Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Knies iT]

Kerfoot should theoretically pull 4x 1st rounders based on Jfresh’s tweets. Kerf blows him out of the water.

Colton - Paul - Jeannot

Engvall - Kampf - Kerfoot/Jarnkrok

Gonna need some extra Icy Hot.

 

[Kiwi]

Ok I've got your full views on this. Thanks.

Nashville is having a system-wide scoring issue. Anyone with a fantasy hockey team should know that much. Sorry for you Forsberg and Saros owners out there, tough times...

What it looks like to me is Tampa preying on a team at a low point, attempting to buy low on a 2nd year player amidst a team that's not clicking, and putting him directly onto a fully-assembled team and line that most-assuredly, will click with him on it.

Tampa's pro scouting has been, shall we say, probably amongst the best over the past 5+ years...

We're seeing them in action again with this trade.

You hate it though, that's definitely an opinion, and we'll see what happens.

They are rolling the dice, it seems highly unlikely to me he's somebody that can shoot at 20% consistently, you have to be bloody good to do that with any consistency at all and that's what he did last season

His shooting percentage has normalized and he's doing bugger all, he's a less effective player than Kerfoot this season and we all know how most of this board feels about Kerfoot

Maybe they hit a home run and I'm wrong, I will admit it but if we had done this exact move I'd be seriously pissed off with our front office as well

I don't agree with paying a premium for a guy who doesn't deserve it

 

[Magic Man]

Kerfoot should theoretically pull 4x 1st rounders based on Jfresh’s tweets. Kerf blows him out of the water.

Colton - Paul - Jeannot

Engvall - Kampf - Kerfoot/Jarnkrok

Gonna need some extra Icy Hot.

Dubas or Brisbois?

 

[kb]

They are rolling the dice, it seems highly unlikely to me he's somebody that can shoot at 20% consistently, you have to be bloody good to do that with any consistency at all and that's what he did last season

His shooting percentage has normalized and he's doing bugger all, he's a less effective player than Kerfoot this season and we all know how most of this board feels about Kerfoot

Maybe they hit a home run and I'm wrong, I will admit it but if we had done this exact move I'd be seriously pissed off with our front office as well

I don't agree with paying a premium for a guy who doesn't deserve it

Thank you youtoob and hackeyfights for inflating Jeannot's value to where Tampa blew their load and will go downhill with no picks or prospects for the foreseeable future.

 

[rojac]

Any possibililty that the Leafs (or Bruins) were involved in the Jeannot bidding and drove up the price? If the Lightning identified Jeannot as a playoff difference maker (and I think the price they paid says they do), they may have overpaid to keep Toronto (or Boston) from getting him.

 

[Nooodles]

Yep, and he also takes tons of penalties. Not something you want to do against us or Boston.

Well, our PP is horrible in the PO.

 

[Smif]

I think 2 things are quite obvious from the Jeannot trade:

1. Tampa overpaid

2. They don’t care, as they are trying to win another cup and Jeannot makes their bottom 6 harder to play against.

They overpaid indeed. The best part about this is we knew they were going to make a move but they blew literally every asset they had left into this one player. They have no moves left. We still have plenty of assets left to upgrade further. I'm very happy about the TB trade they just made for our inevitable.head to heas matchup.

 

[Bomber0104]

They are rolling the dice, it seems highly unlikely to me he's somebody that can shoot at 20% consistently, you have to be bloody good to do that with any consistency at all and that's what he did last season

His shooting percentage has normalized and he's doing bugger all, he's a less effective player than Kerfoot this season and we all know how most of this board feels about Kerfoot

Maybe they hit a home run and I'm wrong, I will admit it but if we had done this exact move I'd be seriously pissed off with our front office as well

I don't agree with paying a premium for a guy who doesn't deserve it

Not willing to make a referendum on a player's career based on what's happened with a short-term rookie+sophomore season stay on one team.

Tampa's pro scouting obviously believes he's better suited to their team and has made an appraisal on it.

Last year Jeannot was thought to be the power-forward of the future and untouchable.

With a sophomore slump and a down year offensively overall as a team for Nashville, he became touchable and now here we are.

This is definitely going to be one of the more interesting moves to track as time goes on, and not just for this season/playoffs, but long-term after they re-sign him.

 

[kb]

Any possibililty that the Leafs (or Bruins) were involved in the Jeannot bidding and drove up the price? If the Lightning identified Jeannot as a playoff difference maker (and I think the price they paid says they do), they may have overpaid to keep Toronto (or Boston) from getting him.

That can be the only (ir)rational reason for paying that price.

No one is going to look at Tanner Jeannot and say.....hmmm, in a vacuum, he is completely worth a recent 1st (Foote), and a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounders.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Jeannot on our 4th line instead of Kerfoot would’ve been sexy. But rather use our assets somewhere else.

 

[Magic Man]

Luke we need you buddy.

 

[Bomber0104]

Any possibililty that the Leafs (or Bruins) were involved in the Jeannot bidding and drove up the price? If the Lightning identified Jeannot as a playoff difference maker (and I think the price they paid says they do), they may have overpaid to keep Toronto (or Boston) from getting him.

Toronto wouldn't have comparable assets to drive up the price.

I think we can assume the draft capital they would have offered has already been spent in the STL deal.

 

[cyris]

Luke we need you buddy.

We really don’t. He isn’t very good.

 

[6ix]

They overpaid indeed. The best part about this is we knew they were going to make a move but they blew literally every asset they had left into this one player. They have no moves left. We still have plenty of assets left to upgrade further. I'm very happy about the TB trade they just made for our inevitable.head to heas matchup.

They used all their ammo left to get a guy with 5 goals.

So while the leafs do have a lot of ammo left pick wise (if we dip into 2024 $ 2025), the market might have been shaken due to what Tampa paid.

It will be interesting to see what happens from here to the deadline.

 

[Kiwi]

Not willing to make a referendum on a player's career based on what's happened with a short-term rookie+sophomore season stay on one team.

Tampa's pro scouting obviously believes he's better suited to their team and has made an appraisal on it.

Last year Jeannot was thought to be the power-forward of the future and untouchable.

With a sophomore slump and a down year offensively overall as a team for Nashville, he became touchable and now here we are.

This is definitely going to be one of the more interesting moves to track as time goes on, and not just for this season/playoffs, but long-term after they re-sign him.

Unless he's an unbelievably good shooter, he's not going to roll along at 20%
That's what elite goal scorers do and I don't think anybody believes he's an elite goalscorer

Amazing how that untouchable power forward is now being traded, almost leads you to believe the Preds didn't buy into the hype and are getting out before there's a market correction on him

They may resign him, doesn't mean it's a good idea or trading all those assets for him was a good idea either

 

[Magic Man]

We really don’t. He isn’t very good.

This is our boy. Modern day Wendel. 2 cups and counting.

 

[Bomber0104]

Unless he's an unbelievably good shooter, he's not going to roll along at 20%
That's what elite goal scorers do and I don't think anybody believes he's an elite goalscorer

Amazing how that untouchable power forward is now being traded, almost leads you to believe the Preds didn't buy into the hype and are getting out before there's a market correction on him

They may resign him, doesn't mean it's a good idea or trading all those assets for him was a good idea either

An asset being underutilized on one team can be better utilized on another.

Nashville as a whole team aren't scoring, their best goalscorer has 19 goals through 57 games. The rest of team is falling very much in line with that dryness.

It's literally the exact time a GM will start opening up his list of untouchables and start entertaining moves that one year ago, wouldn't have happened. This would be one of them. I'm sure Tampa's scouts were taking cues from the Tolvanen trade as well..

And as much as everyone would like to have an opinion on it, a winner or loser of a trade isn't settled before a game has even been played.

Long-term assets were traded for a player who's likely to stay long-term as well. It's going to be a while before we can reach even close to a verdict on this one.

We simply don't know what's going to happen with this player on this new team. Prognostications are welcome but that's all they are ultimately.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

What would it take to get Tanev? He's not young anymore at 33 but is signed for one more year and, like Giordano, he can still log quality minutes, just not at large volume.

With Calgary out of it I wonder if they consider moving him. He won't bring the physicality we're looking for, but his steady game would look good next to any of our current LD.

 

[cyris]

This is our boy. Modern day Wendel. 2 cups and counting.

Played 1 game in the finals over 2 years……
Clearly he was integral 2 winning those 2 cups. Surprised he didn’t win the Smythe.

Brett Lebda played a much larger roll in the Redwings back to back cup runs than Schenn did for Tampa.

 

[Kiwi]

An asset being underutilized on one team can be better utilized on another.

Nashville as a whole team isn't scoring, their best goalscorer has 19 goals through 57 games. The rest of team is falling very much in line with that dryness.

It's literally the exact time a GM will start opening up his list of untouchables and start entertaining moves that one year ago, wouldn't have happened. This would be one of them.

And as much as everyone would like to have an opinion on it, a winner or loser of a trade isn't settled before a game has even been played.

Long-term assets were traded for a player who's likely to stay long-term as well. It's going to be a while before we can reach even close to a verdict on this one.

We simply don't know what's going to happen with this player on this new team. Prognostications are welcome but that's all they are ultimately.

Underutilized? He's not putting up big counting stats because his shooting percentage has normalized
We could put McMann with Matthews and Marner and he'd do ok to, want to overpay for that though?

They overpaid
He's not very good this season
Best of luck to them, glad it wasn't us that did it

 

[Kurtz]

If you told me 2 hours ago that TB are sending all of those picks to Nash, I would have assumed it was for Ekholm with retention.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I hope we go for whatever the best upgrade is we can get without trading Knies

 

[Bomber0104]

Underutilized? He's not putting up big counting stats because his shooting percentage has normalized
We could put McMann with Matthews and Marner and he'd do ok to, want to overpay for that though?

They overpaid
He's not very good this season
Best of luck to them, glad it wasn't us that did it

Yes, underutilized.

Tolvanen was traded away from the goal-dry Nashville Predators this year, a team he could barely find a steady place on, and immediately began scoring and becoming a key-player in Seattle's top-9.

That's likely something the pro-scouts picked up on when buying this player off Nashville as well. I mean, how couldn't you? It was plainly obvious...

Tampa will be expecting the same from Jeannot but instead of Seattle, he'll be going to a fully-assembled team that has every possible linemate for him to work with from line 1 to 4.

I'd bet on an up-tick and some reverse-"normalization" much in the same way how Tolvanen has nearly matched his career high in just 25 games with an expansion team.

 

[Magic Man]

Played 1 game in the finals over 2 years……
Clearly he was integral 2 winning those 2 cups. Surprised he didn’t win the Smythe.

Brett Lebda played a much larger roll in the Redwings back to back cup runs than Schenn did for Tampa.

Luke Schenn isn't on the Tampa Bay Lightning. Come back Luke.

 

[cyris]

Luke Schenn isn't on the Tampa Bay Lightning. Come back Luke.

Can’t skate, can’t defend, can’t do much of anything well but he he hits people.
He is a poor man’s Ben Charoit