Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

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Sweet, so you agree with me that Schenn would be depth for us, he is not our 2C. He could be 2C if somebody gets hurt, since he's very clearly behind both Matthews and Tavares.

Because this is the statement I was disagreeing with.
He could slot in the 2C if there are injuries this year. He could also be the leverage we need in the Tavares negotiations.

If Tavares walks - you have another option.

I am fully aware JT has produced more than Schenn. I also know the gap is/would be much smaller when given the same opportunity with similar players.
 
Schenn is a big heavy playoff style centre that will go to the middle of the ice and take no prisoners.
His addition would greatly improve our playoff outlook. Exactly what we need.

The contract numbers are high, but so would playoff expectations be if we brought him to Toronto.
 
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So would B Schenn be similar add like Benette was , potential wise anyways?

Except our media thinks he's worth shit ton more? If so, this proves how the media screws with us... If not, well then carry on my wayward sons ..
 
So would B Schenn be similar add like Benette was , potential wise anyways?

Except our media thinks he's worth shit ton more? If so, this proves how the media screws with us... If not, well then carry on my wayward sons ..
Bennet was much younger, with a lower cap hit.
 
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So would B Schenn be similar add like Benette was , potential wise anyways?

Except our media thinks he's worth shit ton more? If so, this proves how the media screws with us... If not, well then carry on my wayward sons ..
Our media screws with everything the MLSE is considering. Gauge response and sentiment. Clarkson was the absolute proof
 
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Our media screws with everything the MLSE is considering. Gauge response and sentiment. Clarkson was the absolute proof
Which sorta makes anything we try to do or not do that much more difficult... MLSE playing it safe... Media pulling their shit....
It will truly be epic when and if the leafs win the cup
 
Honestly, I'm willing to bet a majority of the people in this thread, myself included have only watched him play twice.. and that's when they face Toronto.

Other then that, they are looking at caphit/age & fancy stats lol
Totally agree. Not to mention he struggled early, banged up, tough minutes on team that played poorly.

I encourage everyone to read the Blues forum here and what they think of losing him.

I will leave it there, not going to keep arguing with others.
 
Totally agree. Not to mention he struggled early, banged up, tough minutes on team that played poorly.

I encourage everyone to read the Blues forum here and what they think of losing him.

I will leave it there, not going to keep arguing with others.
I mean, our best d-man right now is 35 years old. Tavares is producing at 34 years old. I think he would be a solid addition to our team for the years we have Matthews under contract.

I don't like the price tag either, but I'd like to think if the price of someone like Cozens or Byfield was a first + prospect only, they would have pulled the trigger on that.

I'm willing to bet the teams that have younger solid players are looking for someone like Knies in the deal... I'd much rather trade unknowns then Knies.
 
Which sorta makes anything we try to do or not do that much more difficult... MLSE playing it safe... Media pulling their shit....
It will truly be epic when and if the leafs win the cup

Aren't most agents and agencies based out of Toronto? I think that has a lot to do with the problems that we see here. All of those agents have very easy access to media personalities etc.
 
I’m perfectly good with St. Louis asking for a 1st and prospect for a deal for B. Schenn……. Provided they throw in Parayko as well.

Otherwise Armstrong can go kick rocks….

That's a lot of money one way. That's almost 13 million dollars
Unless you get rid of Domi, Jarnkrok and Kampf. That's most likely not going to happen
 
I guess Vegas is an example of a team that can win without a Top pick.

How many recent winners did it without a Top 5 player from the draft?

Even the BLues had 5th. overall Schenn and 4th. overall Pietrangelo..

It helps if you've got young guys like Knies, Minten and Cowan as you bring those top 5 picks into the team

Like Kadri, Gardiner and Rielly did for this bunch of players
 
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I think a few coaches just didn't play Bennett at centre or high in the line up so at some point you gotta make a change.

Everyone on here told me Kerfoot was better.

Perhaps we're looking at old school coaching ... Sutter.

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It helps if you've got young guys like Knies, Minten and Cowan as you bring those top 5 picks into the team

Like Kadri, Gardiner and Rielly did for this bunch of players
Yep, and top 5 picks will be happening after Matthews bids his adieu, unless marner and Nylander keep the team somewhat competitive.

Hopefully Horachek is around for another go at it?
 
We can argue which ones they bought low on.... I'd leave Reinhart off that list...

Reinhart and Montour were from Buffalo... and players that went on to be much better, like everyone who leaves there. Forsling from the same type of thing, but in Chicago. Verhaeghe that nobody wanted.. and they got lucky. Bennett of course, just couldn't get it going offensively in Calgary, good trade there.

But this does highlight, find guys who have potential, that isn't being realized elsewhere. When you do that, you are going to hit, and going to miss at times. These are calculated gambles.

I wanted Weegar, before he put up big points in Florida, and they got good.
I wanted Peeke, and to me it's looking like he's coming around well for Boston, and is an 18 minute a game guy.
I wanted Comtois... looks like I was wrong there.
I wanted Shane Wright last year, and that was right.
I wanted McBain before he took off.
I am talking about Krebs now. Heck I'd do Cozens too... (that cap hit would be difficult though)
How many times did I suggest Kappo Kakko was actually going to be good, and would be a great third liner? 19 points in 27 games for Seattle now. Our friend @thusk said this about Kakko -->
Who care where Kakko will be in 5 year??? he will probably already being in his 3 or 4 team in 5 year, those kind of player are pretty easy to find on market, Puljujarvi is a pretty good exemple. It seems our friend @thusk was wrong about Kakko.... I didn't suggest we trade for him, given our needs are more D and C..

What's matter for the leafs is right now...

Buffalo has proven time and again, that their players can be so much better when they leave that org... and your example is perfect for that. That's a team I'd be scouting hard.

I think Florida did a good job, I think Washington got lucky. I've always thought it's better to trade for younger guys, with control or term, and hope and work to develop untapped upside.

For forwards, I'm still in the camp of find someone younger, with cost control, who isn't meeting expectations in their current situation, and hope they grow here. Krebs, Zegras, Cozens, McTavish... I'm sure there are other names out there, C's that are young, with contracts for some time, or control.... like you say, it's what Florida did... Washington.. I don't really want to give them credit for luck, but it's the same strategy. But, Buffalo, Anaheim.. bad teams not developing players right... it's been a proven way to get contributing players.

@LeafSteel you posted, while I was creating this post... I think we basically agree..
We agree on a lot.

Weegar, Peeke, Strome, Comtois, all guys I’ve wanted. You’ve got me watching Krebs now, and I am seeing what you see. He’d be a much more acute addition than Schenn, both now and long term.
 
Sweet, so you agree with me that Schenn would be depth for us, he is not our 2C. He could be 2C if somebody gets hurt, since he's very clearly behind both Matthews and Tavares.

Because this is the statement I was disagreeing with.

No, I'm saying Leafs would have what I've said they need to have, two 2nd. line centers.

I don't trust Tavares to continue to be the Leafs 2nd. line center.

If someone can come up with a younger 2nd. line center, I'm all in.

That's why I keep saying Treliving should be in a better position to know who is available, and the public auctions the insiders are leading is meaningless.

We must all recall that the top 6 forwards on a team face the top defenders on the opposition team. We hear that defense all the time on this site. He faces top defence so that's why his stats are lower.
Well, if you're playing 2nd. line center you face tougher competition than 3rd. line centers.
Right?
Or can that defense only be used for Toronto's players?
 
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I would prefer going after Cozens if that’s the ask. But if we’re going to get Schenn. I’d rather trade a Minten out of everyone because he’d probably be blocked for the next 3 year. Would need to get really young at the wing though.
 
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I think a few coaches just didn't play Bennett at centre or high in the line up so at some point you gotta make a change.
Funny thing about Bennett is that his career high doesn't even match Max Domi's career average, and everyone wants Domi out of here in the worst way.
 

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