Trades & Free Agency Thread: 2024-2025 Season Edition

[SprDaVE]

How good do you think Woll is?

He’s never played more than 30 games in a season as a pro due to injuries.

He wasn’t a top 20 goalie by sv% in the AHL until his age 24 season (4th pro season) and he didn't even play enough games to have his stats qualify on the AHL website. Hildeby was a top 20 goalie in year 1 at age 22.

Woll finally broke into the NHL full time last year and finished 30th in sv%, 33rd in GSAx. He couldn't even beat out Samsonov for the playoff starter job despite Samsonov posting a .890 sv%.

On top of that - he wasn't healthy enough to play in game 7 and then turns around and isn't available for game 1 this season.

He is playing excellent this season and he very well could end up a top 5 goalie but that's hardly a certainty.

If you think it's "nuts" to suggest moving off him for a 21 year old C that's pacing for 55 points in his 4th full season then good for you.

Youngish goaltenders have to start somewhere. This is how you get all-star and top end goaltenders long-term.... by keeping them.

You're nitpicking that he couldn't beat out Samsonov simply because he was injured and because Keefe was a moron. He played Samsonov because he believed in him and he was red hot for a portion of the season, so he was trying to give the veteran the benefit of the doubt. If Woll plays that entire series, we're probably winning it because it never gets to Game 7.

It is pretty nuts after years and years of inconsistent and absolutely awful goaltending. This is just asking for trouble. We just saw what one injury can do to goaltending depth. It goes very fast.

 

[SprDaVE]

Love the idea of bringing back ROR but I was poking my head around the Nashville board and there fans seem to think there is no way Trotz will ever move him… maybe if they continue to slide and we make a big enough offer we could convince them other wise but it might be hard to pull off. Ryan Strome is another name I like, not as much as ROR but it could be a decent option, especially if the Ducks retain some salary. We would need to dump Kampf+Jarnkrok in any deal for a higher paid 3c.

Knies-Matthew-Domi
Patches-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-ROR-Marner
Lorentz-Minten-Grebenkin

I really hated how ROR completely snubbed the Leafs to go hide in Tennessee. I wouldn't pay a single asset to trade for him. He wanted this, he got it. I want players that wanna be here.

Ryan Strome would love to be here.

 

[ACC1224]

I really hated how ROR completely snubbed the Leafs to go hide in Tennessee. I wouldn't pay a single asset to trade for him. He wanted this, he got it. I want players that wanna be here.

Ryan Strome would love to be here.

100%

 

[hamzarocks]

I really hated how ROR completely snubbed the Leafs to go hide in Tennessee. I wouldn't pay a single asset to trade for him. He wanted this, he got it. I want players that wanna be here.

Ryan Strome would love to be here.

Yeah I agree.

RoR had an easy chance to sign and be liked by most fans at 4-5M.

He wanted a private life in NSH. We shouldnt go after him now

Id like Kadri but hes even more unrealistic to acquire again due to age and contract

Scott Laughton would be a decent add depending at price point, but flyers are almost in a playoff spot so not likely on the market

 

[1specter]

Strome is a good shout. He produced well when playing with good players, and even on a bad Ducks team he's had respectable numbers.

 

[Fogelhund]

That was a couple of years ago, so I'd still be careful with him and if they have to eat 50% they will probably want something to make it worthwhile, it's not huge money but it's enough

I wouldn't mind him as a throw in with an ROR deal but if we're looking for a partner for Rielly I think we may need somebody a bit better, I wouldn't mind some puck moving ability either

Another idea I explored, is Parayko and Brayden Schenn, but it seems nearly impossible to make the money work. Basically, they'd both have to be 50% retained, which nobody would every do. I've been down on Parayko in the past, but the more I look at him, the more I wonder if he wouldn't be a good partner for Rielly, and a guy who could simplify his game a little. He's a RD with good size, a good passer, and good skater, especially for a guy his size. He had some back problems, and down years, but it looks like he's now fully recovered and back to playing well. St. Louis is looking likely to miss the playoffs, and near the end of their run. It would make one heck of a lineup, Berube is familiar with both guys, and won with them... but the numbers don't seem to work.

 

[Fogelhund]

Kneiss Matthewss McMahon Taveras Homberg

Help!!

Minten should get a run, when everyone is healthy, to see if he is good enough to be the 3C... my target is after the January 14th game... I think we've got around 15 games between now and then. McMann should be back in the lineup Saturday, so some time for McMann Domi and Minten to build some chemistry and pitch in with some secondary offense. If it doesn't work.. we might need to go out and get a 3C...... Plenty of players out there, to discuss if it comes to that.

 

[SprDaVE]

Strome is a good shout. He produced well when playing with good players, and even on a bad Ducks team he's had respectable numbers.

One of the issues with Strome is can he produce in a reduced role? And would the Ducks retain for 2 more seasons? I do think he'd be an interesting center to put between Domi and probably McMann. Maybe you can put him with JT and Nylander too. He would not get much PP time here and his faceoff % is awful at 40%. That whole Ducks team sucks at faceoffs though.

 

[CincoHolio]

Wait, why are we talking about O'Reilly?

 

[SprDaVE]

Wait, why are we talking about O'Reilly?

Because Nashville sucks, are 2-8 in their last 10 and we're in need of a center. They've let it known they wanna shake it up in some way, and they seem very unhappy about their performance.

 

[CincoHolio]

Because Nashville sucks, are 2-8 in their last 10 and we're in need of a center. They've let it known they wanna shake it up in some way, and they seem very unhappy about their performance.

Former Leaf Ryan O'Reilly has come out and stated why he ultimately didn’t want to come back to Toronto, saying "not everyone is meant for the spotlight."

He doesn't want to be here. This has long been established. People need to let it go.

 

[Al14]

Wait, why are we talking about O'Reilly?

Exactly, he had his chance to be a hero with our Leafs and ran away to Nashville !!!

Good riddance, I don't want to re-acquire a player that rejected a chance to stay and play with our Leafs.

He can stay and be a ZERO HERO in Nashville !!!

 

[LeafEgo]

To Toronto: Mason McTavish
To Anaheim: Easton Cowan + Pontus Holmberg + 2025 2nd Rounder + 2026 1st Rounder

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Pacioretty - McTavish - Nylander
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Lorentz - Minten - Dewar
Reaves

McTavish is 21yo I don't see the Ducks moving him for futures, unless there is an obvious significant overpay or there are issues off the ice.

They need players at different stages of development as they continue to build - a 25-30yo McTavish at center is probably a key part of their long term plans.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

One of the issues with Strome is can he produce in a reduced role? And would the ducks retain for 2 more seasons? I do think he'd be an interesting center to put between Domi and probably McMann. Maybe you can put him on the LW with JT and Nylander too. He would not get much PP time here and his faceoff % is awful at 40%. That whole Ducks team sucks at faceoffs though.

Most of his scoring has been 5 on 5 regardless of how big of a role he has played. He's still good for 10ish goals and 30-40 points playing 13-14 minutes which is significantly better than what we get from Holmberg and Kampf.

 

[Americanadian]

Youngish goaltenders have to start somewhere. This is how you get all-star and top end goaltenders long-term.... by keeping them.

It's not as if I'm suggesting dumping him. I'm suggesting moving off him for a young NHL C who can fill in at 3C and grow into the 2C role. The Leafs have a bigger need at C than in net.

You're nitpicking that he couldn't beat out Samsonov simply because he was injured and because Keefe was a moron. He played Samsonov because he believed in him and he was red hot for a portion of the season, so he was trying to give the veteran the benefit of the doubt. If Woll plays that entire series, we're probably winning it because it never gets to Game 7.

Was Woll injured to end the season last year? He played their 2nd to last game against Florida, I don't recall any injury prior to the injury in game 6.

It is pretty nuts after years and years of inconsistent and absolutely awful goaltending. This is just asking for trouble. We just saw what one injury can do to goaltending depth. It goes very fast.

You can say this for most teams in the league. The last time a tandem won the Jennings (best sv%) and won the cup was Emery/Crawford in 2012/13 and Emery didn't play a single game in the playoffs. Having a strong tandem rarely equates to playoff success which is the ultimate goal.

 

[SprDaVE]

It's not as if I'm suggesting dumping him. I'm suggesting moving off him for a young NHL C who can fill in at 3C and grow into the 2C role. The Leafs have a bigger need at C than in net.

Was Woll injured to end the season last year? He played their 2nd to last game against Florida, I don't recall any injury prior to the injury in game 6.

You can say this for most teams in the league. The last time a tandem won the Jennings (best sv%) and won the cup was Emery/Crawford in 2012/13 and Emery didn't play a single game in the playoffs. Having a strong tandem rarely equates to playoff success which is the ultimate goal.

He wasn't. He was injured for a large part of the season and Keefe wanted to go with the veteran that was hot for awhile during the season, which was a big time mistake. Woll should have started game 1 and beyond. Ullmark was also confused for that reason.

The point is that it's a fairly untested tandem that are playing very well. They have shown to be injured a lot as well. So it's about taking your time with 2 good assets. Adding a center is nice but it's just too risky when they can easily add a player without removing from their goaltending.

Also, I would make the counterpoint the Leafs should sell high on Stolarz and keep the younger goaltender signed longer term. Either way, this is all moot because they aren't gonna do that in season. They signed Stolarz to tandem with Woll (signed in the off-season as well) for a reason, not because they wanted to trade one 3-6 months into the season

 

[thusk]

He wasn't. He was injured for a large part of the season and Keefe wanted to go with the veteran that was hot for awhile during the season, which was a big time mistake. Woll should have started game 1 and beyond. Ullmark was also confused for that reason.

The point is that it's a fairly untested tandem that are playing very well. They have shown to be injured a lot as well. So it's about taking your time with 2 good assets. Adding a center is nice but it's just too risky when they can easily add a player without removing from their goaltending.

Also, I would make the counterpoint the Leafs should sell high on Stolarz and keep the younger goaltender signed longer term. Either way, this is all moot because they aren't gonna do that in season. They signed Stolarz to tandem with Woll (signed in the off-season as well) for a reason, not because they wanted to trade one 3-6 months into the season

Woll played pretty bad hockey at the end of last season, that's why Keefe started with Samsonov. Woll didn't gave any choice to keefe to start with Samsonov, that's pretty different.

But leafs dont have any reason to trade any of stolarz or Woll

 

[Fogelhund]

Woll played pretty bad hockey at the end of last season, that's why Keefe started with Samsonov. Woll didn't gave any choice to keefe to start with Samsonov, that's pretty different.

But leafs dont have any reason to trade any of stolarz or Woll

Noting Samsonov's last two regular season games were a sparkling 0.700 and 0.844 save percentage, while Woll's were 0.900 and 0.902 Prior to that, Samsonov had been pretty good from the start of March to those two games for the most part.

 

[CincoHolio]

Another idea I explored, is Parayko and Brayden Schenn, but it seems nearly impossible to make the money work. Basically, they'd both have to be 50% retained, which nobody would every do. I've been down on Parayko in the past, but the more I look at him, the more I wonder if he wouldn't be a good partner for Rielly, and a guy who could simplify his game a little. He's a RD with good size, a good passer, and good skater, especially for a guy his size. He had some back problems, and down years, but it looks like he's now fully recovered and back to playing well. St. Louis is looking likely to miss the playoffs, and near the end of their run. It would make one heck of a lineup, Berube is familiar with both guys, and won with them... but the numbers don't seem to work.

Parayko is the guy I've wanted for a while. Think he would be perfect on this team. Land him somehow and the Leafs easily have the best D in the league, hands down.

 

[Al14]

Parayko is the guy I've wanted for a while. Think he would be perfect on this team. Land him somehow and the Leafs easily have the best D in the league, hands down.

Trade Rielly for him then?

 

[SprDaVE]

Woll played pretty bad hockey at the end of last season, that's why Keefe started with Samsonov. Woll didn't gave any choice to keefe to start with Samsonov, that's pretty different.

But leafs dont have any reason to trade any of stolarz or Woll

That's not true at all. Woll wasn't great but Samsonov was so much worse. Last 2 games each Woll had better stats. Woll played Florida (top team) and NJD (bad team), whereas Samsonov played Detroit (bad team) and NJD (bad team). Woll was above .900 whereas Samsonov was at 0.772 save percentage. It's not even close.

Last 5 games each -- Woll 0.880 vs Samsonov 0.860.

Woll should have been the starter and quite clear Keefe agreed eventually. Not sure it goes 7 games if Woll starts the series, but no way of knowing.

 

[Fogelhund]

Trade Rielly for him then?

You'd want them paired together.

 

[Kiwi]

Another idea I explored, is Parayko and Brayden Schenn, but it seems nearly impossible to make the money work. Basically, they'd both have to be 50% retained, which nobody would every do. I've been down on Parayko in the past, but the more I look at him, the more I wonder if he wouldn't be a good partner for Rielly, and a guy who could simplify his game a little. He's a RD with good size, a good passer, and good skater, especially for a guy his size. He had some back problems, and down years, but it looks like he's now fully recovered and back to playing well. St. Louis is looking likely to miss the playoffs, and near the end of their run. It would make one heck of a lineup, Berube is familiar with both guys, and won with them... but the numbers don't seem to work.

We'd have to throw a ton of money overboard and get at least 50% retention on both of them, I think that could get expensive if it's even possible

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Bruins
Trent Frederic
for
Calle Jarnkrok & 2nd

Leafs - Blue Jackets
Mathieu Olivier
for
Nick Robertson, Ryan Reaves & 3rd

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Patches - Tavares - Nylander
McMann - Minten - Domi
Lorentz - Frederic - Olivier
Dewar, Holmberg

Rielly - - - OEL
McCabe - Tanev
Benoit - Timmins
Hakanpaa, Myers