Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Nylander88]

An original day 1 FA target for a good handful of us was ZAR. I'm quite surprised he hasn't found a new home yet.

 

[WTFMAN99]

An original day 1 FA target for a good handful of us was ZAR. I'm quite surprised he hasn't found a new home yet.

Heinen I think took a 100k pay cut or didn't get a raise at all after nearly popping 20.

 

[aingefan]

The UFA market floods with 3rd/4th line types lately, making it tough and stiff competition for future 3rd/4th line types. Like JoeyA and Malgin this year. Amadio and Brooks last year.
Relatively interchangeable though, so, turnover is reasonable and it should spark good competition.

 

[Americanadian]

Kerfoot literally gets paid league minimum for any non-cap team, came in at 1.5gsva last year.

Bjorkstrand gets 5x$5.4m in caphit and even more in actual money, and came in at 1.9gsva last year.

3.5M against the cap though. I argued with someone in here before FA that there’s no chance Kerfoot returns a 2nd and now I’m confident he won’t even fetch a 3rd.

Kerfoot is more of a steal on his contract than Bjorkstrand.

A 60 point offensive winger making 5.5 mill is not a steal, and he hasn't even hit 60 points officially yet. He is making market right now; maybe the low end range of his market.

You wouldn't get Kerfoot for under 4 mill in UFA based on the market this year, and you would probably need to give him extra years to get him at that number. Mikheyev just got 4.75 mill x 4 at the same age as Kerfoot and I don't think Mikheyev is a better player than Kerfoot. If Kerfoot puts up another year like this one, he could easily be north of 5 mill as a UFA next year. Frank Vatrano, who has never been more than a bottom 6er in his career, got 3 x 3.65 mill this year.

The same Vatrano who played on the Rangers top line all the way to the conference final? The same Vatrano who has paced 20 goals/82 his entire career? Look at Rodrigues if you want Kerfoot’s market.

 

[WTFMAN99]

3.5M against the cap though. I argued with someone in here before FA that there’s no chance Kerfoot returns a 2nd and now I’m confident he won’t even fetch a 3rd.


The same Vatrano who played on the Rangers top line all the way to the conference final? The same Vatrano who has paced 20 goals/82 his entire career? Look at Rodrigues if you want Kerfoot’s market.

Mikhayev for better or worse is large and a great penalty killer.

Kerfoot maybe does a bit better if a team sees him as a centre but he was more wing this year and did better playing wing than he did at centre.

 

[Menzinger]

An original day 1 FA target for a good handful of us was ZAR. I'm quite surprised he hasn't found a new home yet.

He might be asking for more than teams are willing to pay.

 

[LeafChief]

Jets reporters reporting the Jets offered Heinen a more 'lucrative' deal but he wanted to stay with Pitt.

 

[Burnie97]

Jets reporters reporting the Jets offered Heinen a more 'lucrative' deal but he wanted to stay with Pitt.

Don't blame him.

 

[Stephen]

I'm hoping Matt Murray has a Bobrovsky like year like he just had.

54 games 39 wins 7 losses 3 OTL 4 SO with a GAA 2.67 and SV% 0.913 and 4th in Goals Saved above Expected at 23.4

If he does it would be a huge bounce back year posting stats similar to 2016 and Leafs would be sitting pretty.

PS. No Leafs goalie in team history has ever won 39 games in a single season.

That would be fine for a $4.7 million goalie but it all comes down to what could be done with the extra $5.3 million premium paid for a guy like Bob. That represents a Brodie or Muzzin level defenseman which Florida doesn’t have.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Me: We need a formidable player like JT Miller
Dubas: We have JT Miller at home

JT Miller at home:

 

[SprDaVE]

This off-season has been so slow and excruciating outside of the mega trade.

I still have no idea what the Leafs will do. All I know is they have to do something, even if minor in return. They aren't the only team that needs to do something either.

 

[Amadeus]

Jets reporters reporting the Jets offered Heinen a more 'lucrative' deal but he wanted to stay with Pitt.

It indeed is a struggle for these guys to attract and retain their own talent.

Surprised that I haven't heard much about Scheifele and Wheeler in the offseason.

 

[andora]

Winnipeg needs one of them gone to re set the room

But who needs either of those guys right now and can make it work dollar wise and has players to send back to work value

 

[TheDoldrums]

just ltir Muzzin until the playoffs under suspicious circumstances. We can sign Sandin and give him a regular lineup spot, we'll be fine to make the playoffs without jake

we've been watching teams like tampa and vegas punk us with their cap shenanigans, let's remind everyone we're the original cap manipulators. Robidas Island rises once more!

 

[andora]

Thoughts on sandin at 3 yrs 4.8 million (1.6 per)

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Well I mean we went grit up front even overpaid for it and it blew up in our face. May as well try the other theory. In fact a lot of Dubas's bad moves have been ones where he went big and gritty. Simmonds? Clifford? A first round pick for Foligno? Thornton? Ritchie? Lyb?
It's funny the times the 4th line was actually decent was when we had speed and skill on it.

It drives me crazy where even after the grit experiment has failed many times, we still hear we need to add more grit. How about we value ability first and if they come with grit, even better? You know when teams with gritty players actually work? It's when those players can actually play. I can guarantee you it's not because they have unplayable guys like Clifford or Simmonds in the lineup. Dubas's downfall that might lead to his firing is because he went too far towards the grit side. I have wondered if Dubas had a do over, and built the team he wanted that would he have done these moves? It felt he listened to the media too much and maybe some fans as well? Not directed at anyone just a general statement.
I remember after the loss against Montreal, CJ mentioned that if you get some truth serum of Dubas, he would say he wish he went more after Hall. That makes you wonder if Foligno was even his call.

The problem is most of the grit we've acquired has been past their prime which is all we can afford unfortunately. If we had prime Clifford and Simmonds, it would be different story.

We could use some modern day physical players. Guys that have youthful speed that get in on the forecheck hard and have enough skill to make plays. That's why I can't wait for some of our prospects to make an impact in a couple years. Guys like Knies, Minten, Hirvonen, Tverberg who bring different skill sets and varying degrees of grit and two way play to help round out the lineup and keep an identity of a speed game going. Having Thornton, Ritchie, Simmonds, Clifford slowed us down.

Amirov Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Robertson Minten Holmberg
Hirvonen Kampf Tverberg

For example.

 

[Fogelhund]

Thoughts on sandin at 3 yrs 4.8 million (1.6 per)

I'd say do it, and do it now if that's the price.

This off-season has been so slow and excruciating outside of the mega trade.

I still have no idea what the Leafs will do. All I know is they have to do something, even if minor in return. They aren't the only team that needs to do something either.

Moving cap is going to be a major story the rest of the summer. It appears to be incredibly difficult. It wouldn't shock me at all, to see some cap shenanigans at some point.

 

[TheDoldrums]

since the other chart was so well received (lol), here's one where Rielly looks good

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

 

[ACC1224]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

That's why most take these things with a grain of salt.

 

[TheDoldrums]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

The other chart I posted was simply looking at preventing zone entries, it wasn't attempting to quantify the best shut down defenseman.

 

[zeke]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

It's not hard to understand - the Leafs have lots and lots of good dmen. Their worst is still a good dman.

well, at least since they ditched Boosh.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

Fairly easy. He is a guy who is at his best when you don't notice him. He does that the vast majority of the time, and that is why he is a good defenseman.

The only times Leafs fans notice him is when he makes a mistake, and they are biased towards thinking that is who he is all the time. Judge even the best defensemen in the league by their worst moments alone and none of them look like NHLers.

It happened with guys like Ceci too, and in a different way, applies to some of our forwards as well (Tavares probably the most prominent of the group).

Eye test is all well and good, but most fans' eye tests are not all that good and most players have analytics which do not stray too far away from their actual play. Holl, when you actually pay attention all of the time and not just when he screws up, is a much better defenseman than for what he gets credited.

 

[LeafChief]

These charts are interesting and worthy of consideration. However, I find it very hard to understand (on a prior chart) how Justin Holl is considered our best shut down defenseman when he makes glaring mistakes more frequently than anyone else.

Just doesn't make sense to me how arguably our worst D is actually the best. I don't understand.

You can't really look at any one chart or graph as gospel. A lot of them measure very specific things. Even looking at all of them together only tells so much of the story.

It's a very good tool and all teams should be using it to their advantage but they shouldn't be used without other scouting tools as well. They should add depth to the decision makng process but they shouldn't be the only reason for a decision.

 

[leafsfan5]

since the other chart was so well received (lol), here's one where Rielly looks good

Colorado has 5 of their 6 d-men in the best puck-movers category lol