves... those muscles are being asking to maneuver in ways that are very different from walking.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The front office is banking on younger players to take a step forward.

If they do, the team will be contending for a playoff spot. If they don’t we’ll be in the lottery again

I’m sure the front office is secretly hoping to make the playoffs but this was always going to be a transition year. You can’t properly build a contender with damn near 15 million dollars in dead cap space. It’s just not realistic

 

[Raspewtin]

Questionable 2 C, youth, and LD. Is that really THAT much to hate? And the first one is a stretch because Strome is good albeit not great.

dom's projection has Smith and Johnson as regulars who are basically two of the worst players in hockey

dom's model is not in love with Shesterkin because of sample size (but he fully admits that the model isn't good for goalies and should be taken the most lightly)

it has the Rangers with 5 (!!!) below replacement level players (Howden, Kakko, Gauthier which is of course skewed by him playing like 10 games total, Smith, Johnson). Teams with that many replacement level players don't make the playoffs.

the model also doesn't think highly of Chytil but he also admits Chytil is improving and was likely victimized by horrible linemates

the Rangers need at least 2 players to decisively beat their projections (Kakko and Gaut) and the others to be replaced. and that's a lot to ask even with all the optimism.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Jack Johnson scored the first goal in the scrimmage!! Phil Di Giuseppe the other. Scrim ended 1-1.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

dom's projection has Smith and Johnson as regulars who are basically two of the worst players in hockey

dom's model is not in love with Shesterkin because of sample size (but he fully admits that the model isn't good for goalies and should be taken the most lightly)

it has the Rangers with 5 (!!!) below replacement level players (Howden, Kakko, Gauthier which is of course skewed by him playing like 10 games total, Smith, Johnson). Teams with that many replacement level players don't make the playoffs.

the model also doesn't think highly of Chytil but he also admits Chytil is improving and was likely victimized by horrible linemates

the Rangers need at least 2 players to decisively beat their projections (Kakko and Gaut) and the others to be replaced. and that's a lot to ask even with all the optimism.

Extrapolating from Kakko's 18 year old season is laughable. Also, docking Shesterkin for a small sample size when it was beyond his control is a joke.

 

[Raspewtin]

Extrapolating from Kakko's 18 year old season is laughable. Also, docking Shesterkin for a small sample size when it was beyond his control is a joke.

well the model only counts NHL experience once you hit the NHL. someone somewhere was gonna get dinged for it.

Adam Fox is already in the quite exclusive "elite" tier of the model with only one year. Like I said, it benefits some and hurts others, and he goes out of his way to make sure you know that's how the model counts it.

 

[Mikos87]

Dom on the Athletic posted his Rangers preview. It's about what I expected, though I found this interesting:



So maybe it's not all Panarin, as some suggest.

I would add Fox and DeAngelo to that equation. Dom's got access to better data.

 

[Levitate]

Extrapolating from Kakko's 18 year old season is laughable. Also, docking Shesterkin for a small sample size when it was beyond his control is a joke.

Yeah honestly some of the analytics stuff when projecting young players makes me...nervous? I dunno, I don't like the "well this 18 year old didn't do well so he's probably f***ed time to move on" feeling I get from some of these analysis.

 

[bleedblue94]

Jack Johnson scored the first goal in the scrimmage!! Phil Di Giuseppe the other. Scrim ended 1-1.

remember when marc staal scored our first goal of the season on a wrap around, good times...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

dom's projection has Smith and Johnson as regulars who are basically two of the worst players in hockey

dom's model is not in love with Shesterkin because of sample size (but he fully admits that the model isn't good for goalies and should be taken the most lightly)

it has the Rangers with 5 (!!!) below replacement level players (Howden, Kakko, Gauthier which is of course skewed by him playing like 10 games total, Smith, Johnson). Teams with that many replacement level players don't make the playoffs.

the model also doesn't think highly of Chytil but he also admits Chytil is improving and was likely victimized by horrible linemates

the Rangers need at least 2 players to decisively beat their projections (Kakko and Gaut) and the others to be replaced. and that's a lot to ask even with all the optimism.

I loved this aspect of the article. "My original model had him as elite, so I changed it and now he's not." what a load of horse shit.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah honestly some of the analytics stuff when projecting young players makes me...nervous? I dunno, I don't like the "well this 18 year old didn't do well so he's probably f***ed time to move on" feeling I get from some of these analysis.

Young players and players in general don't have linear development, these models don't seem to take that into account.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

remember when marc staal scored our first goal of the season on a wrap around, good times...

That was a beaut.

 

[TominNC]

Yeah honestly some of the analytics stuff when projecting young players makes me...nervous? I dunno, I don't like the "well this 18 year old didn't do well so he's probably f***ed time to move on" feeling I get from some of these analysis.

No I think it’s more a matter of “don’t expect a huge improvement to they’re eventual potential.
Also we have by far the youngest team in the league. Even more so if they bury Johnson.

 

[TominNC]

I said we were a bubble team, not a playoff team. To me "no expectations" means expecting not to make it rather than not expecting to make it.

No expectations means exactly that. Don’t EXPECT either result. They have a wide range of possibilities because they have a greater number of unknowns than most teams.