Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[andora]

I believe is was because the Leafs did not have a clear cut top 9 spot for him, so he walked as a UFA to re-sign with Pittsburgh

Ah yes.. the jimmy vesey experience

 

[Mess]

I believe is was because the Leafs did not have a clear cut top 9 spot for him, so he walked as a UFA to re-sign with Pittsburgh

I found this



A deal in the neighbourhood of around $1 million per year appears to be the likely resolution should the two parties agree to a new deal. Rodrigues is coming off a deal that had a $2 million AAV and it’s entirely possible he accepts a pay-cut to play for his hometown team.

 

[Stephen]

While $10 mil is an ugly contract no doubt, leading the league in wins 39 on the way to the President's Trophy 122 point season helps validate that cost when you enter the playoffs as the #1 seed. Its not his play is making Florida a non playoff team or hurting them.

Leafs lose that cap advantage on other overspending.

Matthews $11.64 mil + Marner $10.903 = $22.543 mil vs Barkov $10 mil + Tkachuk $9.5 mil = $19.5 mil

Cap Allocation #1G & #2C

Toronto
#1 Stating Goalie ..Matt Murray .. 20 games .. 5 wins ............................ @ $4,687 mil
#2 Centre John Tavares ... 79 games 27 goals 49 assists 76 points @ $11 mil
Cap Consumption Total: $15.68 mil
vs
Florida
#1 Starting Goalie Bobrovsky ... 39 wins ...................................................... @ $10 mil AAV
#2 Centre Sam Reinhart ... 78 games 33 goals 49 assists 82 points @ $6.5 mil AAV
Cap Consumption Total : $16.5 mil

If Florida's #2 Centre Reinhart can keep pace with Leafs #2 Centre Tavares statistically for $4.5 mil less then Matt Murray will need to keep win pace with Bobrovsky and his 39 wins for $5.13 mil less cap.

Essentially the advantage Leafs gain from Matt Murray to goalie Bob cap wise they lose by overpaying Tavares compared to Reinhart who produces the same stats.

I’m expecting Florida’s offense to dry up significantly this year with a double crunch in terms of defensive downgrade which they can’t fix in the short term. They also seem to be run like a video game so I would also wouldn’t be surprised to see some additional moves which results in the whole Jenga tower falling down.

 

[OVO16]

Zar looks like he's going to the Devils

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder why Rodrigues is being mentioned as Leafs option.. Been there done that.

The Evan Rodrigues era in Toronto is over .. As quickly as his legendary tenure as a Leaf began, Evan Rodrigues has decided to head back to his old team according to Pierre LeBrun of TSN:



Evan Rodrigues, who was one of the pieces acquired in the Kasperi Kapanen trade, would likely slot into the bottom-six with the ability to play both the wing and centre position. Given that cap space is tight and Toronto may want to spend that money in other areas (if you catch my drift).

His time as a Leaf began back in August when he was part of the return package that sent Kasperi Kapanen to the Pittsburgh Penguins. He must have really wanted to play with Kapanen so perhaps that’s why he decided to go back.

Things change? It doesn't look like there is cap room in Pittsburgh for him, so he has to explore other options. I mean, it was never really been there, done that.. he never signed here, never played here.

 

[Americanadian]

Zar looks like he's going to the Devils

I really don’t get this one. They have so many bottom 6 options. ZAR, McLeod, Johnsson, Bastian, Wood, Zetterlund, Mercer, Haula, Boqvist and that’s assuming Tatar plays top 6. If Holtz cracks the top 6 then include Tatar to that list of bottom 6 players. The Leafs should be all over anybody on that list that gets waived.

Edit: forgot Nolan Foote is there too.

 

[Mess]

I’m expecting Florida’s offense to dry up significantly this year with a double crunch in terms of defensive downgrade which they can’t fix in the short term. They also seem to be run like a video game so I would also wouldn’t be surprised to see some additional moves which results in the whole Jenga tower falling down.

Florida surprised me last year as I had them battling for the 3rd/4th in the Atlantic Div. I didn't really trust them then and not really now either. Expect them to take a few steps back, but they are set up better down the road after this trade. IMO .. They likely be battling for the WC spot as they reset.

However the Florida Panthers did break NHL’s record for goals scored during salary cap era with 340 Goals for. That’s an average of 4.15 goals per game , making them the first NHL team to average north of four goals a game since the 1995-96 Pittsburgh Penguins did it with Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr.

Our Leafs with Auston popping 60 himself finished 2nd in GF with 315 and with Mitch and WIlly having career goal scoring years also. So Florida had a +25 GF more advantage than the next best team and room to drop. Tkachuk scored 42 and a better goal scorer Huberdeau 30.

For me I watching closely when our Leafs contracts of our core 4 end in 2-3 years and then how their new cap hits position them in the Atlantic.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

well yeah he's definitely better than the Heinen/Milano typed we've been hearing about.

At the same time, we do need capspace and he's the guy of our real caphits that we can probably most effectively replace for cheap and/or internally.

Why do we need cap space? We have guys in our system we can use to start the year ie Robertson then trade out Kerfoot to sign 2 players.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Ah yes.. the jimmy vesey experience

Rodrigues proved us right though. He got 2 mill from PIT that year and only put up 14 points in 35 games. Not exactly great value for the money, and that is why he needed to take half of that the next year. Ultimately, he broke out that year, and it is looking like teams do not have confidence in him repeating it... Or at least not for any kind of high sum.

Vesey maybe didn't work out, but he only made 900k so he was fully buried (or ultimately claimed).

Not really missing out on anything either way.

 

[jaric1862]

if these guys could actually do this shit with relevant information like using tiers for:

quality of competition
average ice time
and opposition forward tendencies (some lines rush some dump and chase)

stupid thing can't even read some of the f*#&ing names..

This x1000.

The amount of people who thought Dermott would be a Top-4 D because he put up good numbers playing 13-15 minutes against the other teams bottom lines is great example of this.

 

[Americanadian]

Rodrigues proved us right though. He got 2 mill from PIT that year and only put up 14 points in 35 games. Not exactly great value for the money, and that is why he needed to take half of that the next year. Ultimately, he broke out that year, and it is looking like teams do not have confidence in him repeating it... Or at least not for any kind of high sum.

Vesey maybe didn't work out, but he only made 900k so he was fully buried (or ultimately claimed).

Not really missing out on anything either way.

Rodrigues signed in Pittsburgh for 700k the off season he wasn’t QO’d by the Leafs. He signed for 2M the year before.

 

[andora]

Rodrigues proved us right though. He got 2 mill from PIT that year and only put up 14 points in 35 games. Not exactly great value for the money, and that is why he needed to take half of that the next year. Ultimately, he broke out that year, and it is looking like teams do not have confidence in him repeating it... Or at least not for any kind of high sum.

Vesey maybe didn't work out, but he only made 900k so he was fully buried (or ultimately claimed).

Not really missing out on anything either way.

Oh youre correct.. my comment was more about my reaction about vesey at the time not because of anyone it blocked

I remember looking at vesey and thornton and saying w..t..f..

 

[Mess]

Why do we need cap space? We have guys in our system we can use to start the year ie Robertson then trade out Kerfoot to sign 2 players.

Dump Kerfoot for futures to try are re-capture lost draft picks. Re-sign Rasmus Sandin with the cap space and to become cap compliant with the balance.

Play Nick Robertson in his spot in the roster beside JT.

Or as I always say "Play the Kids".

 

[andora]

I really don’t get this one. They have so many bottom 6 options. ZAR, McLeod, Johnsson, Bastian, Wood, Zetterlund, Mercer, Haula, Boqvist and that’s assuming Tatar plays top 6. If Holtz cracks the top 6 then include Tatar to that list of bottom 6 players. The Leafs should be all over anybody on that list that gets waived.

Edit: forgot Nolan Foote is there too.

Bastian and wood please

 

[Fogelhund]

Rodrigues proved us right though. He got 2 mill from PIT that year and only put up 14 points in 35 games. Not exactly great value for the money, and that is why he needed to take half of that the next year. Ultimately, he broke out that year, and it is looking like teams do not have confidence in him repeating it... Or at least not for any kind of high sum.

Vesey maybe didn't work out, but he only made 900k so he was fully buried (or ultimately claimed).

Not really missing out on anything either way.

He got $2 mil from Buffalo in an arbitration hearing.

The next year he signed for $700k with Pittsburgh, then $1 mil last year. 43 points last year. He probably will end up getting around $1 mil again... I'd say a guy who can do 30-45 points, that's good value, when he can play C, wing, selke votes, can hit, good possession numbers.

 

[Americanadian]

Bastian and wood please

For me:

1. Bastian
2. Zetterlund
3. Boqvist

Reason: price tag.

 

[andora]

For me:

1. Bastian
2. Zetterlund
3. Boqvist

Reason: price tag.

Zetterlund is a good one too

 

[zeke]

Why do we need cap space? We have guys in our system we can use to start the year ie Robertson then trade out Kerfoot to sign 2 players.

we're bang up against the cap even with Sandin unsigned. Once Sandin signs we need to move at least one decent caphit out. Holl and Kerfoot would be the easiest to sacrifice. Holl the easiest because we have 6 good starting D besides him, Kerfoot the next easiest though that would be a little harder to replace internally (though a kid could well break through and do that).

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

Dump Kerfoot for futures to try are re-capture lost draft picks. Re-sign Rasmus Sandin with the cap space and to become cap compliant with the balance.

Play Nick Robertson in his spot in the roster beside JT.

Or as I always say "Play the Kids".

Why are we dumping Kerfoot to recoup assets in a win mode season for Dubas/Shanny? A season that both could very well be canned. They’ll hope sandin signs an offer sheet or settles on 1 year 1M type deal.

Why does this make any sense to play the kids? They’ll move Kerfoot closer to deadline if offense is dry.

we're bang up against the cap even with Sandin unsigned. Once Sandin signs we need to move at least one decent caphit out. Holl and Kerfoot would be the easiest to sacrifice. Holl the easiest because we have 6 good starting D besides him, Kerfoot the next easiest though that would be a little harder to replace internally (though a kid could well break through and do that).

I don’t see Kerfoot moving out unless you’re getting a better player.

 

[zeke]

I don’t see Kerfoot moving out unless you’re getting a better player.

we need to move some cap out to sign Sandin.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

we need to move some cap out to sign Sandin.

It won’t be Kerfoot. Wait, watch and see.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I think if Milano/Rodrigrues/Stastny want to take a really cheap deal, then its a no brainer. That relies on them wanting to do that though.

Otherwise I expect we see one of Holl/Kerfoot moved, Sandin signed - and they give various Marlies a chance up front. Accrue some cap space leading up to the deadline - monitor how those Marlies have played (Robertson) - add Knies after his college season, and go get the best rental forward (assuming they don't need a goalie, or run into a multitude of injuries on the backend) they can.

It doesn't seem that flashy, but people forget opening night Ritchie was penciled onto the top line. Its going to change from what it looks like early in camp - they have elite players, they'll move pieces around to find an optimal look with what they have and then add to it at the deadline.

 

[Havoc]

logged on for some juicy rumors and talk of the town is 2020 recap of Evan Rodrigues.

I'm out

 

[zeke]

It won’t be Kerfoot. Wait, watch and see.

Personally I think he's the right candidate.

Any other notable caphit on the team is a more crucial and harder to replace piece.

And of course he has an empty caphit where his salary is actually only league minimum, which should make him more attractive.

 

[LeafChief]

I keep forgetting Stastny is still out there too.

How did he look last year? I see the points were there but what about everything else?