Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[zeke]

How much money do you guys think Sandin is asking for? Bigger $ in what way?

Majority of this place thinks Sandin > Durzi but at the same time Durzi acts as a cap on Sandin's contract . Can't make this stuff up.

If Durzi is 1.7 x 2 there is no drama behind Sandin wanting 3 years in the 2 mil range so you people need to relax with the Sandin takes.

If he wanted only $2m x 3yrs he'd be signed already.

 

[Havoc]

If he wanted only $2m x 3yrs he'd be signed already.

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest Sandin's camp is asking for more than 2.xx AAV over 3 years. If you have any then show me and I'll reconsider my opinion on the situation.

 

[zeke]

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest Sandin's camp is asking for more than 2.xx AAV over 3 years. If you have any then show me and I'll reconsider my opinion on the situation.

what evidence have you seen about any of his contract demands?

$2m for 3yrs and he'd be signed already.

 

[Kiwi]

In the same vein, Sandin has to realize it is his career and the team really has different goals than he does. The team doesn't care about the individual, so the individual has to. We can sugarcoat it and say the team cares about all their players, but really it doesn't except to benefit from that player. So some players get kid glove treatment and are never punished while others are always under scrutiny.

Winning isn't about the players, it's about the franchise and the money.

He needs to realise the position he's in, I'm all for fighting for the best possible deal but he has zero leverage right now

That's why I'd tell him to sign something shortish and get into camp

Fight your way into the lineup and come at this in a few years time in a better negotiating position

Then you can dictate terms

I have to believe Dubas realizes that the team has the stronger bargaining position, and won't want to be seen as caving yet again in a contract negotiation with an RFA. Durzi's contract does not help Sandin's case for bigger $ at all.

Yep, I'm struggling to see why Dubas wouldn't just wait him out

Dubas couldn't be in a better negotiating position

 

[Havoc]

what evidence have you seen about any of his contract demands?

$2m for 3yrs and he'd be signed already.

It's old news that the most credible structure we seen was Friedman saying Sandin is using the Boqvist deal as his leverage.

That caps Sandin at 2.6 x 3 (or w/e the equivalent is extending beyond 3 years). That's why I say 2.xx because I don't know where exactly in that 2-2.6 range Sandin will end up falling if he gets his wish.

 

[kb]

It's old news that the most credible structure we seen was Friedman saying Sandin is using the Boqvist deal as his leverage.

That caps Sandin at 2.6 x 3. That's why I say 2.xx because I don't know where exactly in that 2-2.6 range Sandin will end up falling if he gets his wish.

He's no Boqvist, and he most certainly doesn't have his pedigree draft-wise or otherwise.

Either him or his agent are just flat out dumb. He's worth Liljegren money at most on this team, or he can carve out a nice career in the SHL.

 

[ACC1224]

How much money do you guys think Sandin is asking for? Bigger $ in what way?

Majority of this place thinks Sandin > Durzi but at the same time Durzi acts as a cap on Sandin's contract . Can't make this stuff up.

If Durzi is 1.7 x 2 there is no drama behind Sandin wanting 3 years in the 2 mil range so you people need to relax with the Sandin takes.

Really? I think most would take Durzi.
IMO internally he needs to slot in under Lilligren

 

[Havoc]

He's no Boqvist, and he most certainly doesn't have his pedigree draft-wise or otherwise.

Either him or his agent are just flat out dumb. He's worth Liljegren money at most on this team, or he can carve out a nice career in the SHL.

Now we're going in circles though. That's why I asked what is this big money people think he's asking for? Zeke is okay with 2 x 3, so how much over 2 is suddenly flat out dumb?

It's capped at 2.6. If Durzi gets 3 years his AAV will be higher than 1.7 and Sandin > Durzi. So it holds that the negativity around Sandin is unwarranted. Worst case he gets exact Boqvist value which I agree he doesn't deserve. I'd be fine with Jake Bean as the cap.

Really? I think most would take Durzi.
IMO internally he needs to slot in under Lilligren

Maybe I'm wrong about majority but my experience with sandin / durzi discussions in the past and this summer is that you will be reprimanded if you suggest durzi is better

 

[LeafGrief]

Kerf we would need a quality middle 6 forward to replace, whereas Holl is an extra dman on this talented deep dcorps.

We went into the playoffs with eight Dmen last year. If we trade Holl, we're down to six. We're already going to be adding one depth blueline piece at the deadline, trading Holl means we're adding two and calling up a Marlie the first game there's an injury.

Kerfoot is harder to replace, but the point stands that Holl would need replacing immediately. Blueline depth is every bit as important as forward depth, doubly so considering the state of our goaltending.

 

[ACC1224]

Now we're going in circles though. That's why I asked what is this big money people think he's asking for? Zeke is okay with 2 x 3, so how much over 2 is suddenly flat out dumb?

It's capped at 2.6. If Durzi gets 3 years his AAV will be higher than 1.7 and Sandin > Durzi. So it holds that the negativity around Sandin is unwarranted. Worst case he gets exact Boqvist value which I agree he doesn't deserve. I'd be fine with Jake Bean as the cap.


Maybe I'm wrong about majority but my experience with sandin / durzi discussions in the past and this summer is that you will be reprimanded if you suggest durzi is better

Perhaps I’m wrong but I also do know that this place isn’t exactly known for objectivity.
If it’s true that Dubas chose to move Durzi over Lilligren I’d say he made a good call there. Lilligren is going to blow both Durzi and Sandin out of the water very soon

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Really? I think most would take Durzi.
IMO internally he needs to slot in under Lilligren

Sandin is better 5 on 5 and younger, but the difference is in the usage and Durzi racked up the PP points and o-zone starts to pump his stats.

offensive defensemen get paid and Sandin did not stand out in that regard last season so Durzi should have a higher salary this coming season.

 

[LeafGrief]

I highly doubt Sandin is going to get a 3y deal. More years means more cap space and we pinch pennies. If an extra year means 600k more on the cap (2x 1.4m -> 3x 2m) I doubt Dubas is interested. Next summer's cap is going to be huge as we have Bunting, Engvall, and Kampf all coming off the books, and 600k is always going to be a big deal for us.

He's likely to get a 1 year punt deal, or a 2 year deal so that he's up for his new deal at the same time as Muzzin and Brodie's contracts end. Not to mention a 3x 2m deal is paying for potential, Sandin is just not there yet in his development.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Perhaps I’m wrong but I also do know that this place isn’t exactly known for objectivity.
If it’s true that Dubas chose to move Durzi over Lilligren I’d say he made a good call there. Lilligren is going to blow both Durzi and Sandin out of the water very soon

Liljegren has the better toolset and fitness but Sandin's IQ blows his away. It's not going to be easy for Liljegren to blow Sandin out of the water if Sandin gets the same freedom to meet his potential.

I wouldn't mind if we had both of them locked up for 3 years under Boqvists cap hit as said above.

How high is too high before we turn on Liljegren? Valid question since most are okay with Sandin making the same amount.

 

[zeke]

It's old news that the most credible structure we seen was Friedman saying Sandin is using the Boqvist deal as his leverage.

That caps Sandin at 2.6 x 3 (or w/e the equivalent is extending beyond 3 years). That's why I say 2.xx because I don't know where exactly in that 2-2.6 range Sandin will end up falling if he gets his wish.

Sounds about right.

1-1.5 for 1yrs

1.5-2 for 2yrs

2-2.5 for 3yrs

I imagine he'd be signed already if he was willing to take the lower end of any of those.

 

[ACC1224]

Sandin is better 5 on 5 and younger, but the difference is in the usage and Durzi racked up the PP points and o-zone starts to pump his stats.

offensive defensemen get paid and Sandin did not stand out in that regard last season so Durzi should have a higher salary this coming season.

I wasn't aware of the points but not surprised. Obviously haven't watched Durzi as much as Sandin but the times I have he looked all around better.
I don't think Sandin is bad, smart player but doesn't skate well enough for me.

 

[andora]

I wasn't aware of the points but not surprised. Obviously haven't watched Durzi as much as Sandin but the times I have he looked all around better.
I don't think Sandin is bad, smart player but doesn't skate well enough for me.

I cant figure out if i love durzi or am skeptical of him. He seems that with the way he plays he creates so many events...good and bad. He works so hard that after mistakes he fights to try and correct them so hard that you can lose track of what caused the scenario in the first place

I really believe that this year is an audition for durzi and the kings.. cheap deal is tradeable if la moves on. Durzi has to clean up a lot of his game because the kings have some troops coming behind him and fast

 

[ACC1224]

I cant figure out if i love durzi or am skeptical of him. He seems that with the way he plays he creates so many events...good and bad. He works so hard that after mistakes he fights to try and correct them so hard that you can lose track of what caused the scenario in the first place

I really believe that this year is an audition for durzi and the kings.. cheap deal is tradeable if la moves on. Durzi has to clean up a lot of his game because the kings have some troops coming behind him and fast

Poll isn't particularly close.

Rasmus Sandin vs. Sean Durzi

Sandinis the better player

forums.hfboards.com

 

[andora]

Poll isn't particularly close.

Rasmus Sandin vs. Sean Durzi

Sandinis the better player

forums.hfboards.com

Meh.. durzi is very visible on the ice which can easily effect interpretation of the player

I personally would take the young defenceman with poise and smarts in sandin and lower event hockey

 

[LeafChief]

Meh.. durzi is very visible on the ice which can easily effect interpretation of the player

I personally would take the young defenceman with poise and smarts in sandin and lower event hockey

Both are very good young D. I'd be happy with either of them.

Durzi looked really good last year when Doughty went down. He got to play a good amount of PP time (which he did really well with).

 

[andora]

Both are very good young D. I'd be happy with either of them.

Durzi looked really good last year when Doughty went down. He got to play a good amount of PP time (which he did really well with).

100% he worked very well on the powerplay.. he showed his fatigue in the playoffs as a lot of the kings did in the last few games

 

[Fogelhund]

Up until last year, it was pretty clear that Sandin and Liljegren were ahead of Durzi. Durzi had a great year for sure, with opportunity to showcase his strengths, that Lilj and Sandin haven’t had yet. Under any assumption that Sandin can work on his skating, I would suggest both he and Liljegren would be better overall D. I’d rank Lilj as the best overall for now, because I don’t see limitations on him reaching his potential, as high as a complimentary #2. Sandin’s skating and Durzi’s D holding them back.

I do think it’s probable that the Leafs are looking at a 2 year deal around Lilj’s price due to cap constraints discussed above. Sandin is probably looking for that 3 year 2.x deal and the security that the Leafs are committed to him.

Kerfoot likely needs to be moved to fit him in. I’m more confident we can replace Kerfoot internally, than losing Holl… at least for this year.

 

[zeke]

Now we're going in circles though. That's why I asked what is this big money people think he's asking for? Zeke is okay with 2 x 3, so how much over 2 is suddenly flat out dumb?

Not just ok with that - $2m for 3yrs would be fantastic, but I doubt Dubas is offering that little one 3yr deal tbh.

 

[NinjaKick]

He's no Boqvist, and he most certainly doesn't have his pedigree draft-wise or otherwise.

Either him or his agent are just flat out dumb. He's worth Liljegren money at most on this team, or he can carve out a nice career in the SHL.

agreed. give Sandin the Liljegren deal or nothing

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

New York Rangers Nils Lundkvist NHL trade | TSN

New York Rangers 2018 first-round pick Nils Lundkvist will not report to training camp after requesting a trade, his agent confirmed Friday.

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Nils Ludkvist demanding trade. How much would we have to add onto Sandin to get it done? Sandin's a good player but Lundkvist's handedness in addition to his skills make him a better fit imo.

 

[justashadowof]

New York Rangers Nils Lundkvist NHL trade | TSN

New York Rangers 2018 first-round pick Nils Lundkvist will not report to training camp after requesting a trade, his agent confirmed Friday.

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Nils Ludkvist demanding trade. How much would we have to add onto Sandin to get it done? Sandin's a good player but Lundkvist's handedness in addition to his skills make him a better fit imo.

I tried suggesting this yesterday and got jumped on. I'm pretty sure that the Rangers don't want Sandin nor do they have the space to pay him anything over league minimum. He may be obtainable for a draft pick.

The attractiveness of Lundqvist is that he's on an ELC for 2 more seasons. He may need some more seasoning.