Trades and Free Agency - 2022 Off-season

[justashadowof]

If they're bringing PTO's with no chance of getting a contract I hope they're upfront with them that this is only an audition for the rest of the league and nothing else.

How about Antoine Roussel to contrast against Simmonds and Clifford? And Tyler Ennis since they know him.

There are going to be hundreds of disappointed kids going to their first Leafs' game cheering on a first power play of Alex Kerfoot, David Kampf and Joey Anderson.

 

[SprDaVE]

If they're bringing PTO's with no chance of getting a contract I hope they're upfront with them that this is only an audition for the rest of the league and nothing else.

How about Antoine Roussel to contrast against Simmonds and Clifford? And Tyler Ennis since they know him.

There are going to be hundreds of disappointed kids going to their first Leafs' game cheering on a first power play of Alex Kerfoot, David Kampf and Joey Anderson.

Edit: Never mind, I confused Roussel with Chiasson.

Roussel could be a decent PTO target. I'd be shocked if he earned a contract but who knows.

Subban seems like the perfect candidate for a PTO. A decent chance he'd be a quality option. I'd surprised if he signs a deal so close to training camp at this point. Maybe he'll show that he's healthy and all that.

 

[LeafSteel]

Where Adam Brooks be at????

 

[LeafChief]

Where Adam Brooks be at????

He's with the Flyers organization now. I still laugh about how ridiculous that whole discourse of Amadio v Brooks was last year. Both of them are pretty bad and people were absolutely freaking out.

 

[zeke]

He's with the Flyers organization now. I still laugh about how ridiculous that whole discourse of Amadio v Brooks was last year. Both of them are pretty bad and people were absolutely freaking out.

Hey he's not very good but at least the (younger) Amadio is actually a full time NHLer with a multi year contract.

 

[Menzinger]

Agreed. In a vacuum IMO Liljegren is better today - and showed it as last season progressed. But things can and do change, as at the end of the prior season Sandin was the one who had the edge.

They are similar in value, Sandin has no basis for getting more than Liljegren.

And RFAs with no arbitration rights simply don't have many options, especially if the team has no immediate need for their role in the active roster.

Hard to come up with a weaker negotiation position than Sandin's at the moment.

 

[Kiwi]

And RFAs with no arbitration rights simply don't have many options, especially if the team has no immediate need for their role in the active roster.

Hard to come up with a weaker negotiation position than Sandin's at the moment.

It's hard to understand why he doesn't just sign something short and get himself in a better negotiating position on his next contract and have more leverage to force himself out

This is a massive self own, the Leafs don't have to do **** and everybody knows it

 

[Menzinger]

It's hard to understand why he doesn't just sign something short and get himself in a better negotiating position on his next contract and have more leverage to force himself out

This is a massive self own, the Leafs don't have to do **** and everybody knows it

I suspect his agent is misreading the market in particular. There's I think a fair amount of hostility amongst fans to tough RFA positions + the front office not wanting to repeat scrutiny.

I get having some.concerns about playing time, but I think he'd be better off just getting this short deal out the way. Maybe even ask to be considered for a trade next offseason if it comes down to it.

 

[kb]

I suspect his agent is misreading the market in particular. There's I think a fair amount of hostility amongst fans to tough RFA positions + the front office not wanting to repeat scrutiny.

I get having some.concerns about playing time, but I think he'd be better off just getting this short deal out the way. Maybe even ask to be considered for a trade next offseason if it comes down to it.

I think his agent has one play (holdout), and he's a moron to do it without any leverage.

Sandin is getting screwed by his own agent. He's no Marner.

Dubas is never, ever going to treat Gross again like he's bargaining in good faith. He knows Gross is a sleazy moron now.

Fool me once.....

 

[stickty111]

Subban is a perfect # 7 to bring in on a league min. Sandin's situation might complicate it though.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I can fully respect Sandin’s desire to get more opportunity, he’s definitely an NHL player. I don’t think he’ll ever be a great defensive guy but he could end up an excellent PP guy who hangs for moments and gets his points.

He’s no Mo and less impactful than Muzzin healthy, but he showed more than Dermott ever did and is probably most comparable to Gio who’s still savvy and physical, but then Durzi 2/1.7, which the Kings were lucky to get him for, no leg to stand on.

I think he’s put himself in a bind, he doesn’t want to take two unless he gets in a lot of games but if he wants 1 then this happens again next summer.

Philly is desperate or at least they should be, I’d love to get Konecny somehow, Sandin, Holl, 3rd for Konecny @4.

 

[andora]

I can fully respect Sandin’s desire to get more opportunity, he’s definitely an NHL player. I don’t think he’ll ever be a great defensive guy but he could end up an excellent PP guy who hangs for moments and gets his points.

He’s no Mo and less impactful than Muzzin healthy, but he showed more than Dermott ever did and is probably most comparable to Gio who’s still savvy and physical, but then Durzi 2/1.7, which the Kings were lucky to get him for, no leg to stand on.

I think he’s put himself in a bind, he doesn’t want to take two unless he gets in a lot of games but if he wants 1 then this happens again next summer.

Philly is desperate or at least they should be, I’d love to get Konecny somehow, Sandin, Holl, 3rd for Konecny @4.

Konecny would be an awesome add but hes probably going to be a torts guy

 

[ULF_55]

marner didn't sign until September 13th.
Nylander didn't sign until the end of November.

September 15th. isn't exactly a dropdead date, especially when the team is likely going to make some moves.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Konecny would be an awesome add but hes probably going to be a torts guy

I know that I’ve heard that he’s (Konecny) not in love with the situation in Philly but maybe a few years back, someone should be able to find it. I would add any prospect to a deal to get him with the money lining up.

Plug him in and 70 points, easily. Painful years ahead of the Flyers, but its better than trading Provorov to the Oilers for Broberg, Yamamoto and a 2nd.

 

[andora]

I know that I’ve heard that he’s (Konecny) not in love with the situation in Philly but maybe a few years back, someone should be able to find it. I would add any prospect to a deal to get him with the money lining up.

Plug him in and 70 points, easily. Painful years ahead of the Flyers, but its better than trading Provorov to the Oilers for Broberg, Yamamoto and a 2nd.

Eww

 

[Kiwi]

I suspect his agent is misreading the market in particular. There's I think a fair amount of hostility amongst fans to tough RFA positions + the front office not wanting to repeat scrutiny.

I get having some.concerns about playing time, but I think he'd be better off just getting this short deal out the way. Maybe even ask to be considered for a trade next offseason if it comes down to it.

He needs to be here fighting for his position in the starting lineup right now because if he gets behind forcing his way into the starting lineup won't be easy

He isn't a #1D, at best he's a #5-#6D right now and those boys aren't impossible to find

Honestly if this is the agents idea I'd fire him, he isn't good enough to be a pain in the ass like Nylander or Marner during there negotiations

 

[Kiwi]

marner didn't sign until September 13th.
Nylander didn't sign until the end of November.

September 15th. isn't exactly a dropdead date, especially when the team is likely going to make some moves.

Those guys are elite offensive talents ULF, we needed them since we believed we had a window of opportunity to fight for a cup

Sandin is a good player but he isn't that and it's arguable he's worthy of making the starting lineup without having to prove he's better than his competition first

 

[andora]

Those guys are elite offensive talents ULF, we needed them since we believed we had a window of opportunity to fight for a cup

Sandin is a good player but he isn't that and it's arguable he's worthy of making the starting lineup without having to prove he's better than his competition first

There is just this little part of me that wants players to be treated equal no matter who

 

[Kiwi]

There is just this little part of me that wants players to be treated equal no matter who

Unfortunately life doesn't really work that way and I'd be pretty pissed if we let somebody in Sandin's situation start dictating to the organisation

 

[Rielly4]

Durzi at 1.7 x 2 with a higher PPG than Sandin by quite a bit.

 

[Thornbury]

Unfortunately life doesn't really work that way and I'd be pretty pissed if we let somebody in Sandin's situation start dictating to the organisation

I have to believe Dubas realizes that the team has the stronger bargaining position, and won't want to be seen as caving yet again in a contract negotiation with an RFA. Durzi's contract does not help Sandin's case for bigger $ at all.

 

[conFABulator]

I have to believe Dubas realizes that the team has the stronger bargaining position, and won't want to be seen as caving yet again in a contract negotiation with an RFA. Durzi's contract does not help Sandin's case for bigger $ at all.

I don't think he worried about being "seen as caving", I think he just doesn't want to overpay for a guy with no leverage.

Dubas' has played this properly. He hasn't rushed or cornered himself and seems to have read the market properly with no offer sheets and all of the comparables signing for numbers that work against a high number for Sandin. We have Holl, Benn and Mete that can play in his spot.

I think we are looking at Sandin caving soon at taking the Liljgren deal (or something close) or he bets on himself with a low, one year deal.
He has not other option. Sitting out or going overseas are not good decisions for a player in his position.

 

[ULF_55]

I have to believe Dubas realizes that the team has the stronger bargaining position, and won't want to be seen as caving yet again in a contract negotiation with an RFA. Durzi's contract does not help Sandin's case for bigger $ at all.

If one believes it's all about the money and not playing time or opportunity.

I think he should take a 1 year deal and if he's shut out of playing time this year request a trade. He only has one career in hockey and if he's dicked around he has to manage that.

 

[ULF_55]

Unfortunately life doesn't really work that way and I'd be pretty pissed if we let somebody in Sandin's situation start dictating to the organisation

In the same vein, Sandin has to realize it is his career and the team really has different goals than he does. The team doesn't care about the individual, so the individual has to. We can sugarcoat it and say the team cares about all their players, but really it doesn't except to benefit from that player. So some players get kid glove treatment and are never punished while others are always under scrutiny.

Winning isn't about the players, it's about the franchise and the money.

 

[Havoc]

I have to believe Dubas realizes that the team has the stronger bargaining position, and won't want to be seen as caving yet again in a contract negotiation with an RFA. Durzi's contract does not help Sandin's case for bigger $ at all.

How much money do you guys think Sandin is asking for? Bigger $ in what way?

Majority of this place thinks Sandin > Durzi but at the same time Durzi acts as a cap on Sandin's contract . Can't make this stuff up.

If Durzi is 1.7 x 2 there is no drama behind Sandin wanting 3 years in the 2 mil range so you people need to relax with the Sandin takes.