Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[Stephen]

I'm speculating but one of the only top 3-4 d-man that might be had for a bargain is Parayko and that's because of the bad contract. For an asset stripped team like the leafs it might make more sense to take on a good player with a bad contract rather then get a good player on a good contract and be forced to give up Knies and more assets for the other options i.e Ekholm. Also when Parayko regains his form, you could flip him in a couple years for a better return vs 100 % losing assets on Jensen, Ekholm etc. Although this option has a lot of risk, it could pay off in a big way if the Blues consider dealing him.

Yeah but the problem with Parayko is length of the contract. So unless the Blues retained 50% for the duration of that deal, you could be living with Tyler Myers II till June 30, 2030 just because you saw something on discount.

 

[Magic Man]

Tanner Jeannot to Tampa.

Luke Schenn or Radko Gudas to Toronto. Let's do the shit.

 

[Stephen]

Though worth noting Hagels impact with the Bolts has been larger starting this season than it was during the playoffs last year. If he helps playing a major part of them getting back to the finals remains to be seen still

Though I don't disagree with the gist of what you're getting at - Bolts are in win now mode and absolutely should be dumping draft capital for pieces that help it.

For the price Tampa paid for Jeannot, who could be anything from the 2020s version of Wendel Clark to a guy who is *on pace* for a 7 goal season, they're not getting a lot of certainty. I like Jeannot a lot but imagine what their cup chances would have looked like if they made the O'Reilly deal.

 

[Stephen]

Tanner Jeannot to Tampa.

Luke Schenn or Radko Gudas to Toronto. Let's do the shit.

It's time.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yeah I'm going to go with not giving up a crap ton of assets for that guy

I'm amazed at how excited you lot get when the words "physical" and "gritty" get chucked around, he isn't that good

What was a better use of draft picks for Tampa to use on an RFA player they can re-sign for term?

In comparison, the Leafs acquired two rentals in exchange for a bundle of picks.

Should Tampa have spent that on rentals as well, and if so, what position do they need?

Can't be goalie, can't be defence, can't be centre's, they have all of those pieces already....

Again, I think a team with 3 Finals appearances and 2 Cups over three years can have some leeway to say, "Hey, I might know what I'm doing here!"

You disagree, clearly.

This is very interesting to me, when everyone here starts wagging their finger exclaiming "NO!" against a team that's clearly had so much more right then wrong over the years...

 

[PromisedLand]

There has to be more to the tampa/preds trade if not...

Either BriseBois has completely lost the plot or Trotz put a gun to his head and forced him to do this trade for when he gets to Nashville to be a GM

Have never seen such a lopsided trade in the history of NHL.

Tampa fans are losing their shit in their thread

 

[Puckstuff]

Yeah but the problem with Parayko is length of the contract. So unless the Blues retained 50% for the duration of that deal, you could be living with Tyler Myers II till June 30, 2030 just because you saw something on discount.

I don't see this as likely to be a Myers type of scenario. His struggles have been overplayed. He's still top D for the Blues and they rate him well. He's going against other teams top players every night, but no doubt his stock value is low and he hasn't been as dominant this year. If he was on a good contract the price would be Knies +. So I'm willing to eat the bad contract to get the player and not give up quality assets. Plus a shutdown RD is exactly what every team needs, including the leafs. So if he regains form you have a really good asset.

 

[kb]

A lot of leafs fans said the same thing when Hagel got traded

Turned out to be the player they thought they are getting

Tampa identifies a player and then goes for it

3 years in a row to Stanly Cups finals

Tannot will be a very good power forward. They lost nobody. They'll sign some free agents in place of those draft picks.

Which may or not pay out

Hagel doing absolutely nothing for them in the playoffs was a big factor in them losing. In that sense, the trade was a total fail.

If they don't win after the Hagel and Jeannot trades, both are massive, massive failures no matter how you look at it.

This is what they gave up for Hagel and Jeannot. If they don't win again, and continue their age related decline, which would you rather have going into a retool?

Tanner Jeannot
Brandon Hagel
2022 4th (Chicago)
2024 4th (Chicago)

or this:

Cal Foote (1st rounder)
Taylor Raddish (pacing for 35 points)
Boris Katchouk
2023 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th
2024 1st, 2nd
2025 1st

If Tampa as a win now team that makes these moves and doesn't win it all, it's time to rebuild/retool because are done. This was a desperate move, not a smart one. The Leafs getting ROR and Acciari forced this huge overpay. There is a solid case that can be made that Tampa arguably paid twice as much as the Leafs.

And I laugh every time I see a poster say that this was a trade made more for the Bruins than the Leafs....a pretty airtight case could have been made that the Leafs were better prior to the ROR and Acciari deal, and now suddenly Tampa getting Tanner Jeannot is singlehandedly going to be the reason why Tampa will beat the Leafs in the playoffs?

People who think Jeannot is going to have that sort of impact have no idea who Tanner Jeannot is outside of a few clips on hockeyfights......

 

[Phion Keneuf]

We’d probably have to toss in another first rounder if we made the ROR+Acciari trade now.

 

[Menzinger]

For the price Tampa paid for Jeannot, who could be anything from the 2020s version of Wendel Clark to a guy who is *on pace* for a 7 goal season, they're not getting a lot of certainty. I like Jeannot a lot but imagine what their cup chances would have looked like if they made the O'Reilly deal.

Yep. Just because a team has some picks to trade doesn't mean throwing them all at a 3/4th line guy is a smart move.

If Jeannot has a quite playoffs, it definitely opens Tampa up so some extra well deserved scrutiny about how else the draft picks could have been better spent.

Yes he's not a rental, but he's going to have to have more than a couple clutch moments on the way to a cup finals to help justify giving up more picks than he has goals this season to acquire

 

[Rubyblue]

What are the Leafs going to do in the playoffs still, when Marner etc. get manhandled? They'll get respect when shaking hands after they're 7th straight playoff exit.

 

[ULF_55]

Even NHL95 wasn't this silly ...

 

[TMLeafer]

Yep, and he also takes tons of penalties. Not something you want to do against us or Boston.

Or, more likely, they'll just stop penalizing him.

 

[Kiwi]

What was a better use of draft picks for Tampa to use on an RFA player they can re-sign for term?

In comparison, the Leafs acquired two rentals in exchange for a bundle of picks.

Should Tampa have spent that on rentals as well, and if so, what position do they need?

Can't be goalie, can't be defence, can't be centre's, they have all of those pieces already....

Again, I think a team with 3 Finals appearances and 2 Cups over three years can have some leeway to say, "Hey, I might know what I'm doing here!"

You disagree, clearly.

For a start he has to be good enough to be worth resigning, he's on pace for 7 goals this season, that isn't good and it's one hell of a risk giving him term now

We also got one massively superior player and another guy having a better season than Jeannot, good idea if winning is your strategy

What the hell are they doing giving that up for him? If your paying that much get a better player no matter what the position is

So a wing? Probably the easiest and cheapist position to fill, not for them though

Ah yes, the old appeal to authority, I'll use that the next time Dubas does something you don't like
I have a brain, I use it and if I don't like something I say so, it's not that complicated

I disagree with a lot of things front offices do, including ours and I'm not going to bull**** and pretend I like something when I don't

 

[TMLeafer]

What are the Leafs going to do in the playoffs still, when Marner etc. get manhandled? They'll get respect when shaking hands after they're 7th straight playoff exit.

Does adding a big bruiser on your 3rd/4th line help a guy on your first line not get manhandled?

I'm glad Dubas made a move before Tampa turned up the crazy on the pricing.

 

[D00bis]

Huge price for TJ, Tampa is even harder to play against now but let’s see how the trade deadline shapes up. There’s work to be done our third line has zero identity at the moment hopefully they will be fixed since they saw the immediate change in the fourth line when Accari came over.

 

[Kurtz]

What was a better use of draft picks for Tampa to use on an RFA player they can re-sign for term?

In comparison, the Leafs acquired two rentals in exchange for a bundle of picks.

Should Tampa have spent that on rentals as well, and if so, what position do they need?

Can't be goalie, can't be defence, can't be centre's, they have all of those pieces already....

Again, I think a team with 3 Finals appearances and 2 Cups over three years can have some leeway to say, "Hey, I might know what I'm doing here!"

You disagree, clearly.

This is very interesting to me, when everyone here starts wagging their finger exclaiming "NO!" against a team that's clearly had so much more right then wrong over the years...

I'm not convinced that ROR and Acciari are rentals. And Jeannot won't be cheap to resign, he's gained a lot of leverage with the return TB paid. They can't afford not to pay him now.

 

[kb]

He's got talent, give the kid an opportunity and give him somebody to work with
I think we may be surprised at what he's able to do

That's where I am at too. Unless it's a real upgrade at a price that makes sense, why bother making any bottom 6 deals. I scoured most teams, and all I see is overpriced meh. McMann hit at least 2 posts, and was often a force when he was on the ice. His play tailed off a bit, but I will take the upside he is showing as a late more toolsy, less physical Jeannot. Having said that, he's a load and from time to time was giving the other team's D fits.

Bold prediction. McMann will have a Jeannot like breakout, but will be a more solid all round player.

 

[Fogelhund]

Tanev would be a sneaky good target if Calgary does a tinker. I question his durability though. McCabe would be my next favourite. Murphy is just Holl to me. The rest are just average or garbage or just not available.

I also really like Fabbro but the price will be enormous.

Ekholm would be at the top of my list here, and actually available per rumours.

Apparently Tanev is not available, but Weegar is.

I appreciate the thoughts on McCabe vs. Murphy, and your comment isn't incorrect. But, Murphy is a natural RD, who has good size, and is pretty physical. Our need is RD.. and while McCabe might have the capacity to play the right side, he primarily plays the left. His numbers look better than Murphy's this year... but McCabe has played with Jones, while Murphy has been with Jack Johnson the most, and Tinordi next... so it's pretty hard to look good with those boat anchors. Murphy's results defensively, have been far superior beside Johnson, than when Jones has played with him. He's just an excellent defensive guy, who probably is good partner for Rielly.. and we finally get a gut to let Mo be Mo. McCabe isn't the best skater, and has also been fairly injury prone.

I mean you and I could compromise... and send Chicago Sandin, Holl, Kerfoot, 1st..and prospects not named Knies.... for McCabe @ 50%, Murphy and Lafferty... Chicago is willing to withhold 50% on McCabe, and we aren't on his no trade list.

I mean...

Rielly Murphy
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Brodie
Timmins

That's pretty elite.

 

[kb]

I'm not convinced that ROR and Acciari are rentals. And Jeannot won't be cheap to resign, he's gained a lot of leverage with the return TB paid. They can't afford not to pay him now.

But here's the conundrum....they also can't afford to pay him either. They are at $80.3 million with only 7 forwards signed next season. Yes they have the Seabrook LTIR, but....someone may have to be traded out for less than market value because they now need to sign Jeannot. That's occasionally the hidden unintended cost of a trade that mostly gets overlooked.

 

[Magic Man]

Schenn or Gudas at minimum to combat Jeannot, Perry and Maroon.

Lafferty wouldn't hurt either. Lafferty, Acciari and Knies in the playoff lineup. Yup, let's go.

 

[Bomber0104]

For a start he has to be good enough to be worth resigning, he's on pace for 7 goals this season, that isn't good and it's one hell of a risk giving him term now

We also got one massively superior player and another guy having a better season than Jeannot, good idea if winning is your strategy

What the hell are they doing giving that up for him? If your paying that much get a better player no matter what the position is

So a wing? Probably the easiest and cheapist position to fill, not for them though

Ah yes, the old appeal to authority, I'll use that the next time Dubas does something you don't like
I have a brain, I use it and if I don't like something I say so, it's not that complicated

I disagree with a lot of things front offices do, including ours and I'm not going to bull**** and pretend I like something when I don't

Ok I've got your full views on this. Thanks.

Nashville is having a system-wide scoring issue. Anyone with a fantasy hockey team should know that much. Sorry for you Forsberg and Saros owners out there, tough times...

What it looks like to me is Tampa preying on a team at a low point, attempting to buy low on a 2nd year player amidst a team that's not clicking, and putting him directly onto a fully-assembled team and line that most-assuredly, will click with him on it.

Tampa's pro scouting has been, shall we say, probably amongst the best over the past 5+ years...

We're seeing them in action again with this trade.

You hate it though, that's definitely an opinion, and we'll see what happens.

 

[kb]

There has to be more to the tampa/preds trade if not...

Either BriseBois has completely lost the plot or Trotz put a gun to his head and forced him to do this trade for when he gets to Nashville to be a GM

Have never seen such a lopsided trade in the history of NHL.

Tampa fans are losing their shit in their thread

They are right.....you are right.....we all are right!

Last gasp desperation trade forced by the Leafs making the early move for ROR and Acciari, who they got for about half the price Tampa paid for TJ. lol

Apparently Tanev is not available, but Weegar is.

I appreciate the thoughts on McCabe vs. Murphy, and your comment isn't incorrect. But, Murphy is a natural RD, who has good size, and is pretty physical. Our need is RD.. and while McCabe might have the capacity to play the right side, he primarily plays the left. His numbers look better than Murphy's this year... but McCabe has played with Jones, while Murphy has been with Jack Johnson the most, and Tinordi next... so it's pretty hard to look good with those boat anchors. Murphy's results defensively, have been far superior beside Johnson, than when Jones has played with him. He's just an excellent defensive guy, who probably is good partner for Rielly.. and we finally get a gut to let Mo be Mo. McCabe isn't the best skater, and has also been fairly injury prone.

I mean you and I could compromise... and send Chicago Sandin, Holl, Kerfoot, 1st..and prospects not named Knies.... for McCabe @ 50%, Murphy and Lafferty... Chicago is willing to withhold 50% on McCabe, and we aren't on his no trade list.

I mean...

Rielly Murphy
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Brodie
Timmins

That's pretty elite.

I would normally agree, but wow did Murphy get turnstiled by the Leafs even in the game they won. If Holl had played like he did.....we'd never hear the end of it.

 

[Stephen]

Yep. Just because a team has some picks to trade doesn't mean throwing them all at a 3/4th line guy is a smart move.

If Jeannot has a quite playoffs, it definitely opens Tampa up so some extra well deserved scrutiny about how else the draft picks could have been better spent.

Yes he's not a rental, but he's going to have to have more than a couple clutch moments on the way to a cup finals to help justify giving up more picks than he has goals this season to acquire

It looks like he's the designated Alex Killorn replacement. Next year the Sergachev, Cernak and Cirelli raises come online and it's going to be a world of hurt.

 

[6ix]

I think 2 things are quite obvious from the Jeannot trade:

1. Tampa overpaid

2. They don’t care, as they are trying to win another cup and Jeannot makes their bottom 6 harder to play against.