Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

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A McDavid or Matthews type has never made it to UFA so we don't have any history to base it on.
In your example, I'm sure Vegas would happily dump either of those guys plus whatever else to make room for either.

Yeah, I'm sure they would happily dump contracts left right and center, but the question is how many contracts do you dump until you're even close to clearing the cap and have a full roster compliment of replacements. And when all is said and done, does your team even resemble the contender that would have made you an attractive competitive team. All Toronto would have to do in a pure bidding war to get to $15 million is find $3.4 million.
 
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There are a lot of posters who just shit on every move the GM makes, so to extend an olive branch I would like to know who people would target in a trade?

Any position, any idea. Keep it civil, but all trade ideas are welcome. The more unique the better.
 
Who i would love?
Dillon Dube and Vladislav Gavrikov

Realistically i have had thoughta about Adam Erne, Nick Bonino, Kevin Shattenkirk, and Will Borgen
 
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I'd move our first this year and next and one of Amirov / Knies / Sandin for P. Kane @ 50% and whoever it took to even out the cap
 
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That’s not what we were discussing
Not in the same league as those two, but a highly desirable UFA with a big price tag. Admittedly we didn't have to clear as much cap in advance, because of our stars being still on entry level contracts, but it has cost us good players after rather than before.
 
Patrick Kane, he's available and would fit the team like a glove. We don't score enough as the series gets longer and tougher, so why not get one of the most clutch players in the NHL? If we put him with Matthews we could have something like this:

xxx- Matthews - Kane
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
xxx - xxx - Nylander
ZAR- Kampf - NAK

Fill the remaining positions in with who you would like, but this outline provides us with more scoring depth and an optimal lineup. Tavares works best with Marner, Matthews still gets an elite winger, Nylander can play the Kessel in Pittsburgh role on line 3, and the 4th line is for pure defensive usage.

I get Dubas' reasons for not preferring rentals, but this is one you shouldn't pass on. Especially with your job on the line
 
There are a lot of posters who just shit on every move the GM makes, so to extend an olive branch I would like to know who people would target in a trade?

Any position, any idea. Keep it civil, but all trade ideas are welcome. The more unique the better.
I'd like a proper 3C, we've spent the last 3 years forcing guys into thay role. I like Kerfoot but he's a winger who can play C, I like Kampf but he's really a high end 4C. Engvall has been used a bit, Blackwell was tried, again wingers who can play C, Jarnkrok and Gaudette seem to be C options this year and again players who are better as wingers.

Michael McLeod has been a target of mine for a while, good defensively, kills penalties, strong on the draw, right shot, physical, fast. But not much offense - really more of a high end 4C so not an ideal fit. I do think there's two way 3C upside if you run him on a 'speed' line with two of Kerfoot / Engvall / Jarnkrok / Nylander
 
Yeah, I'm sure they would happily dump contracts left right and center, but the question is how many contracts do you dump until you're even close to clearing the cap and have a full roster compliment of replacements. And when all is said and done, does your team even resemble the contender that would have made you an attractive competitive team. All Toronto would have to do in a pure bidding war to get to $15 million is find $3.4 million.
I agree there would be many implications and it may not even be the best move. All I’m saying is many teams would do it for those type of rare players.
Hypothetically if McDavid was UFA next year would you not expect the Leafs to do whatever it takes to bring him in?
 
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Yeah, I'm sure they would happily dump contracts left right and center, but the question is how many contracts do you dump until you're even close to clearing the cap and have a full roster compliment of replacements. And when all is said and done, does your team even resemble the contender that would have made you an attractive competitive team. All Toronto would have to do in a pure bidding war to get to $15 million is find $3.4 million.
Leafs will pay Matthews whatever the max is at the time. No one else can possibly pay more.
 
Kane would make us so disgusting but it would just be for this year. No way we would re-sign him the following year. And if we did have a chance to sign him the following year, we may as well wait and just sign him without giving away assets. He likely will be very interested in signing here. Our window is quite large with Matthews and Marner, and we need good young players on the cheap to be on the roster. Knies, Niemela, Sandin and Robertson could be important pieces in getting us over the top and we havent drafted a 1st round pick in a few years. As much as i'd love Kane, it should not happen unless the price is fairly cheap.
 
Leafs win if they acquire Chychrun and Kane. IMO (but it's a go for broke)
A lot easier said than done; but both should be available and the ROI is worth it.


Probably done this exact trade a few times -- but get it done!

TOR - Kane (double retained) + Chychrun
CHI - Nylander + Retention on Kane* + Holl
ARI - Kerfoot + Knies + 1st + Retention on Kane*


Also:
Sandin + Anderson for Comtois + pick

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Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Comtois-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-Engvall
ZAR-Kampf-NAK
Gaudette

Rielly-Chychrun
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Liljgren
Benn/Mete
 
Leafs win if they acquire Chychrun and Kane. IMO (but it's a go for broke)
A lot easier said than done; but both should be available and the ROI is worth it.


Probably done this exact trade a few times -- but get it done!

TOR - Kane (double retained) + Chychrun
CHI - Nylander + Retention on Kane* + Holl
ARI - Kerfoot + Knies + 1st + Retention on Kane*


Also:
Sandin + Anderson for Comtois + pick

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Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Comtois-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-Engvall
ZAR-Kampf-NAK
Gaudette

Rielly-Chychrun
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Liljgren
Benn/Mete
Why? A 34 yo Kane is not that much better than a 26 yo Nylander. Nylander most likely will out-produce Kane in the next 2 NHL seasons. They're both super careful about avoiding contact. They're almost identical types of players only Kane was in a higher bracket. Kane is a player you add because you lack offense not a player to turn around a team's chemistry.
 
Leafs win if they acquire Chychrun and Kane. IMO (but it's a go for broke)
A lot easier said than done; but both should be available and the ROI is worth it.


Probably done this exact trade a few times -- but get it done!

TOR - Kane (double retained) + Chychrun
CHI - Nylander + Retention on Kane* + Holl
ARI - Kerfoot + Knies + 1st + Retention on Kane*


Also:
Sandin + Anderson for Comtois + pick

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Bunting-Matthews-Kane
Comtois-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Jarnkrok-Engvall
ZAR-Kampf-NAK
Gaudette

Rielly-Chychrun
Muzzin-Brodie
Giordano-Liljgren
Benn/Mete
Sure... then the goalie sucks in round, we lose again, Kane walks and we are a team that has closed their window... probably resulting in Matthews leaving instead of extending. Doesn't sound very attractive to me at all.
 
Sure... then the goalie sucks in round, we lose again, Kane walks and we are a team that has closed their window... probably resulting in Matthews leaving instead of extending. Doesn't sound very attractive to me at all.
The user's secenario is something we look at near the deadline if the goalies are good
 
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Sure... then the goalie sucks in round, we lose again, Kane walks and we are a team that has closed their window... probably resulting in Matthews leaving instead of extending. Doesn't sound very attractive to me at all.

Kane would be great but not at this stage of his career and not for Nylander. The truth is, there is no magic bullet other than a goalie that plays lights out and they do not grow on trees. We need prospects to "pop" but given we don't have many "elite" prospects because we are trying to win every year, around and around we go.
 
Losing Nylander to get Kane is a sideways move at best.

Factor in Kane walks the next year when we would have been able to retain Nylander and still have him in our lineup for many years…

Factor in trading our Top prospect and only potential power forward LW that we have never had forever and a player that looks like a great stylistic player to work with JT….

Factor in trading Holl an Kerfoot who may not be shiny toys but can and will have value for picks, that are just being thrown away…..

The whole thing is madness and I’m honestly sick of seeing these nonsense team gutting proposals. They are so shortsighted and this team has shown nothing to indicate that they are in an all in position.
 
Kane would make us so disgusting but it would just be for this year. No way we would re-sign him the following year. And if we did have a chance to sign him the following year, we may as well wait and just sign him without giving away assets. He likely will be very interested in signing here. Our window is quite large with Matthews and Marner, and we need good young players on the cheap to be on the roster. Knies, Niemela, Sandin and Robertson could be important pieces in getting us over the top and we havent drafted a 1st round pick in a few years. As much as i'd love Kane, it should not happen unless the price is fairly cheap.

Just spitballing but I could see a narrative of Patrick Kane coming to Toronto on Claude Giroux style seniors discount to play with Matthews next summer, but probably facilitated by Nylander going out the door so his cap money could be used along with the big UFA restructuring that will occur. Kane is from Buffalo and Toronto is close… that would be an interesting scenario.
 
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Just spitballing but I could see a narrative of Patrick Kane coming to Toronto on Claude Giroux style seniors discount to play with Matthews next summer, but probably facilitated by Nylander going out the door so his cap money could be used along with the big UFA restructuring that will occur. Kane is from Buffalo and Toronto is close… that would be an interesting scenario.
I saw that you quoted me but I never made that post......weird. :eek3:
 
The user's secenario is something we look at near the deadline if the goalies are good

I just don't think the costs are worth the benefit. It doesn't matter whether it's the goalies, an injury to Matty, Marner, or some other key player. Sacrificing the future for one shot, just isn't palatable to me, when so much can go wrong. You can build a great team, but luck is still a component, and not a small one of winning the cup.

Chycrhun at the RIGHT price, I can see that. Three years of control, and I think in time he's an excellent D man. But right now the ask is around Knies, 1st and a 2nd minimum, before you ask them to take on players. I like the guy, but he's injured a lot... has only played 70% of his games the last 5 years. To pay a massive premium doesn't seem wise. Clearly they are asking a lot, as there has been plenty of interest around the league, but nobody willing to pay the price.

A few weeks of Kane, and a playoff run for Nylander is an absolute no go for me.

This is typical of Leafs fans wanting the shiny toys though... we have the shiny toys already... if we need anything, it's the meat and potatoes to make it work.
 
Yeah, I'm sure they would happily dump contracts left right and center, but the question is how many contracts do you dump until you're even close to clearing the cap and have a full roster compliment of replacements. And when all is said and done, does your team even resemble the contender that would have made you an attractive competitive team. All Toronto would have to do in a pure bidding war to get to $15 million is find $3.4 million.
Plus an extra year.
 
I'd like to give someone within the organization (i.e., a kid like Robertson) some rope and see what he can achieve midway through the season. By the trade deadline we'll have a better idea of what teams are sellers. Then we can maybe make a play for a third line type of player with some upside.

I don't like the prices being bandied about for the more premium pieces at this time, being Kane and Chychrun, but at least Chychrun has some term and is on a decent contract. The fact he hasn't been traded yet should tell us the Coyotes are looking for a small ransom.
 
First off I don't have a problem with him. People will present many reasons for not trading him and they would be perfectly valid.

I just see many own-rentals on the horizon. Bunting is a lot of what we have already, but not as skilled as our big contract forwards. There's no question that he'll likely find a new contract with a team willing to pay him like a top 6 winger. Toronto will lose him for nothing. if people see some kind of sneaky value here then why doesn't Dubas move him for a forward who offers something different. Matthews is learning to impose his size more, Marner is not imposing, and Bunting does not impose much.

Would a left winger with size and jam (and with term) be the most prudent thing here.

Toronto doesn't have prospects or draft picks to bring in a different player. Bunting could be the guy.

I'm just trying to think creatively here because the own rental line-up has been too loaded for too long.
 
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