Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[Fogelhund]

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Elliotte Friedman

Chychrun - Thinks Blues are interested, but that Ottawa is really interested, but that it's not close. Arizona would want Pinto, but Ottawa wouldn't do that. Ottawa really values Pinto. Noting that it's not just Pinto being not included has stopped it, they aren't that close otherwise. Chychrun has been injured a lot, and is injured again... that people are looking at it with Ryan Ellis in mind... a buyer beware situation. Arizona looking at essentially three first round picks... but probably two prospect/players (who would be equivalent of a first, or were) and a first pick. Some teams are wondering how this plays out once he's healthy this year... it will be uncomfortable with him in Arizona.

 

[LeafChief]

 

[Fogelhund]

I posted that in the Sandin thread earlier. Link for podcast above your post in my Chychrun comments. Further comments on Sandin...


Elliotte Friedman believes that Sandin will sign soon. For whatever it's worth. He says 2 x $1.5.

He thinks this is too big a season for Sandin, the opportunity excuse is going away, with Liljegren injured and Muzzin potentially out, that Sandin really needs to come in a show what he can do.

 

[LeafChief]

I posted that in the Sandin thread earlier. Link for podcast above your post in my Chychrun comments. Further comments on Sandin...


Elliotte Friedman believes that Sandin will sign soon. For whatever it's worth. He says 2 x $1.5.

He thinks this is too big a season for Sandin, the opportunity excuse is going away, with Liljegren injured and Muzzin potentially out, that Sandin really needs to come in a show what he can do.

Really petty on his part if he's held out and made a scene of this to get $100k more than Liljegren.

 

[Fogelhund]

Really petty on his part if he's held out and made a scene of this so get $100k more than Liljegren.

Just my opinion, but it's not my money, and I don't care much. He'll sign, it will be for whatever... just come in and play well, and nobody will care how the negotiations went.

 

[SprDaVE]

I posted that in the Sandin thread earlier. Link for podcast above your post in my Chychrun comments. Further comments on Sandin...


Elliotte Friedman believes that Sandin will sign soon. For whatever it's worth. He says 2 x $1.5.

He thinks this is too big a season for Sandin, the opportunity excuse is going away, with Liljegren injured and Muzzin potentially out, that Sandin really needs to come in a show what he can do.

It's pretty much the Dermott extension and probably with the same understanding. If you ain't being used, we'll trade you to a team that will.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Really petty on his part if he's held out and made a scene of this to get $100k more than Liljegren.

I don't see the issue, young man wants to be paid what he's worth. 100k is a significant % of 1.5m, I am sure you would fight rather than allow your employer to pay you 7% less than you feel you are worth.

 

[123offtheglass]

I'd be fine with 2x1.5m, not as good as the Liljegren deal or the Mikey Anderson 1x1m... but it's still fair.

If 100k more than Liljegren gets him to sign then so be it, I'd easily sign Liljegren to 2x1.5m.

 

[Stephen]

It's pretty much the Dermott extension and probably with the same understanding. If you ain't being used, we'll trade you to a team that will.

I don't think we should be be making those kind of promises to players to be honest... often times these guys aren't useable in the moment, but having an extra couple of years of Alexander Barabanov would be preferable to have done him a solid letting him go with no benefit to the organization. Players ought to make a decision to sign with the Leafs for X dollars and Y years that makes sense for them, and beyond that there's no guarantee of anything.

 

[Stephen]

I'd be fine with 2x1.5m, not as good as the Liljegren deal or the Mikey Anderson 1x1m... but it's still fair.

If 100k more than Liljegren gets him to sign then so be it, I'd easily sign Liljegren to 2x1.5m.

The idea of Sandin drawing a line and saying he's better than Liljegren by $100K (if that's what it is) annoys me. I don't think we need that kind of marginal ego and status thing in the room between two guys who are also friends. Put me on Team Liljegren.

 

[Fogelhund]

The idea of Sandin drawing a line and saying he's better than Liljegren by $100K (if that's what it is) annoys me. I don't think we need that kind of marginal ego and status thing in the room between two guys who are also friends. Put me on Team Liljegren.

and yet there is no evidence that is what has happened.

 

[Cor]

Sandin held out to get 100K more than Liljegren?

Good job I guess.

The idea of Sandin drawing a line and saying he's better than Liljegren by $100K (if that's what it is) annoys me. I don't think we need that kind of marginal ego and status thing in the room between two guys who are also friends. Put me on Team Liljegren.

It’s weird. I don’t get it. He’s just put himself behind for no reason.

 

[Fogelhund]

Sandin held out to get 100K more than Liljegren?

Good job I guess.



It’s weird. I don’t get it. He’s just put himself behind for no reason.

There is nothing behind this assertion that he is holding out for $100k more.

This is all based on Elliott’s Friedman saying today he THINKS Sandin will be signed soon, and THINKS it will be around $1.5 mil.

There was no mention of holding out for more than Lilj, just a s guess as to where the contract may end up.

 

[Stephen]

and yet there is no evidence that is what has happened.

I'm just responding to Friedman's speculation above, at 2x years $1.5 million.

 

[Stephen]

There is nothing behind this assertion that he is holding out for $100k more.

This is all based on Elliott’s Friedman saying today he THINKS Sandin will be signed soon, and THINKS it will be around $1.5 mil.

There was no mention of holding out for more than Lilj, just a s guess as to where the contract may end up.

That's the exact same thing though. From the reports that have been floated out there they were offered the same contract. So after the months long saga and he signs for $100K more AAV, I dunno, not impressed.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm just responding to Friedman's speculation above, at 2x years $1.5 million.

Yes, I posted that first earlier today, after listening to the show. It was speculating what he’d end up signing around. This framing that he’s holding out for $100k more is based on nothing.

 

[Fogelhund]

That's the exact same thing though. From the reports that have been floated out there they were offered the same contract. So after the months long saga and he signs for $100K more AAV, I dunno, not impressed.

And yet it’s not the same thing. You’ve added characterizations to it. “He has drawn a line that he’s $100k better”. I mean that’s a completely fictitious statement. He might end signing for $1.2, $1.4, $1.6… 2 years, 3 years, 4 years who knows. Friedman is just guessing, and knows no more than we do. We don’t even know what the differences are at this point.

 

[123offtheglass]

The idea of Sandin drawing a line and saying he's better than Liljegren by $100K (if that's what it is) annoys me. I don't think we need that kind of marginal ego and status thing in the room between two guys who are also friends. Put me on Team Liljegren.

100k in the range of 1.4m-1.5m is significant enough to me that maybe it's not so much ego, more business.

He could justly think that Liljegren took a pay cut or was underpaid, & he's trying to negotiate for a fair deal of his own. There's still time to see how this plays out; it was just a prediction by Friedman.

 

[jiggy35]

Trade Kerfoot to Anaheim for Grant + pick.

Sign Sandin and ZAR 1x1.

Give Holmberg and Malgin/Robertson a chance to start the season.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Malgin/Robertson
Engvall - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Grant
NAK (he really doesn’t impress me)

Rielly - Lilly
Muzzin - Brodie
Gio - Sandin/Holl

Samsonov
Murray

Alternative forward group:

Nylander - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Holmberg - Malgin/Robertson
ZAR - Kampf - Grant
NAK

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Trade Kerfoot to Anaheim for Grant + pick.

Sign Sandin and ZAR 1x1.

Give Holmberg and Malgin/Robertson a chance to start the season.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Malgin/Robertson
Engvall - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
ZAR - Kampf - Grant
NAK (he really doesn’t impress me)

Rielly - Lilly
Muzzin - Brodie
Gio - Sandin/Holl

Samsonov
Murray

Alternative forward group:

Nylander - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Holmberg - Malgin/Robertson
ZAR - Kampf - Grant
NAK

Nak is going to be an every day presence in the lineup . Holmberg will start on the Marlies, and what exactly has Malgin accomplished to get top 6 minutes ? Don't see it . Robertson hasn't looked great as of yet but at least potential wise it makes a bit of sense

 

[ULF_55]

100k in the range of 1.4m-1.5m is significant enough to me that maybe it's not so much ego, more business.

He could justly think that Liljegren took a pay cut or was underpaid, & he's trying to negotiate for a fair deal of his own. There's still time to see how this plays out; it was just a prediction by Friedman.

Do we have a link that Dubas offered him Liljegren's contract?

I'd speculate he did, but that isn't fact.

 

[Fogelhund]

Do we have a link that Dubas offered him Liljegren's contract?

I'd speculate he did, but that isn't fact.

No... nothing out there on the offer, or what Sandin wants.

 

[jiggy35]

Nak is going to be an every day presence in the lineup . Holmberg will start on the Marlies, and what exactly has Malgin accomplished to get top 6 minutes ? Don't see it . Robertson hasn't looked great as of yet but at least potential wise it makes a bit of sense

Who’s your sixth top 6 guy then? And how do we fit it all under the cap? Honest questions.

Agree Holmberg would be an early test. If it doesn’t pan then NAK is back in starting lineup.

Don’t see how we keep Kerfoot in any scenario w Sandin, ZAR signed + extra man or two on roster. Trading Holl basically the only other option but I’d prefer the D depth

 

[Fogelhund]

I get that Knight is likely to be a very good goalie, but spending $4.5 x 3, on a guy with 36 career games, and spending $14.5 mil on goaltending certainly is an interesting choice.

 

[kb]

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I get that Knight is likely to be a very good goalie, but spending $4.5 x 3, on a guy with 36 career games, and spending $14.5 mil on goaltending certainly is an interesting choice.

That's......insane.