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GDT: Training Camp 2021: Everyone Else Too Lazy to Make a Thread

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KirkAlbuquerque said:
whats the alternative?
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Nothing good. Just mirroring last year with Johnson instead of Staal or hoping Miller, Hajek, or Reunanen can step in.
kovazub94 said:
Supposed to work the other way around with ADA as his partner, and I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
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Yeah, both need a defensive-oriented partner or at least a strong two-way player. But I think Tony will get killed against top lines and asking Trouba to play a shutdown role takes him even further away from what made him the guy we gave $8M to.

I guess it's worth a shot. I just don't see it succeeding, at all.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Nothing good. Just mirroring last year with Johnson instead of Staal or hoping Miller, Hajek, or Reunanen can step in.

Yeah, both need a defensive-oriented partner or at least a strong two-way player. But I think Tony will get killed against top lines and asking Trouba to play a shutdown role takes him even further away from what made him the guy we gave $8M to.

I guess it's worth a shot. I just don't see it succeeding, at all.
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People will complain about $8m tag but if ADA is on 50+ point pace and the backend is covered too then I will have absolutely no problem with it (and I bet Trouba’s advance numbers will be shining too).
 
kovazub94 said:
People will complain about $8m tag but if ADA is on 50+ point pace and the backend is covered too then I will have absolutely no problem with it (and I bet Trouba’s advance numbers will be shining too).
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I don't think Trouba is a great defender on his own. He likes to gamble, whether it's with outlet passes, carrying the puck, pinching, or going for big hits. Tony can't cover for him. And I don't think Trouba can cover for Tony unless he pretty dramatically changes the way he plays.

I think DeAngelo can put up 50+ points if he gets PP1 time regardless of who he plays with. Trouba, however, needs someone that can cover for him.

I think DeAngelo-Fox is a pairing that is better-structured to put both players in a position to succeed with Lindgren-Trouba doing the same for those players.
 
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Someone that is classified as a top pair defenseman (Trouba), shouldn't be needing his partner to cover for him. Trouba should be the one that is covering for DeAngelo to work his magic offensively.
 
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Ranger Spice said:
So they will basically start Laf on the third line. No problem with that.
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I like Brooks, but he is one of a few who has big issues with these things. It’s always, OMG the coach cannot play “X” on the 3rd line or something like that. It’s of course 100% nonsense, the numbers don’t matter. If anything the 3rd get a little more offensive minutes than the 2nd. In ice time it’s often a matter of a couple of shifts that differs. Special teams OTOH have an enormous difference.

Who you play with also of course has a big impact. It’s not like it’s the same to play with Howden as it is to play with Panarin. This year it’s a little special with Panarin and Ziba. Two really strong players. But the key is to get Laf good PP time and be prepared to advance him in the lineup when he is playing really well.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I don't think Trouba is a great defender on his own. He likes to gamble, whether it's with outlet passes, carrying the puck, pinching, or going for big hits. Tony can't cover for him. And I don't think Trouba can cover for Tony unless he pretty dramatically changes the way he plays.

I think DeAngelo can put up 50+ points if he gets PP1 time regardless of who he plays with. Trouba, however, needs someone that can cover for him.

I think DeAngelo-Fox is a pairing that is better-structured to put both players in a position to succeed with Lindgren-Trouba doing the same for those players.
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Trouba changing his ways is the key and I think he could do it. Martin should help too.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
Someone that is classified as a top pair defenseman (Trouba), shouldn't be needing his partner to cover for him. Trouba should be the one that is covering for DeAngelo to work his magic offensively.
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Disagree with your premise, but: whether he should or shouldn't, I think, is irrelevant, because he does. The only way that changes is if he can suddenly become this stay at home, shutdown beast, which he has never been.

FWIW both Morrissey and Trouba covered for each other. They had excellent chemistry and knew how to play off of one another. Morrissey struggled without Trouba. Together they formed an excellent top pair.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Trouba changing his ways is the key and I think he could do it. Martin should help too.
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I would rather work on finding someone that can help Trouba play to his potential rather than asking him to be something he's not. He was a big investment for this team and until we've established he can't replicate his past success I think we should do what we can to try to help him find it.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
That Tony-Trouba pairing lasts what maybe a game or two?

Tony will get eaten alive against the top lines unless the plan is to have Lindgren and Fox match up against the top lines

There isn’t really any good alternatives but god our left side sucks ass
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Why will he get eaten alive? He hasn't gotten eaten alive against top competition the past 2 years playing mostly with Staal.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I would rather work on finding someone that can help Trouba play to his potential rather than asking him to be something he's not. He was a big investment for this team and until we've established he can't replicate his past success I think we should do what we can to try to help him find it.
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Trouba can still play to his strengths but at the same time let riskier plays on offense to ADA. As long as it contributes to team winning I don’t care if it maximizes Trouba’s potential or asking him to adjust. It still might be pretty temporary given the length of ADA contract.
 
nyr2k2 said:
DeAngelo-Trouba sounds like a bad pairing, to me. I think Trouba needs someone more steady and reliable defensively.
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Maybe - then again, DeAngelo carried Staal around most of last season and still had a solid year. Maybe playing with Trouba will work. Doesn't hurt to try. More interested in one of the rookies grabbing a spot in the top 6 and either Smith or Johnson sitting most nights.
 
Deangelo trouba sounds like clearly the best possible pairing to me. Johnson or Smith can’t handle those matchups either. Might as well just give deangelo extra ice time where maybe he will make something happen offensively as opposed to the other two guys who will get killed defensively and provide nothing else either p
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Because he stinks defensively

Trouba and Tony don’t compliment each other’s games at all

I understand why they’re doing it but I don’t see it being a success
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he’s not great defensively but he does not perform any worse against top lines than Trouba. and with them as a pairing you can basically guarantee the rangers will take many, many shots if anything.

i’d rather try someone like Lindgren for balance sake there but i’m happy they’re trying it with TDA in any capacity
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Because he stinks defensively

Trouba and Tony don’t compliment each other’s games at all

I understand why they’re doing it but I don’t see it being a success
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I don’t disagree with you, but we don’t really have anyone right now who compliments trouba or ada the way we’d probably want. miller and Robertson if they both hit their ceilings would be perfect for those roles, but they’re 20 and 19 respectively.
 
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@EdJovanovski when finding out ADA is going to be our top pair LHD ——— with Trouba

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