Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[TheDoldrums]

You’d be relying on Murray as the back up. I don’t think that’s a terrible option. Samsonov had the highest win% in the league last year with a .890 sv% - this team can win despite the goalie in the regular season.

have you watched the team this season? They are 22nd in goals per game. They absolutely cannot win with bad goaltending.

Last year they were 2nd in goals per game. Then they hired a defensive coach and now play an entirely different style, one a lot more reliant on goaltending.

 

[ULF_55]

Noting Samsonov's last two regular season games were a sparkling 0.700 and 0.844 save percentage, while Woll's were 0.900 and 0.902 Prior to that, Samsonov had been pretty good from the start of March to those two games for the most part.

I guess we can ignore the "unbiased" post referenced?

Quelle surprise ...

 

[LeafEgo]

start with the cold goalie, wich message that send to the rest of the team if it completly failed? If cold goalie doesn't get the job done, you're just scrap confidence of your second goalie who had been by far better for no reason.

Its extremely easy to say it after thing happening but honestly if the Woll we saw last 2 month before playoff would be the same in playoff, the result would be even worst than what Samsonov did.

Samsonov was not necessairly the best option but rhe less risky one..

Managing the messaging is not sufficient reasoning to plan to fail. Sammy should have never been in the equation at all.

A post I made before the tdl below. If you read between the lines, applying value to the upside/downsides, I was suggesting Woll/Jones without sounding too dramatic and to spur discussion. I also suggested trading Sammy.

Way I see it,

WOLL
Upside is he pulls a Binner and can support a cup run - dudes a gamer. Downside is he's too fresh to take a team deep, and he might be injured.

SAMMY
Upside is he suddenly improves playoff performance and doesn't let in a bad goal a game - can support the team just enough for an honest run. Downside is he breaks down completely, or continues as last year and we are super lucky to get a round.

JONES
Upside is he provides stable goaltending tapping into 60 games of good playoff experience - can support the team just enough for an honest run. Downside is he performs below average and it's tough to win.

Hopefully we can get a healthy Woll running hot, otherwise I don't think it matters too much.

It's tough to juggle even two goalies though let alone three in the playoffs (Vegas got bounced trying to juggle two studs), so a lot rides on who they select to start with the net.

Best playoff numbers in the NHL but no series wins.

Can you expand on the point you are making?

 

[Americanadian]

Game 7? It was 1v1 game in OT and we had a defensive breakdown that Boston scored from

Your insane if you're blaming that loss on goaltending

He didn’t play!

 

[Kiwi]

He didn’t play!

True, he played in that series though and did win some games if I'm remembering rightly

 

[Americanadian]

have you watched the team this season? They are 22nd in goals per game. They absolutely cannot win with bad goaltending.

Last year they were 2nd in goals per game. Then they hired a defensive coach and now play an entirely different style, one a lot more reliant on goaltending.

I completely agree although I still think they‘ll finish 2nd in the Atlantic with .900 goaltending or .920.

I also think it Woll was moved for an offensive C that could enable them to run one of Marner/Nylander with that C and create a 3rd scoring line which should increase their goal output.

True, he played in that series though and did win some games if I'm remembering rightly

Completely correct. When he was needed most he wasn’t available.

 

[Kiwi]

I completely agree although I still think they‘ll finish 2nd in the Atlantic with .900 goaltending or .920.

I also think it Woll was moved for an offensive C that could enable them to run one of Marner/Nylander with that C and create a 3rd scoring line which should increase their goal output.


Completely correct. When he was needed most he wasn’t available.

Injuries happen, if we traded him and Stolarz went down we'd be in some trouble right about now

 

[thusk]

Managing the messaging is not sufficient reasoning to plan to fail. Sammy should have never been in the equation at all.

A post I made before the tdl below. If you read between the lines, applying value to the upside/downsides, I was suggesting Woll/Jones without sounding too dramatic and to spur discussion. I also suggested trading Sammy.


Can you expand on the point you are making?

If woll would not be as bad in his return, he would starter... If it would Jones who finished strong and Woll playing the same way, it would be Jones the starting goalie in playoff. That change absolutly nothibg to the fact Woll was not good at all at this moment

 

[LeafChief]

We're not trading Woll.

 

[Americanadian]

Injuries happen, if we traded him and Stolarz went down we'd be in some trouble right about now

As would most teams in the league.

On the other side of this conversation, how many teams have 13 goals from their bottom 6?

The whole point of this discussion which I’ve mentioned many times is come playoffs they’re not running a tandem (or at least no team has won a cup with a tandem). They will be running out 4 lines - they should focus on making them the best lines possible.

 

[cyris]

As would most teams in the league.

On the other side of this conversation, how many teams have 13 goals from their bottom 6?

The whole point of this discussion which I’ve mentioned many times is come playoffs they’re not running a tandem (or at least no team has won a cup with a tandem). They will be running out 4 lines - they should focus on making them the best lines possible.

How many teams are depending on a #1 starting goalie who has never played 30 games in a season?
Also if they trade Woll what is the plan in a year and a half when Stolaz’s contract expires?
And you do understand they can address their bottom 6 without trading a goalie right? In fact as Woll makes then league minimum this season any trade involving him would leave us with less cap space to address the issues with our team.

 

[Americanadian]

How many teams are depending on a #1 starting goalie who has never played 30 games in a season?
Also if they trade Woll what is the plan in a year and a half when Stolaz’s contract expires?
And you do understand they can address their bottom 6 without trading a goalie right? In fact as Woll makes then league minimum this season any trade involving him would leave us with less cap space to address the issues with our team.

Woll also has never played 30 games in a season - at least Stolarz has played 30+ games as a pro.

They can absolutely address their bottom 6 without trading a goalie. The issue is that’s not their only hole. Ideally they need a 3C and a RD to pair with Rielly. If they can fill 3C by removing their backup goalie that would allow them to use their futures on a good partner for Rielly.

As far as money goes - they don’t really need cap space. There’s a good chance Jarnkrok/Hakanpaa are out of the picture and Liljegren

 

[BertCorbeau]

Parssinen is interesting. Only 23 and a big bodied C averaging close to 2 hits per game. Had a strong rookie season over .5PPG, + IQ, and a worker bee.

Struggling with confidence issues in NSH but his deployment has been inconsistent and Trotz has been making some questionable moves of late. Don't love his foot speed but there's some untapped offensive skill there.

Could be a cheaper buy-low option and Minten contingency plan who in the short-term can hold down the 4C role.

If they can move Kampf I think Parssinen fits Berube’s system and style well

I’m in

 

[thusk]

Woll also has never played 30 games in a season - at least Stolarz has played 30+ games as a pro.

They can absolutely address their bottom 6 without trading a goalie. The issue is that’s not their only hole. Ideally they need a 3C and a RD to pair with Rielly. If they can fill 3C by removing their backup goalie that would allow them to use their futures on a good partner for Rielly.

As far as money goes - they don’t really need cap space. There’s a good chance Jarnkrok/Hakanpaa are out of the picture and Liljegren

Rielly played really well wiyh boosh and schenn who are nothing more than 6th dman in the league, i dont think they need to waste asset for a rielly partner

 

[cyris]

Woll also has never played 30 games in a season - at least Stolarz has played 30+ games as a pro.

They can absolutely address their bottom 6 without trading a goalie. The issue is that’s not their only hole. Ideally they need a 3C and a RD to pair with Rielly. If they can fill 3C by removing their backup goalie that would allow them to use their futures on a good partner for Rielly.

As far as money goes - they don’t really need cap space. There’s a good chance Jarnkrok/Hakanpaa are out of the picture and Liljegren

You’re right Woll hasn’t played 30 games in a season either, that is why he is best in a tandem.
There is no reason to trade one of our goalies right now.
It’s not like Woll has unreal value around the league right now because of his injury history. We also don’t have a 3rd goalie ready to play 30 games in the NHL right now, so what is your plan there?
You also didn’t answer what the plan is in a year and a half when Stolarz’s contract is up.

You have locked yourself into this idea that trading Will could solve a bunch of problems and refuse to acknowledge any problems that would create

 

[Americanadian]

You’re right Woll hasn’t played 30 games in a season either, that is why he is best in a tandem.
There is no reason to trade one of our goalies right now.
It’s not like Woll has unreal value around the league right now because of his injury history. We also don’t have a 3rd goalie ready to play 30 games in the NHL right now, so what is your plan there?

Can Murray play 30 games? Maybe you bring back Tarasov in the proposed trade.

You also didn’t answer what the plan is in a year and a half when Stolarz’s contract is up.

The plan is you promote one of Hildeby or AA or you just re-sign Stolarz if he continues to be the best goalie in the league.

You have locked yourself into this idea that trading Will could solve a bunch of problems and refuse to acknowledge any problems that would create

Honestly your best point yet. I am focused on playoffs where I don't see the benefit of having a high-value back up goalie.

I'm not saying moving Woll is the only way forward and it has to happen. I am proposing a trade and some people on this board can't open their mind enough to even think about the possible benefit which is why I am still defending the idea.

 

[Kiwi]

As would most teams in the league.

On the other side of this conversation, how many teams have 13 goals from their bottom 6?

The whole point of this discussion which I’ve mentioned many times is come playoffs they’re not running a tandem (or at least no team has won a cup with a tandem). They will be running out 4 lines - they should focus on making them the best lines possible.

The problem is both of our tandem goaltenders have extremely worrying injury history's and neither of them has ever taken a starters workload over a full season

I'd throw the kitchen sink at the 3C position if Minten can't grab that job but I don't think raiding our goaltending depth is practical, if it turns bad it could end our season impractical

Prospects and picks should get us somebody useful, we shouldn't need to take off our roster (unless it's a Robertson type)

 

[Puckstuff]

The problem is both of our tandem goaltenders have extremely worrying injury history's and neither of them has ever taken a starters workload over a full season

I'd throw the kitchen sink at the 3C position if Minten can't grab that job but I don't think raiding our goaltending depth is practical, if it turns bad it could end our season impractical

Prospects and picks should get us somebody useful, we shouldn't need to take off our roster (unless it's a Robertson type)

I’ve been trying to think if I want a 3c or another top 4 d.

As an example, Ryan Strome or Ivan Provorov?

Difficult choice.

 

[thusk]

Can Murray play 30 games? Maybe you bring back Tarasov in the proposed trade.

The plan is you promote one of Hildeby or AA or you just re-sign Stolarz if he continues to be the best goalie in the league.

Honestly your best point yet. I am focused on playoffs where I don't see the benefit of having a high-value back up goalie.

I'm not saying moving Woll is the only way forward and it has to happen. I am proposing a trade and some people on this board can't open their mind enough to even think about the possible benefit which is why I am still defending the idea.

If Vegas didn't had good back up goalie, they would never won their cup with Hill jumping up after Brossoit injury.

If Colorado didn't had a good back up making the job, they would never won their cup with Francouz stepoing up when kuemper goes down.

Pittsburgh would never won their cup in 2017 when fleury step up with Murray injury and murray finishing it

If you don't see any benefit of a good back up, personally i see a pretty high one...

You can win in playoff even if one of your key player get injured or doesn't play at the highest level but you will never win anything if your goalie get hurt without any good back up plan and if your goalie don't get the job done in playoff.

 

[ULF_55]

Cam Fowler ... that's a bigger move.

St. Louis Blues acquire D Cam Fowler from Anaheim Ducks | TSN

The St. Louis Blues have acquired defenceman Cam Fowler and a fourth-round pick in 2027 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for a second-round selection in 2027 and defenceman Jeremie Biakabutuka.

www.tsn.ca

Low price ... be interesting to see what he has left on an NHL team.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Cam Fowler ... that's a bigger move.

St. Louis Blues acquire D Cam Fowler from Anaheim Ducks | TSN

The St. Louis Blues have acquired defenceman Cam Fowler and a fourth-round pick in 2027 from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for a second-round selection in 2027 and defenceman Jeremie Biakabutuka.

www.tsn.ca

Low price ... be interesting to see what he has left on an NHL team.

Would have done that, Reilly to Anaheim for Fowler and Strome sign me up

 

[Sypher04]

I’ve been trying to think if I want a 3c or another top 4 d.

As an example, Ryan Strome or Ivan Provorov?

Difficult choice.

I disagree - I think it’s very easy personally.

Nobody in the league has allowed less goals per game than us, while we are 22nd in goal production.

The forwards should be focus of any upgrades if it’s one or the other. Whether that is 3C or another position up front, we need to add an impact scorer.

 

[Joel Ward]

I'd like to be proven wrong but I'm still not buying that Stolarz/Woll and especially McCabe-Tanev/Rielly-Hakanpaa/OEL-Timmins/Benoit are top goaltending and defensive units league wide. Not that the bottom 6 scoring depth is good by any means either.

On one hand it'd be a shame to waste another year of Matthews/Nylander/Marner prime but I don't think there's a rental on the market who makes the team legit contenders. Hope they don't bleed more important assets for someone who's gone after 10-20 games and a first/second round flame out.

Also I don't know why anyone would be excited to add Ryan Strome. Shouldn't be anywhere near a faceoff circle, isn't fast; physical, offensively effective (relative to salary), or defensively responsible.

 

[Sypher04]

I'd like to be proven wrong but I'm still not buying that Stolarz/Woll and especially McCabe-Tanev/Rielly-Hakanpaa/OEL-Timmins/Benoit are top goaltending and defensive units league wide. Not that the bottom 6 scoring depth is good by any means either.

On one hand it'd be a shame to waste another year of Matthews/Nylander/Marner prime but I don't think there's a rental on the market who makes the team legit contenders. Hope they don't bleed more important assets for someone who's gone after 10-20 games and a first/second round flame out.

Also I don't know why anyone would be excited to add Ryan Strome. Shouldn't be anywhere near a faceoff circle, isn't fast; physical, offensively effective (relative to salary), or defensively responsible.

There are elements of your post here that I definitely agree with. Not bleeding assets for rentals, why do we want Ryan strome? Etc

However, regarding the rest…
- So far, the defensive results speak for themselves and that’s with a whole pile of ahl call ups coming in due to forward injuries as well. Yes, we will see how it all holds up, but there aren’t really any indicators at this time that our defensive results are a mirage.

- I think the point saying there is probably no player on the rental market that makes us legitimate contenders is ridiculous. We are 5th in the league and while I understand we’ve had some playoff struggles, we are still already legitimate contenders - we have some holes/issues to deal, as do all the others. We don’t need some massive change to our group, we could probably use an impact scorer (one who can ideally help the pp) and we need to reconfigure some of the depth forwards as well. Our holes are no more significant than the other contending teams.

 

[ULF_55]

I'd like to be proven wrong but I'm still not buying that Stolarz/Woll and especially McCabe-Tanev/Rielly-Hakanpaa/OEL-Timmins/Benoit are top goaltending and defensive units league wide. Not that the bottom 6 scoring depth is good by any means either.

On one hand it'd be a shame to waste another year of Matthews/Nylander/Marner prime but I don't think there's a rental on the market who makes the team legit contenders. Hope they don't bleed more important assets for someone who's gone after 10-20 games and a first/second round flame out.

Also I don't know why anyone would be excited to add Ryan Strome. Shouldn't be anywhere near a faceoff circle, isn't fast; physical, offensively effective (relative to salary), or defensively responsible.

I agree they should stop throwing away assets for rentals.

Rental or unused assets for rentals go for it.

Example Robertson.