Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 - Trade Deadline Approaches

[ULF_55]

Please stop trading 1st rounders - we have that Dallas scout now. Let’s see what he can do.

It would have been great to have a shot at Brady Martin from the Soo. Reminds me of Mike Richards when he was in Kitchener.


I don’t think that’s allowed - but maybe he’s not allowed to be traded back to Colorado this year.

I think it is he cannot be traded back due to retention.
They made a ruling on one such situation in the past, and I believe there is now a timeframe involved.

Obviously, he can sign wherever he wants when he is UFA.

 

[Fogelhund]

Washington is a great example of this.

Washington is a one in a million shot though... you can't count on retreads from elsewhere to suddenly get good.. I mean who would have predicted Dubois would suddenly get good? Or that Protas would go from a career high of 29 points, to near PPG? They had picked up Dylan Strome years ago from the trash heap, and now he's PPG for them. Chychryn has nearly matched his career best in 53 games. Ovechkin at 39 puts up PPG pace...

That's not really how you can build great teams, and we'll see how they do in the playoffs, but this isn't the blueprint of the future.

Protas was a 3rd round pick... I mean, that's just luck.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Washington is a one in a million shot though... you can't count on retreads from elsewhere to suddenly get good.. I mean who would have predicted Dubois would suddenly get good? Or that Protas would go from a career high of 29 points, to near PPG? They had picked up Dylan Strome years ago from the trash heap, and now he's PPG for them. Chychryn has nearly matched his career best in 53 games. Ovechkin at 39 puts up PPG pace...

That's not really how you can build great teams, and we'll see how they do in the playoffs, but this isn't the blueprint of the future.

Protas was a 3rd round pick... I mean, that's just luck.

Florida bought low on a bunch of guys like Verhaeghe, Reinhart, Forsling, Bennett and Montour, it paid off.

Relatively low at least for what they turned into later.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

If Schenn was on the team he would have played 2nd. line center this year while players have been injured.

Who played 2nd. line center when they had injuries? Okay, trick question, they didn't have a 2nd. line center when Matthews was out, they just plugged in 3rd. liners and prayed.

Matthews
Tavares
Schenn

That's much better than anything else they can do right now.

Again, I'm hoping Treliving is doing his job and not using "insiders" to do it.

So he would be a 3rd line center who could step into 2nd line center duties when needed, as in he would be a depth piece.

 

[Hotpot]

Florida bought low on a bunch of guys like Verhaeghe, Reinhart, Forsling, Bennett and Montour, it paid off.

Relatively low at least for what they turned into later.

I think the strategy is, and the strategy Leafs should take is, buy low on underperforming young players from teams that doesn't have a good development record. Buffalo is definitely a team to target, maybe Columbus as well, not sure what other teams.

Don't know what it saying about Treiliving that he was the GM when Bennett was traded though....

 

[ULF_55]

Washington is a great example of this.

They made some great moves bringing in players like Dubois and Chychrun and Strome.

Strome 3rd. overall
Dubois 3rd. overall
Chychrun 16th. overall

Mind you they haven't won anything with these guys.

 

[LeafSteel]

Washington is a one in a million shot though... you can't count on retreads from elsewhere to suddenly get good.. I mean who would have predicted Dubois would suddenly get good? Or that Protas would go from a career high of 29 points, to near PPG? They had picked up Dylan Strome years ago from the trash heap, and now he's PPG for them. Chychryn has nearly matched his career best in 53 games. Ovechkin at 39 puts up PPG pace...

That's not really how you can build great teams, and we'll see how they do in the playoffs, but this isn't the blueprint of the future.

Protas was a 3rd round pick... I mean, that's just luck.

Washington did what we need to……, make smart calculated moves on young players that they felt had underperformed and/or were under the radar.

We talked at length previously how shortsighted we’re not to take a flyer on Strome. Those are the moves we need to be making.

Tired of long-shot reclamation projects like Hakanpaa, who might have cost us Matt Roy, who happens to be doing pretty good on Washington right now, and would be our 2RHD. Where is Hakanpaa?

Your desire for Krebs is perfectly aligned with what worked for Washington. The talking heads projections on what we have to give up to get B. Schenn is the complete opposite of what we need to be doing.

Kudos to the poster who said if B. Schenn was a Leaf the talking heads would have us having to add a sweetener to move him. Perfectly summing up media views when it comes to the Leafs.

So grossly skewed it’s not even funny….

 

[thewave]

I think the strategy is, and the strategy Leafs should take is, buy low on underperforming young players from teams that doesn't have a good development record. Buffalo is definitely a team to target, maybe Columbus as well, not sure what other teams.

Don't know what it saying about Treiliving that he was the GM when Bennett was traded though....

Leafs like things like... Clark-son. Get it? Clarkson, things like that are gold Jerry. Schenn Bros, its like Mario Bros only on the Leafs.

Whenever I think there isnt anything dumber this team can do...

 

[BertCorbeau]

With these Schenn rumours just rather Trev do nothing at all at this point

 

[thewave]

With these Schenn rumours just rather Trev do nothing at all at this point

Please create a thread if he does. Call it...

Who had a better TDL? Treliving or a Potatoe

 

[SprDaVE]

With these Schenn rumours just rather Trev do nothing at all at this point

He's off to a good start in that aspect

 

[showtime8]

I think the strategy is, and the strategy Leafs should take is, buy low on underperforming young players from teams that doesn't have a good development record. Buffalo is definitely a team to target, maybe Columbus as well, not sure what other teams.

Don't know what it saying about Treiliving that he was the GM when Bennett was traded though....

Could this also be a year in where the Leafs take the Hagel strategy of overpaying in terms of assets for a guy that will be under contract for another year, but could contribute right away.

I'm thinking along the lines of Mason McTavish.

The buy low on underpeforming players seems like an offseason plan to me.

 

[thewave]

He's off to a good start in that aspect

Has even talked to the media all season? Is he even in Toronto or is he out NY moonlighting for his pops Pizza

 

[Budz]

I preface this with saying I am no cap expert.

I think we would be right on cusp of being able to have a line up of:

Knies Matthews Domi
McMann JT Marner
Robertson Schenn Nylander
Holmberg Lorentz Steeves

McCabe Tanev
Rielly Schenn
OEL Benoit
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

….as Cap compliant.

 

[Metroid]

Please create a thread if he does. Call it...

Who had a better TDL? Treliving or a Potatoe

I could go for a nice plate or bowl of poutine over Scott Laughton

 

[The Podium]

Could this also be a year in where the Leafs take the Hagel strategy of overpaying in terms of assets for a guy that will be under contract for another year, but could contribute right away.

I'm thinking along the lines of Mason McTavish.

The buy low on underpeforming players seems like an offseason plan to me.

The Leafs already did that with McCabe and it worked out very well for them.

 

[Fogelhund]

Florida bought low on a bunch of guys like Verhaeghe, Reinhart, Forsling, Bennett and Montour, it paid off.

Relatively low at least for what they turned into later.

We can argue which ones they bought low on.... I'd leave Reinhart off that list...

Reinhart and Montour were from Buffalo... and players that went on to be much better, like everyone who leaves there. Forsling from the same type of thing, but in Chicago. Verhaeghe that nobody wanted.. and they got lucky. Bennett of course, just couldn't get it going offensively in Calgary, good trade there.

But this does highlight, find guys who have potential, that isn't being realized elsewhere. When you do that, you are going to hit, and going to miss at times. These are calculated gambles.

I wanted Weegar, before he put up big points in Florida, and they got good.
I wanted Peeke, and to me it's looking like he's coming around well for Boston, and is an 18 minute a game guy.
I wanted Comtois... looks like I was wrong there.
I wanted Shane Wright last year, and that was right.
I wanted McBain before he took off.
I am talking about Krebs now. Heck I'd do Cozens too... (that cap hit would be difficult though)
How many times did I suggest Kappo Kakko was actually going to be good, and would be a great third liner? 19 points in 27 games for Seattle now. Our friend @thusk said this about Kakko -->
Who care where Kakko will be in 5 year??? he will probably already being in his 3 or 4 team in 5 year, those kind of player are pretty easy to find on market, Puljujarvi is a pretty good exemple. It seems our friend @thusk was wrong about Kakko.... I didn't suggest we trade for him, given our needs are more D and C..

What's matter for the leafs is right now...

Buffalo has proven time and again, that their players can be so much better when they leave that org... and your example is perfect for that. That's a team I'd be scouting hard.

I think Florida did a good job, I think Washington got lucky. I've always thought it's better to trade for younger guys, with control or term, and hope and work to develop untapped upside.

For forwards, I'm still in the camp of find someone younger, with cost control, who isn't meeting expectations in their current situation, and hope they grow here. Krebs, Zegras, Cozens, McTavish... I'm sure there are other names out there, C's that are young, with contracts for some time, or control.... like you say, it's what Florida did... Washington.. I don't really want to give them credit for luck, but it's the same strategy. But, Buffalo, Anaheim.. bad teams not developing players right... it's been a proven way to get contributing players.

@LeafSteel you posted, while I was creating this post... I think we basically agree..

 

[Hotpot]

Could this also be a year in where the Leafs take the Hagel strategy of overpaying in terms of assets for a guy that will be under contract for another year, but could contribute right away.

I'm thinking along the lines of Mason McTavish.

The buy low on underpeforming players seems like an offseason plan to me.

I'd trade Cowan for McTavish. Cowan for Parayko (50% retained) would be great

 

[ULF_55]

So he would be a 3rd line center who could step into 2nd line center duties when needed, as in he would be a depth piece.

Exactly, and it wouldn't be a stretch. It is a role he's playing today.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'd trade Cowan for McTavish. Cowan for Parayko (50% retained) would be great

They won't be retaining on Parayko.

 

[SprDaVE]

Has even talked to the media all season? Is he even in Toronto or is he out NY moonlighting for his pops Pizza

He has done a few media spots this season like any other GM. They typically don't talk more than a handful of times in a season. He probably won't do media until just after the deadline like most other GMs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think the strategy is, and the strategy Leafs should take is, buy low on underperforming young players from teams that doesn't have a good development record. Buffalo is definitely a team to target, maybe Columbus as well, not sure what other teams.

Don't know what it saying about Treiliving that he was the GM when Bennett was traded though....

I think a few coaches just didn't play Bennett at centre or high in the line up so at some point you gotta make a change.

Everyone on here told me Kerfoot was better.

We can argue which ones they bought low on.... I'd leave Reinhart off that list...

Reinhart and Montour were from Buffalo... and players that went on to be much better, like everyone who leaves there. Forsling from the same type of thing, but in Chicago. Verhaeghe that nobody wanted.. and they got lucky. Bennett of course, just couldn't get it going offensively in Calgary, good trade there.

But this does highlight, find guys who have potential, that isn't being realized elsewhere. When you do that, you are going to hit, and going to miss at times. These are calculated gambles.

I wanted Weegar, before he put up big points in Florida, and they got good.
I wanted Peeke, and to me it's looking like he's coming around well for Boston, and is an 18 minute a game guy.
I wanted Comtois... looks like I was wrong there.
I wanted Shane Wright last year, and that was right.
I wanted McBain before he took off.
I am talking about Krebs now. Heck I'd do Cozens too... (that cap hit would be difficult though)
How many times did I suggest Kappo Kakko was actually going to be good, and would be a great third liner? 19 points in 27 games for Seattle now. Our friend @thusk said this about Kakko -->
Who care where Kakko will be in 5 year??? he will probably already being in his 3 or 4 team in 5 year, those kind of player are pretty easy to find on market, Puljujarvi is a pretty good exemple. It seems our friend @thusk was wrong about Kakko.... I didn't suggest we trade for him, given our needs are more D and C..

What's matter for the leafs is right now...

Buffalo has proven time and again, that their players can be so much better when they leave that org... and your example is perfect for that. That's a team I'd be scouting hard.

I think Florida did a good job, I think Washington got lucky. I've always thought it's better to trade for younger guys, with control or term, and hope and work to develop untapped upside.

For forwards, I'm still in the camp of find someone younger, with cost control, who isn't meeting expectations in their current situation, and hope they grow here. Krebs, Zegras, Cozens, McTavish... I'm sure there are other names out there, C's that are young, with contracts for some time, or control.... like you say, it's what Florida did... Washington.. I don't really want to give them credit for luck, but it's the same strategy. But, Buffalo, Anaheim.. bad teams not developing players right... it's been a proven way to get contributing players.

@LeafSteel you posted, while I was creating this post... I think we basically agree..

Wanted Bennett, Weegar and McBain as well.

Also wanted Farabee and Frost, jury still out on that.

Reinhart was a former high pick that wasn't producing well but didn't live up to it either, a late 1st and a good goalie prospect is pretty good ROI.

Florida seems to have hit pretty lucky similar to Washington.

I agree with the buying low type move...even Timmins wasn't a bad move, we certainly came out ahead.

Krebs is a move I wouldn't mind at all if the price was reasonable.

 

[Budz]

I'd trade Cowan for McTavish. Cowan for Parayko (50% retained) would be great

Of course it would be great.

No GM in their right mind is retaining over 3 million for 3 years on a 6 foot 6 top 4 RD for Easton freaking Cowan (as much as I think he is swell).

This is beyond wishful thinking and the typical tripe we see in here.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Exactly, and it wouldn't be a stretch. It is a role he's playing today.

Sweet, so you agree with me that Schenn would be depth for us, he is not our 2C. He could be 2C if somebody gets hurt, since he's very clearly behind both Matthews and Tavares.

Because this is the statement I was disagreeing with.

Calling Brayden Schenn depth is pretty funny. He easily could slot in at 2 C for us.

 

[thewave]

I think a few coaches just didn't play Bennett at centre or high in the line up so at some point you gotta make a change.

Everyone on here told me Kerfoot was better.




Wanted Bennett, Weegar and McBain as well.

Also wanted Farabee and Frost, jury still out on that.

Reinhart was a former high pick that wasn't producing well but didn't live up to it either, a late 1st and a good goalie prospect is pretty good ROI.

Florida seems to have hit pretty lucky similar to Washington.

I agree with the buying low type move...even Timmins wasn't a bad move, we certainly came out ahead.

Krebs is a move I wouldn't mind at all if the price was reasonable.

It's not luck it's good management