Trades and Free Agency - 2022/2023 Trade Deadline Edition

[SprDaVE]

I agree with most that it's an insane price to pay... but it does do the 1 thing that is vitally important in the playoffs -- make them difficult to play against.

The thing that irritates me about this trade... it just goes to show that Tampa is in tune with what it takes to win a cup.... making sure that if you're going to give up one of your 12 lineup spots, that the player is out there to "drive something".

Meanwhile, we still have Kerfoot & Engvall who are kind of just "there", maybe even Kampf to a lesser extent.

What about Namestnikov and Bellemare? Pretty sure they are in the same definition as "there".

 

[Menzinger]

It's going to be pretty funny when Acciari actually has the playoffs series performance that folks are predicting for Jeannot....

 

[kb]

I am not going to pretend to watch Preds, bc I don’t but from some of the comments here, it seems like Jeannot is Lindros 2.0. Is he really that good?

He's got 5 G and 9 A playing 15 minutes a night.

He is tied for 411th in the NHL in points with the corpse of Milan Lucic.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Honestly, I wasn't a massive advocate for Luke Schenn on the leafs this whole time but with Jeannot now going to Tampa....I think it's imperative the Leafs add someone like Schenn to handle some of that heavy Tampa forecheck thats going to be coming

I'm already worried for Rielly and Brodie's health

As it stands we have 3 defenseman who are often deer in headlights when it comes to a heavy forecheck. One guy who is nearly 40, Liljegren and whatever Holl is.

We drastically need someone who can handle that on the back end. And preferably they have terrible fancy stats, because they're the guys that just plug along in the playoffs.

 

[OVO16]

What about Namestnikov and Bellemare? Pretty sure they are in the same definition as "there".

One of them is coming out of the lineup for Jeannot it looks like.

The price is still bat-shit crazy to me but the philosophical difference between Dubas/Brisebois is crazy to me. Tampa had no need for Jeannot when they had guys like Paul, Maroon, Perry, Hagel and Cirelli anyways. Heck, even Ross Colton plays with an edge.

But they still decided to get him anyway. The culture is vastly different

 

[Bomber0104]

As it stands we have 3 defenseman who are often deer in headlights when it comes to a heavy forecheck. One guy who is nearly 40, Liljegren and whatever Holl is.

We drastically need someone who can handle that on the back end. And preferably they have terrible fancy stats, because they're the guys that just plug along in the playoffs.

Yup. the need is getting almost paramount.

Blue line is going to get absolutely tenderized and exploited and if it's not Tampa it'll be Boston. Their moves are being done with clear intent at this point.

There's major hurdles in the East and our blue-line simply is too squeamish for it.

 

[SprDaVE]

As it stands we have 3 defenseman who are often deer in headlights when it comes to a heavy forecheck. One guy who is nearly 40, Liljegren and whatever Holl is.

We drastically need someone who can handle that on the back end. And preferably they have terrible fancy stats, because they're the guys that just plug along in the playoffs.

You probably could get Gudbranson and Ristolainen for cheap. Those guys have some of the worst "fancy stats" you can find, but they are huge.

 

[kb]

Tampa is going to be a PITA to play against .. If the Leafs roll their 3 centres as they should, ROR and Acciari help mitigate that physicality. ZAR also brings physicality as well and hustle.

Kampf can hold his own .. That's 4 of your bottom 6 capable of playing that game.

Knies and McMann.

Boom. Profit.

 

[Fogelhund]

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So Nashville got their replacement already?

 

[Morgs]

There at 57 players with a higher shooting % then Ovie this season. That means nothing.

Shooting 15%, which is the low end of his professional career, is doable.

It isn’t outrageous by any stretch to suggest he is closer to that then 5.7%… which is the real outlier here.

You look at his career numbers in every league besides essentially a 2 year heater betwen 2020-22 and nobody would bat an eye about him without the physicality. He managed to pull himself from nothing to being a decent enough bottom-6 player (who's production was the only reason he was good, because the analytics are poo), but you're essentially saying this guy with extremely limited talent, who has quite literally been on a shooting heater for 2 years is more likely to keep up the heater rather than regress to where someone of his talent level likely is. Which is probably a hell of a lot closer to where he is today.

People are obsessed with his physicality and production, and blinded by the fact he's a bad hockey player. I'd wish him the best and hope he succeeds, but f*** Tampa.

 

[TheDoldrums]

We drastically need someone who can handle that on the back end. And preferably they have terrible fancy stats, because they're the guys that just plug along in the playoffs.

targeting bad players to own the nerds

 

[All Mod Cons]

You probably could get Gudbranson and Ristolainen for cheap. Those guys have some of the worst fancy stats you can find, but they are huge.

Nope. They're not good at anything. Terrible contracts and players. About as useful as a team full or Bracco's.

Give me some more.

 

[OVO16]

You probably could get Gudbranson and Ristolainen for cheap. Those guys have some of the worst "fancy stats" you can find, but they are huge.

Gubrandson and Ristolainen are garbage. Schenn is better than both.

Gudas would be even better

 

[Menzinger]

I mean this year Hagel’s been great.. but last year he had 7 points in 22 regular season games and 6 points in 23 playoff games.. so if winning is the name of the game it hasn’t been worth it yet. But he can redeem himself this year.

Thats what's so funny to me about folks using Hagel as this grand example of the Bolts making the right moves for the playoffs - he was actually a big of a dud last postseason given the hype about him.

What's made the deal for him look better has been his regular season performance this year.

Leafs likely with 1 more move to make still. By the end will have likely brought in between whatever that is + the ROR trade, and will have made more of an impact to the teams chances than Tampa just did with spending their capital on 1 player to be a 4th/3rd line tweener.

 

[SprDaVE]

Nope. They're not good at anything. Terrible contracts and players. About as useful as a team full or Bracco's.

Give me some more.

I gave you 2 terrible "fancy stat" players that are physical. Should be good to go. If not them... who?

 

[OVO16]

Tampa's defense is big and gritty too. Cernak-Sergachev-Bogosian-Cole.

 

[SprDaVE]

Gubrandson and Ristolainen are garbage. Schenn is better than both.

Gudas would be even better

Gudas? Sign me up. He's not garbage at all. He's just bad, but not garbage at least.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I gave you 2 terrible "fancy stat" players that are physical. Should be good to go. If not them... who?

Do you ever deal in the non-extremes?

Or is it just completely one end of the spectrum to the other? Very hard to converse when someone is like that.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Morgs]

I agree with most that it's an insane price to pay... but it does do the 1 thing that is vitally important in the playoffs -- make them difficult to play against.

The thing that irritates me about this trade... it just goes to show that Tampa is in tune with what it takes to win a cup.... making sure that if you're going to give up one of your 12 lineup spots, that the player is out there to "drive something".

Meanwhile, we still have Kerfoot & Engvall who are kind of just "there", maybe even Kampf to a lesser extent.

This is ridiculous. Players would prefer to play against a guy like Jeannot because he's bad. It's as simple as that. Physicality doesn't win series and being obsessed with pointless physical players is asking for your GM to waste your entire future stock of draft picks for Deslauriers on a heater.

Meanwhile both Kerfoot and especially Engvall are twice the players, and significantly harder to play against because a) they're extremely strong defensive players, and b) they both produce more.

 

[Fogelhund]

Nope. They're not good at anything. Terrible contracts and players. About as useful as a team full or Bracco's.

Give me some more.

That's the problem with Schenn too... it's all good that he's physical, and could take a check, but he can't move the puck worth a crap. Then you have a guy who could take a check, and are stuck in your own zone. Of the guys who's names have come up, people like Murphy, Jensen, Weegar are the names I'd be trying to get. Physical guys, who can handle their own, but who are actually upgrades at hockey too.

 

[SprDaVE]

Do you ever deal in the non-extremes?

Or is it just completely one end of the spectrum to the other? Very hard to converse when someone is like that.

You asked for players with "preferably they have terrible fancy stats". Maybe bring up an example of players so that we can discuss these good players with terrible "fancy stats" that can absorb the best forechecking team in the NHL? I don't know what you want.

 

[DcW]

One of them is coming out of the lineup for Jeannot it looks like.

The price is still bat-shit crazy to me but the philosophical difference between Dubas/Brisebois is crazy to me. Tampa had no need for Jeannot when they had guys like Paul, Maroon, Perry, Hagel and Cirelli anyways. Heck, even Ross Colton plays with an edge.

But they still decided to get him anyway. The culture is vastly different

Bang on. That culture is winning

 

[Cor]

Gubrandson and Ristolainen are garbage. Schenn is better than both.

Gudas would be even better

Schenn’s “fancy stats” on the defensive side grade out well. Gudas does as well.

“Fancy stats” are just stats. They tell a story if you know how to read the book.

 

[All Mod Cons]

You asked for players with "preferably they have terrible fancy stats". Maybe bring up an examples of players so that we can discuss these good players with terrible "fancy stats" that can absorb the best forechecking team in the NHL? I don't know what you want.

Do you promise not to say that I 100% guaranteed the next 3 cups if we trade for one of these guys? Or that I think x player is better than Bobby Orr?